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drainpipe
May 17, 2004

AAHHHHHHH!!!!
Yeah, giving everyone unlimited shots at a copy of every card would be insane.

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Mr. Meagles
Apr 30, 2004

Out here, everything hurts


they're throwing poo poo at the wall and I don't know where Wizards can go from there. In terms of throwing idea turds at walls and seeing what sticks

i want to punch them but i'm also gonna win all those cards no matter what it takes, possibly out of spite. so they managed to succeed and fail in one fell swoop

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal

Jabor posted:

You need to go 12-1 (or 12-0) to get a copy of every card.

Even if you had an absurd 80% average winrate in the format, the odds of getting there are not in your favour.

Yeah it's very much a free lotto ticket. You shouldn't be salty because you didn't get the big prize since that requires both being a good player and a shitload of luck (it's probably gonna be bo1 only so doubly so on the luck). It's gonna be like the mythic qualifier thing where you can only enter once.

A Moose
Oct 22, 2009



So, what is golgari doing for the 2-drop and 3-drop slots without explore? With Garruk and non-human synergy and the skeleton knight that recurs itself, seems like a grindy golgari midrange deck is still ok

Funkdreamer
Jul 15, 2005

It'll be a blast


Interesting, cube draft and deck sharing are in the works

kater
Nov 16, 2010

2-3 drops is where the mana dorks live now so without an alternative probably that.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

set seems really strong at limited

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
I'm going to miss you Llanowar Elf. Come back soon, little buddy.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Jabor posted:

My read is that you only get to play the event once.

I guess you could farm up a single rare ICR on a bunch of different smurf accounts, but you're really not achieving anything.

There are 2 identical events with one significant difference - the second version has the prize. The first event just lets you test out whatever decks you want and (ostensibly) figure out what other people are playing. It'll require a ton of luck to get to 12 wins, as was said, but hey, it's free and you don't have to use any WCs to do it. All it costs is time. It also helps people plan their WC spend, which I think is a big part of this - I get the feeling a lot of people have been saving up WCs for rotation to hit the ground running and they want to encourage players to use those.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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CUBE DRAFT

holy poo poo that would be amazing

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
New Mastery pet is far superior to dumb fire cat.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Brawl being once a week is probably something they should have mentioned sooner:

"And if you're looking for a reason to try out our new Friends List, October will also bring Constructed Brawl to MTG Arena. For those of you who participated in the Eldraine Courtside Brawl earlier this month, that was just a taste of what's to come! October will bring a reason to brew, bake, and amuse-bouche this format with the ability to build your own decks for play in our once-per-week Brawl events or all the time in Direct Challenge matches."

Man they REALLY don't want people playing outside of the normal standard queues.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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CapnAndy posted:

New Mastery pet is far superior to dumb fire cat.


Realtalk it's these pets that have convinced me to get these passes on launch instead of calculating whether or not to wait

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
You'd have to be crazy not to get the new mastery pass!


Crazy like a fox!

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

I wish the elemental cat had a radial function for color change or at least randomly set a color instead of defaulting to red.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



I'm not seeing anything particularly nuts in this deck for constructed. Some expensive combos for sure, Fires of Invention + Escape to the Wilds looks doable in particular (along with any other Gruul or otherwise cards that let you play from exile instead of casting - Experimental Frenzy maybe?) Depends on how they rule cast vs. play, if they're interchangeable then it doesn't matter.

Oceanbound
Jan 19, 2008

Time to let the dead be dead.
The Eldraine mastery pass pet and sleeve are so much better than M20's

drainpipe
May 17, 2004

AAHHHHHHH!!!!
Got to level 100 with today's code, so I finally bought the mastery pass. Now I'm sitting on

20 packs from mastery pass
3400 gems (for the next mastery pass assume they don't change pricing)
48k gold
20 rare WC
12 mythic WC

I think I'm ready for rotation. I'll open those 20 packs I got after I get the NPE stuff and the 10 rare ICR from renewal to take advantage of any duplicate protection.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Shooting Blanks posted:

I'm not seeing anything particularly nuts in this deck for constructed. Some expensive combos for sure, Fires of Invention + Escape to the Wilds looks doable in particular (along with any other Gruul or otherwise cards that let you play from exile instead of casting - Experimental Frenzy maybe?) Depends on how they rule cast vs. play, if they're interchangeable then it doesn't matter.

