Linux: vim isn't moe

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

hifi posted:

i mean, typing happens a lot slower than 60hz. but moving windows around, moving your mouse around, video games (lol), technically movies. smooth scrolling looks like hot rear end at 60hz now. it's like how people complain about the soap opera effect, only it's like sports where the frame rate matters and you're directly manipulating it. getting into the actual psychological part of it, i think it's easier to track where you are moving the mouse cursor on screen when it's updating so fast versus 60 fps. animations become a lot smoother. it's all completely marginal but definitely the most important of the gilding to the computer-user experience.

i find smooth scrolling annoying and turn it off

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 21:31

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

Sapozhnik posted:

144 is nice for desktopping with but for video games 60 is perfectly fine

absolutely not

# ? Sep 18, 2019 20:23

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i find smooth scrolling annoying and turn it off

i didn't like either option on 60hz, and with 144hz it's less annoying because you can track the scrolling text easier with your eyes.

# ? Sep 18, 2019 20:24

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

are we all going to ignore the part where an lcd can't actually deliver 144 hz, like, it is physically impossible

y'all are buying snake oil

turns out you just like motion blur a lot

# ? Sep 18, 2019 20:28

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

are we all going to ignore the part where an lcd can't actually deliver 144 hz, like, it is physically impossible

y'all are buying snake oil

turns out you just like motion blur a lot

it's better than the current 60hz monitors and monitors 10 years ago might not hit 60 hz even either.

# ? Sep 18, 2019 20:40

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

hifi posted:

it's better than the current 60hz monitors and monitors 10 years ago might not hit 60 hz even either.

yeah, my circa 2005 monitor has a lot of trouble with keeping up with 60 hz

all that lovely motion blur

# ? Sep 18, 2019 20:42

r u ready to WALK: Sep 29, 2001

YOU ONLY HAVE TWO EYES

# ? Sep 18, 2019 20:59

Scrotum Modem: Sep 12, 2014

r u ready to WALK posted:

YOU ONLY HAVE TWO EYES

xeyes is an x11 necessity

# ? Sep 18, 2019 21:12

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Joe Mama Poonana posted:

xeyes is an x11 necessity

how else will you find out if your arc-drawing hardware is working ? 0_0

# ? Sep 18, 2019 22:34

ryde: Sep 9, 2011; God I love young girls

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

are we all going to ignore the part where an lcd can't actually deliver 144 hz, like, it is physically impossible

Why is it physically impossible?

# ? Sep 18, 2019 23:23

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

ryde posted:

Why is it physically impossible?

the liquid just doesnt move fast enough in the crystal when charged with photons

# ? Sep 18, 2019 23:44

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Soricidus posted:

that reminds me I never did give the open sourced cde a proper try. maybe it is finally time to return to linux for my daily driver

no

install NetBSD and pkgsrc

then build open source CDE from pkgsrc wip

# ? Sep 19, 2019 04:57

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

I legit use Motif and Open Look on NetBSD and they�re fine

someone just needs to fix the goddamn function prototypes for Xview so the Open Look tools actually work again

(there�s some problem with how they�re declared versus how they�re actually called that I strongly suspect is due to codegen for regular functions and varargs functions being different)

# ? Sep 19, 2019 04:59

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

josh04 posted:

why is kde still so ugly after all this time. why has no-one come along and made it not ugly.

make a skin that looks like NEXTSTEP

# ? Sep 19, 2019 05:00

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

The_Franz posted:

there were lots of crt screens that could accept that resolution, most (none?) of which actually had the dot pitch to resolve all of those pixels.

my Sony CPD-400G did 1600�1200 just fine for many years

it was a little blurry at 1800�1440 though

I have a couple Sarnsung SyncMaster 204B that are native 1600�1200 panels, unfortunately they upscale everything that�s not so I tend to prefer the higher end NEC MultiSyncs LCD for my retro workstations

also a friend has a Sun 21-inch monochrome display that does 1600�1200 and is still gorgeous and sharp, despite being over 30 years old

it uses ECL rather than TTL signaling�

# ? Sep 19, 2019 05:06

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

TimWinter posted:

Oracle tries new tactic: will you install Oracle Linux if it promises not to bother you?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/oracle-announces-oracle-autonomous-linux/

