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Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
lol the racism was a feature, not a bug
https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1174162431146373120?s=20

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

It's way too late to pretend you don't have a liberal bias after Mueller Christmas.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

quote:

Gillis’ comments have drawn mixed reactions from the comedy community. People like Jimmy O. Yang and W. Kamau Bell have publicly condemned him, while David Spade, Bill Burr, and Jim Jefferies defended him during a panel on Spade’s Comedy Central late-night series on Monday night.

lol

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

just spitballing here but if they want to be seen as less liberal making fun of democrats would seem like a better way of doing that than hiring a guy who makes chink jokes

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
reducing shane gillis' comedic career to "guy that makes chink" jokes is such a simplistic badfaith argument. matt and shane mock people from all walks of life, not just chinks. smdh

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

SNL sucks, but gently caress that chud and gently caress Lorne Michaels

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

alec baldwins corpulent and generally hideous trump probably wouldnt have stood out that much if they hadnt cast hillary as an attractive woman half the real hillarys age and then proceeded to treat her so sympathetically that we got this weird as hell moment after the election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG-_ZDrypec

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
remember that one 2008 SNL skit where the whole point was "the media was BIASED... [dramatic pause] against hillary" and then all the pundits in the media started wanking off to it for a week or so?

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

nobody came out of this looking good, especially not the snitch who not only is painfully unfunny but advocates for a "comedy union." i guess he's a union guy as much as cops are

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

yang promised to reach out to shane gillis gotta wonder if hes rethinking this beer summit idea since its the thing most likely to piss of his base of asian american liberals

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1173713011174977543?p=v

Serf
May 5, 2011


Some Guy TT posted:

yang promised to reach out to shane gillis gotta wonder if hes rethinking this beer summit idea since its the thing most likely to piss of his base of asian american liberals

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1173713011174977543?p=v

yang doesn't have a base. he has fans. he's not a serious candidate, just a guy looking to stroke his ego and get some name recognition for whatever his next big venture is

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Sarah Silverman, Who Did Blackface, Doesn’t Think You Should ‘Cancel’ People

quote:

With these incidents in mind, the comments she made Monday to the Los Angeles Times about the 2019 climate surrounding comedy didn't come as a huge shock. She told the publication, "I also think it’s interesting what’s happened on the left. It’s almost like there’s a mutated McCarthy era, where any comic better watch anything they say." She brings up criticism of Dave Chappelle's latest special as an example of this mutated McCarthy era. (During the actual McCarthy era, hundreds were imprisoned and thousands lost their jobs as a result of investigations carried out by the House Un-American Activities Committee. Chappelle is a highly successful comedian with lucrative Netflix specials and sold-out tours, who is receiving the John F. Kennedy Center's Mark Twain Prize for American Humor in October.)

Silverman continues, "I’ve said it before, there’s this kind of 'righteousness porn' going on with canceling people over their past, a thing they said or a moment they had, with no earnest hope that they may be changed." (Silverman, who has been at the center of this kind of criticism multiple times throughout her career, has just received an Emmy nomination in the variety sketch category for her recent Hulu series I Love You, America.)

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

the blackface in question is from an episode of The Sarah Silverman Program where she makes a bet with a black guy about who has it worse in society: black people or Jews. so to walk a mile in his shoes, she walks around in blackface, which, as you might expect, causes people to get mad at her. at the end of the episode you find out that the black guy is walking around as a Jewish caricature. it was a funny, if crude, take on race relations

but this is Vice, where context and the basic concepts of comedy don't matter because they have to find a problem with everything. i guess they'd rather watch a program like Insecure that spells poo poo out for them like the children they are

get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 16:00 on Sep 18, 2019

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Serf posted:

yang doesn't have a base. he has fans. he's not a serious candidate, just a guy looking to stroke his ego and get some name recognition for whatever his next big venture is

and yet hes consistently polling at or above the level of any candidate outside the big three

not disagreeing with you by the way i just think thats really funny

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
I'm on Team "Sarah Silverman sucks".

I pretty much hate most comedians who simultaneously whine about the PC police and brand themselves members of the McResistance.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Echo Chamber posted:

I'm on Team "Sarah Silverman sucks".