Izzet Phoenix can probably use some of: Winged Words (From M20), Improbable Alliance, Brazen Borrower (iffy, but incredible value from one card, Royal Scions, instant Voices, maaaaybe Loch Dragon and maybe Hakurei Reimu. Also Opt, of course.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames

A Moose posted:

So, what is golgari doing for the 2-drop and 3-drop slots without explore? With Garruk and non-human synergy and the skeleton knight that recurs itself, seems like a grindy golgari midrange deck is still ok

Yarok is just a better version of that deck and Leafkin Dryad and Risen Reef fill those slots. I haven't cast an explore creature in standard in over a month.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Hey Jabor, you were right, Food is never a creature type.

Eej posted:

Izzet Phoenix can probably use some of: Winged Words (From M20), Improbable Alliance, Brazen Borrower (iffy, but incredible value from one card, Royal Scions, instant Voices, maaaaybe Loch Dragon and maybe Hakurei Reimu. Also Opt, of course.
Or maybe just shift to being "2nd draw" deck and lightning bolt your opponent every turn while fairies run rampant.

Unless you said that and Hakurei Reimu is a reference I didn't get.

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

CapnAndy posted:

New Mastery pet is far superior to dumb fire cat.

Yep dumb fire cat is dead to me, long live Crystal Fox which also sounds like a porn star

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
i just had a game where I drew an island, a dimir guildgate, 3 thought erasures, vraska's contempt and wizard's retort

poor other player :(

it did not go well for them (w/u high alert) but to their credit, they didnt concede after 3 TE, only after I Vraska'd their Teferi and then played 2 the eldest reborns

Oceanbound
Jan 19, 2008

Time to let the dead be dead.

Spiderdrake posted:

Hey Jabor, you were right, Food is never a creature type.
Or maybe just shift to being "2nd draw" deck and lightning bolt your opponent every turn while fairies run rampant.

Unless you said that and Hakurei Reimu is a reference I didn't get.

Reimu is Irencrag Pyromancer yes

Rhaegar
Jul 16, 2006
5 free levels after people have been grinding out the standard event for two weeks feels a bit tone deaf. I'm sitting at 99.5 levels at the moment so it's no benefit to me.

Otherwise I'm pretty happy with the state of Arena right now.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
whats the history behind when dual lands are released during blocks? It kind of makes more sense to release them in sets 2 and 3 of each block like they're doing this year so that you end up with three metas that are more likely to have distinct dominant colors.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Rhaegar posted:

5 free levels after people have been grinding out the standard event for two weeks feels a bit tone deaf.
The idea of the mastery pass is two competing narratives. That you want everyone to finish enough that they buy it, and that you want everyone to feel like they won't finish it so FOMO kicks in. But you want the latter to push people at the start, but you don't want people at the end to feel like it was Wotc's fault for not finishing it. Everything is entirely about balancing those two impulses.

So with that in mind, the people annoyed they ground out the last few levels are (in theory) outnumbered by people the 5 level code will convert to paid mastery pass and/or make them look generous so players don't blame the developers for (the player) not finishing. Basically they don't care about you or I since we've already responded to the earlier carrot and the stick, and don't need the bigger carrot.

That saying is a lot more phallic than the Spanish version of the phrase I can't spell.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

Is that 5 level code for this mastery pass season or to get a head start on the next mastery pass season?

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer

GrandpaPants posted:

Is that 5 level code for this mastery pass season or to get a head start on the next mastery pass season?

This season. It's only active through the 26th.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



GrandpaPants posted:

Is that 5 level code for this mastery pass season or to get a head start on the next mastery pass season?
The head start comes from your weekly and daily quests being reset fully on launch.

And then probably a smaller code.