Oracle Linux: Gentoo with a cron job that just pulls and rebuilds everything

# ? Sep 19, 2019 05:12

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

eschaton is the one who was insisting low res was a thing

it was a thing; just because Sun�s first color frame buffer could accommodate 1024�1024 doesn�t mean it was used to drive displays that did that resolution

high resolution color displays were ridiculously expensive for a long time, a great many workstations used a high res mono display and a smaller auxiliary color display for color output

(also don�t forget Sun wasn�t the totality of the workstation market back then either, HP and Apollo were huge)

# ? Sep 19, 2019 05:18

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i find smooth scrolling annoying and turn it off

spoken like someone who hasn�t used it on a VT-series terminal

# ? Sep 19, 2019 05:19

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

eschaton posted:

spoken like someone who hasn�t used it on a VT-series terminal

my experience of actual terminals is mostly school where i had little understanding or control

and it was always off-brand poo poo

# ? Sep 19, 2019 05:20

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

smooth scrolling on at least the later VTs was a thing of beauty

let me tell you, you haven�t lived until you�ve done a

$ DIRECTORY

on VMS from a VT241

it smooth-scrolls at exactly the right speed to read the listing without pausing

even my HP 700/96 doesn�t feel that right

# ? Sep 19, 2019 05:38

pram: Jun 10, 2001

eschaton posted:

Oracle Linux: Gentoo with a cron job that just pulls and rebuilds everything

its just centos

# ? Sep 19, 2019 06:30

pram: Jun 10, 2001

# ? Sep 19, 2019 06:30

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

pram posted:

its just centos

centos with oracle's really nice kernel upgrader thing

# ? Sep 19, 2019 06:54

pram: Jun 10, 2001

yes it has ksplice and dtrace and a bunch of other stuff. its not bad at all

# ? Sep 19, 2019 07:10

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

pram posted:

yes it has ksplice and dtrace and a bunch of other stuff. its not bad at all

i had no idea oracle had a dtrace for linux

that would be cool if i ever had a reason to believe i would see oracle linux in the wild ever again

# ? Sep 19, 2019 07:17

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

rendered moot now anyways because of bpftrace

# ? Sep 19, 2019 07:46

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

# ? Sep 19, 2019 11:20

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

lol

# ? Sep 19, 2019 11:28

The_Franz: Aug 8, 2003

I just got my remaining class action settlement funds for Sony removing Linux from the ps3

$3.02 United States dollarydoos

brb going to buy half a sandwich with my newfound wealth lol

# ? Sep 20, 2019 00:23

psiox: Oct 15, 2001; Babylon 5 Street Team

The_Franz posted:

I just got my remaining class action settlement funds for Sony removing Linux from the ps3

$3.02 United States dollarydoos

brb going to buy half a sandwich with my newfound wealth lol

maybe you could buy a set of linux CDs from walnut creek

# ? Sep 20, 2019 01:38

Laslow: Jul 18, 2007

lxqt works for me with my ugly as gently caress NeXTStep clone or my ugly as gently caress motif setup.

if your desktop is gonna be ugly, then it should at least be intentionally that way and not what kde, gnome, win10, or osx puke up on your desktop by default.

actually whatever rhel 8 uses looks halfway decent, it�s just annoying to use for more than 10 minutes.

# ? Sep 20, 2019 02:55

psiox: Oct 15, 2001; Babylon 5 Street Team

hell yeah

legalize yosstep

# ? Sep 20, 2019 03:02

Super Nintendo 64: Feb 18, 2012

Whoever made that Dale Earnhardt Jr. reference a few pages back, that was some funny poo poo.

# ? Sep 20, 2019 05:14

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

hm surprising!

Nouveau Finally Lands SPIR-V Support As Part Of OpenCL Push

doesn't this also pave the way for nouveau vulkan and such stuff too?

i hope that someone can get reclocking working on newer chips, open source nvidia would actually become a thing then

# ? Sep 22, 2019 09:40

Ocean of Milk: Jun 25, 2018; oh yeah

Athas posted:

The WM was ratpoison, which is still one of the best programs ever written by anyone for any reason.

https://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/inspiration.html posted:

John Dyson said:
> not most) users. I attain no high in passive smoking, and only feel
> the anxiety. The very sad thing is to avoid the anxiety, pot users
> often either seek more pot, alcohol or benzo's for temporary relief.
> This is a really silly vicious circle for a little short term
> relief. Those who think that pot is harmless are diluding themselves
> or even simply ignorant.