I pretty much hate most comedians who simultaneously whine about the PC police and brand themselves members of the McResistance.
no doubt that she's been doing the same political comedy grift as Amy Schumer and Chelsea Handler over the past few years and she sucks for that. but she doesn't suck because some professional scold on Vice took a picture completely out of context. this is the perfect description of such people:
https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1153828637470162945

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

weird to think that in the old days comics used to be worried about selling out

now its what if people get mad at my edgy uniqueness and prevent me from selling out

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Some Guy TT posted:

weird to think that in the old days comics used to be worried about selling out

now its what if people get mad at my edgy uniqueness and prevent me from selling out
gen x had a better view of creativity than millennials do, it's just that they come off as assholes when they defend it

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

I really think the Bush and Obama years have really given comedians an inflated sense of the "worth of comedy" and they need to shut the gently caress up about "PC Culture ruining comedy" one heard that line my whole life. The only thinking ruining comedy is the self important view of it and the dignation that comedy millionaires get when their bits from 2004 haven't aged well.


Though a comedy union is a good idea, they are majorly exploited by club owners, especially the unsuccessful ones, or the guys that will never hit it big

KomradeX has issued a correction as of 16:54 on Sep 18, 2019

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Echo Chamber posted:

I'm on Team "Sarah Silverman sucks".

I pretty much hate most comedians who simultaneously whine about the PC police and brand themselves members of the McResistance.

Remember her yelling at the Bernie people at the DNC in 2016?

I sure do

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

KomradeX posted:

I really think the Bush and Obama years have really given comedians an inflated sense of the "worth of comedy" and they need to shut the gently caress up about "PC Culture ruining comedy" one heard that line my whole life. The only thinking ruining comedy is the self important view of it and the dignation that comedy millionaires get when their bits from 2004 handset agreed well.
i can get on board with this. also: comedy is being viewed from the same lens as it was after Jon Stewart went on Crossfire in 2004. back then it worked because we were in a post-9/11 society where people were too afraid to say anything contrary to the George W Bush line, so it was a breath of fresh air to see a smartass tell pundits that they're full of poo poo. it's brutally obvious that it hasn't worked in a while

get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 16:34 on Sep 18, 2019

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

get that OUT of my face posted:

i can get on board with this. also: comedy is being viewed from the same lens as it was after Jon Stewart went on Crossfire in 2004. back then it worked because we were in a post-9/11 society where people were too afraid to say anything contrary to the George W Bush line, so it was a breath of fresh air to see a smartass tell pundits that they're full of poo poo. it's brutally obvious that it hasn't worked in a while

And they'll never let that go of that because Jon Stewart shaming Crossfire off the air was the high water mark of Stand up Comedy. I actually think the era of stand up comedy is over, not because of "PC culture liberals" but just the amount of ways people can get comedy, from YouTube to podcasts I thunk is changing it. Hell stand up comedy as it is now is little more than an off shoot of part of a Vaudeville show that started to come into its own in the 1950s and didn't hit big until the Boom years of the 1980s and 90s. The "profession" is either going to die out or just get reabsorbed into being part of other entertainment

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

KomradeX posted:

And they'll never let that go of that because Jon Stewart shaming Crossfire off the air was the high water mark of Stand up Comedy. I actually think the era of stand up comedy is over, not because of "PC culture liberals" but just the amount of ways people can get comedy, from YouTube to podcasts I thunk is changing it. Hell stand up comedy as it is now is little more than an off shoot of part of a Vaudeville show that started to come into its own in the 1950s and didn't hit big until the Boom years of the 1980s and 90s. The "profession" is either going to die out or just get reabsorbed into being part of other entertainment
i'd argue that's kind of happened to some extent. what is late night tv if not a bunch of people trying (and failing) to imitate prime Jon Stewart?

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

get that OUT of my face posted:

the blackface in question is from an episode of The Sarah Silverman Program where she makes a bet with a black guy about who has it worse in society: black people or Jews. so to walk a mile in his shoes, she walks around in blackface, which, as you might expect, causes people to get mad at her. at the end of the episode you find out that the black guy is walking around as a Jewish caricature. it was a funny, if crude, take on race relations

but this is Vice, where context and the basic concepts of comedy don't matter because they have to find a problem with everything. i guess they'd rather watch a program like Insecure that spells poo poo out for them like the children they are

wait this is the skit people are defending? Jesus Christ People made it out to some harmless look at race relations.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

get that OUT of my face posted:

i'd argue that's kind of happened to some extent. what is late night tv if not a bunch of people trying (and failing) to imitate prime Jon Stewart?