Funkdreamer
Jul 15, 2005

It'll be a blast
Can Murderous Rider's adventure be cast with Tournament Grounds? I'm guessing it can't

Also (Standard) Mardu Knights seems like it runs out of steam pretty easily

Hammer Bro.
Jul 7, 2007

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Lagomorphic posted:

It's gonna be like the mythic qualifier thing where you can only enter once.

Per account.

I like to brew. I'm sorely tempted to set up multiple accounts just for increased brewing potential.

And if one of them hit the jackpot, woowee, I'll be stuck with some stupid throwaway account name henceforth.

drainpipe posted:

Got to level 100 with today's code, so I finally bought the mastery pass.

Does anyone have a writeup of what the mastery pass gets you from an RoI perspective?

I'm assuming it's still a gem sink such that if I prefer limited even at level 100 I'm losing out.

Rap Game Goku
Apr 2, 2008

Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs


Hammer Bro. posted:

Per account.

I like to brew. I'm sorely tempted to set up multiple accounts just for increased brewing potential.

And if one of them hit the jackpot, woowee, I'll be stuck with some stupid throwaway account name henceforth.


Does anyone have a writeup of what the mastery pass gets you from an RoI perspective?

I'm assuming it's still a gem sink such that if I prefer limited even at level 100 I'm losing out.

The free track gets you 36 boosters and 5 orbs.

Assuming you hit level 100, buying the pass gets you in addition to the free rewards:
The Elemental Cat, the Chandra, Flame’s Fury avatar, as Chandra Mastery Pass card sleeve
20 booster packs
2.000 Gems
10.000 Gold
20 Card Styles
25 Set Mastery Orbs
10 Random Mythic Rare Cards
5 Planeswalker Cards from the Core Set 2020 Planeswalker Decks
Uncommon and Rare Pet visual upgrades.
Exquisite Card Sleeve (Card Sleeve with VFX)

Was it worth it? Eh. I'm still enjoying the game so I'd be playing either way. Getting something every level is nice compared to every other on the free track.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Hammer Bro. posted:

Per account.

I like to brew. I'm sorely tempted to set up multiple accounts just for increased brewing potential.

And if one of them hit the jackpot, woowee, I'll be stuck with some stupid throwaway account name henceforth.

My understanding is that the first event lasts 5 days and is exactly the same as the later 36 hour event that has actual rewards - it's there specifically to brew and test. Now, it may be worth setting up a dummy account just to test your brews in the real event in case the meta changes in that period, but otherwise you've got plenty of time to test out any deck you want.

drainpipe
May 17, 2004

AAHHHHHHH!!!!
At least from my point of view, getting the mastery pass at 100 means I effectively spent 1400 gems (about $8) to get 30 packs (20 given and 10K gold) and 10 mythic ICRs. That's worth it to me as a constructed player. If you mostly care about limited, then it probably isn't worth it.

I also don't know if hitting the jackpot on the reward event is worth throwing away your current account. It's only one copy of every card. You're still gonna need a lot more to make a decent deck (again, this is only if you care about constructed).

Funkdreamer
Jul 15, 2005

It'll be a blast

Hammer Bro. posted:

And if one of them hit the jackpot, woowee, I'll be stuck with some stupid throwaway account name henceforth.
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Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Actually if you're a limited only player you get the equivalent of 3500 gems in gems and gold combined at 100 (valuing 5000 gold as 750 gems), not including whatever gems you might get from duplicates when you open packs. If you're at 100 and have the gems, you should buy it even if you don't care about cosmetics or wildcards at all.

Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Sep 20, 2019

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Hammer Bro. posted:

Per account.

I like to brew. I'm sorely tempted to set up multiple accounts just for increased brewing potential.

And if one of them hit the jackpot, woowee, I'll be stuck with some stupid throwaway account name henceforth.

This seems like a pain in the rear end when the first five days of Eldraine have a BO1 All Cards In Standard Brew event.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
U/B artifact reanimator is going be super-duper gross

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CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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Can't believe someone got lucky enough with Legion's End to hit both the Krasis I had on the field and the three I had in my hand.

At least I was able to swing in for lethal the next turn because that would have been backbreaking otherwise

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