That's because your not using the Scheme Configurable Window Manager.
I found that having the proper WM while toking is extremely important.
You need one that absolutely minimizes use of the rodent, and with
scwm's synthetic events, awesome key binding supports and scripting, I
have a setup which allows me to do everything without pushing about
the cursed rolly thing. Thank you Maciej for thinking about all of us
stoners when designing SCWM.

The reason you want to avoid the rodent is that when your coding while
chemically modified you will want to minimize any possible distraction
or break in concentration. The slightest wavering in your attention
will easily explode into a ten minute setback. If you can keep
yourself on-track then I find that productivity is greatly increased,
and with the properly trained mindset bug density on first pass is
usually drastically decreased.

In the past when working with improper window management I have found
that reaching for the rodent and lifting my eyes off my FSF emacs
block cursor can trigger undesired distractions, particularly when I'm
working in non-Lisp dialects (well except for mercury and Pop-11)
because any idle brain wave will be spent bitching to yourself
silently about the lameness of the artificial language you are forced
to be thinking in presently.

It should also be noted that since SCWM is extended thru scheme, you
have another advantage. Pot and lame type systems like in C/C++ do
not mix. THC and Lisp dialects (or Pop-11, and sometimes mercury) are
wonderful combinations provided you don't mind spending 20% of your
time rejoicing in the beauty that is a dynamic language with uniform
syntax and a real goddamn macro system.

For the particularly bent crowd, I'd reccomend maybe starting out with
a Luca Cardelli paper, followed by a round of OCaml hacking, and if
you have another bowl to smoke and an evening to waste, follow it all
up dinking around in mercury. This recipe will not result in much
working code at the end of the day, but your mind will be glowing. I
should warn you that only people with hard-ons for abstract
mathematics and mathematical logic will really survive this course
without a major headache.

Of course, this should all be done on a Debian Linux box, because you
can install all of these languages with a simple apt-get command.
With FreeBSD you would have to compile them all, and friggin compiling
alien language implementations from France (OCaml) will break your
widdle head when stoned. None of the tools I have mentioned so far
are BSD licensed, and most are GPLed or Public Domain, and none of
them have patents pending (except maybe if you got a fancy bong).
When your done, remember, libertarians are people who think they
sprung from their own rear end in a top hat, the free market is a plot to
exploit your sorry rear end, and all the real elite programmers are
wobblies.

PS: Everything but the last paragraph is a troll.

# ? Sep 23, 2019 13:10

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

are we all going to ignore the part where an lcd can't actually deliver 144 hz, like, it is physically impossible

y'all are buying snake oil

turns out you just like motion blur a lot

alright, i'll bite: what is the maximum refresh rate an LCD can deliver?

# ? Sep 23, 2019 16:46

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

alright, i'll bite: what is the maximum refresh rate an LCD can deliver?

beats me, the manufacturers don't even publish that anymore

they foist you off with "grey to grey" response times, meaning, the fastest they can paint motion blur

# ? Sep 23, 2019 16:50

r u ready to WALK: Sep 29, 2001

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

beats me, the manufacturers don't even publish that anymore

they foist you off with "grey to grey" response times, meaning, the fastest they can paint motion blur

This is a clever trap to get someone to Linuspost the video where they film high refresh rate monitors with a high speed camera, isn't it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3z3fsOLOC8

Motion blur is mostly caused by your eyes moving to track an object, not the display panel. A higher frame rate will help a lot and a 240hz display is clearly updating much faster since it is receiving pixel data at twice/quadruple the speed.

Here's an ancient slow panel in comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCHgmCxGEzY

# ? Sep 23, 2019 20:16

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

r u ready to WALK posted:

This is a clever trap to get someone to Linuspost the video where they film high refresh rate monitors with a high speed camera, isn't it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3z3fsOLOC8

pro fps players say that 60 to 144 is huge and 144 to 240 is barely noticeable, this is probably the best video demonstrating why

# ? Sep 23, 2019 20:38

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 21:31

r u ready to WALK: Sep 29, 2001

This page has a bunch more videos if you want to geek out about slow and fast displays

https://www.blurbusters.com/understanding-display-scanout-lag-with-high-speed-video/

And then there's the "lightboost" tech that strobes the backlight so you see less of the transitions and get less blur from eye tracking, basically https://www.testufo.com/blackframes but in hardware

# ? Sep 23, 2019 21:01

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