It's definitely well on the way ro happening but I think moving forward having a or being just a stand up guy will be less and less important

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

CharlestheHammer posted:

wait this is the skit people are defending? Jesus Christ People made it out to some harmless look at race relations.

hey dude a word of warning: avoid season 3 of 30 rock. just trust me

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

CharlestheHammer posted:

wait this is the skit people are defending? Jesus Christ People made it out to some harmless look at race relations.
in the proper context of the episode, it's making a point about society and makes her character out to be an acceptable "punching up" target- two things that self-styled comedy critics want in their comedy over actual laughs. it was just done in the style of her comedy act at the time, before she decided she'd become just another political commentator

get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 20:09 on Sep 18, 2019

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

https://twitter.com/saraghaleb/status/935045802078101504?s=21

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo

Jenny Agutter posted:

hey dude a word of warning: avoid season 3 of 30 rock. just trust me
Fixed.

Watching 30 Rock is just watching liberals in the entertainment industry with jobs thousands of others would kill for ventilate the tensions of mass media by laughing all the bad stuff off.

tinafeysheetcake.jpg

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Jenny Agutter posted:

hey dude a word of warning: avoid season 3 of 30 rock. just trust me

why would I watch any season of 30 rock

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.

CharlestheHammer posted:

why would I watch any season of 30 rock

Because it’s funny

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
comedy is subjective

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

Echo Chamber posted:

Fixed.

Watching 30 Rock is just watching liberals in the entertainment industry with jobs thousands of others would kill for ventilate the tensions of mass media by laughing all the bad stuff off.

tinafeysheetcake.jpg

yeah it was really funny. but now I'm imagining someone getting really mad at the the Tracy Morgan meat machine episode like, how can they just joke about celebrity endorsements? George foreman obviously didn't invent the grill, it's all bullshit, liberals are the most useless people on the planet, etc etc

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk


so as a point of comparison, i happened to see the original rocky last week (which i hadn't watched in some years) and the scene where he goes on a date with adriene and coerces her into his apartment and forces himself onto her was massively uncomfortable to watch. it's definitely not something that should have been glorified when it was new, but obviously social norms were different and it was more socially acceptable to be a creepy predator towards women back then.

is 30 rock bad like that, where there's genuinely objectionable stuff in it that shouldn't have been cool even when it was new, or is it more cringeworthy retrospection where knowing what we know now about the world, the show wasn't half as clever and subversive as it appeared to be? i feel like 30 rock and parks & rec are both the same kind of vapid obama-era liberal fantasy world, but if there's really lovely stuff in there that everybody just ignored before that could certainly change my opinion on it.

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
Alec Baldwin's character is basically "an rear end in a top hat, but our charismatic, corporate rear end in a top hat" for the whole show, right?

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk


Echo Chamber posted:

Alec Baldwin's character is basically "an rear end in a top hat, but our charismatic, corporate rear end in a top hat" for the whole show, right?

not only that, he is genuinely involved in tina fey's character's career, attempts to provide her with good advice and guidance, never makes sexual advances towards her, treats her more-or-less as an equal

it's sad that his character is a complete fiction, because he's written as the ideal way a manager should treat a subordinate

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Echo Chamber posted:

Alec Baldwin's character is basically "an rear end in a top hat, but our charismatic, corporate rear end in a top hat" for the whole show, right?

he's a satirical caricature of a republican executive only without the sexual harassment

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
from what I saw he also kind of means well which muddies it a bit

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Its how you know liberals wrote the show, it has a likable Republican in it

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

CharlestheHammer posted:

from what I saw he also kind of means well which muddies it a bit

it's been a while but iirc at the beginning he's consistently shown as caring only about making money by rising through the corporate ranks but over the course of the show grows to care more about the people in his life instead of that, to the point that late in the show he has a daydream where a version of him from an alternate timeline busts in to yell at him about how he isn't making enough money because he's gone soft

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