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Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


The Fool posted:

After staring at that for a few minutes I realized that leadership is totally disconnected from any other process, and as a result I now believe this to be the most accurate representation of real world work.

Holy poo poo. You're right.

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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


The Iron Rose posted:

Lmao is this legit? Cuz I dodged a massive bullet if so holy poo poo

Not only did Deloitte think this was a good idea to publish publicly, it's version 3.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




KillHour posted:

Not only did Deloitte think this was a good idea to publish publicly, it's version 3.

We hired them as consultants when starting our DevOps program a couple years ago so...yeah...... we're doing that.......

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Just got upgraded from a desktop with 4gb of DDR3 and an i3 2120 to 16gb of DDR4 and an i7 8550u :pcgaming:

It always surprises me for some reason that people in IT don't get excited when they get big, fancy upgrades. One of my old employees who we totally geeked out on Nintendo stuff about used a 3rd gen i5, 4gb ram, and some ancient first gen SSD (it might have been an OCZ one) for ages while we had the option to get like 6th gen i7s, 16gb, and NVME drives.

Hell I'm never using more than a few programs at once, but it's fun getting super high end hardware. Even some end users are getting latest gen i5s and 16gb standard now, but everyone absolutely hates the UHD screens on the new laptops.

unbutthurtable
Dec 2, 2016

Total. Tox. Rereg.


College Slice

cage-free egghead posted:

It always surprises me for some reason that people in IT don't get excited when they get big, fancy upgrades. One of my old employees who we totally geeked out on Nintendo stuff about used a 3rd gen i5, 4gb ram, and some ancient first gen SSD (it might have been an OCZ one) for ages while we had the option to get like 6th gen i7s, 16gb, and NVME drives.

Hell I'm never using more than a few programs at once, but it's fun getting super high end hardware. Even some end users are getting latest gen i5s and 16gb standard now, but everyone absolutely hates the UHD screens on the new laptops.

I've been in too many situations where management tried to play off giving me a newer laptop as somehow akin to a raise

Give me the slow poo poo, I'll just work slower. It's your lovely company lol

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Or the god drat “power users” that think they need $3000 laptops for Outlook and a 5250 client.

Antioch
Apr 18, 2003
The yahoo in estimating at my job ordered himself 2x 34" 4k monitors, an i7 with 32gb RAM, 500gb nvme, 2TB of SSD, and a loving 2070. Signed off on the purchase himself, juuuust under his max signing authority. He uses SAP, excel, and email.

I should say used, actually, as he got canned yesterday morning.

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
A happy ending to the tale!

Now tell us who scavenged all that after he was escorted out.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


CLAM DOWN posted:

We hired them as consultants when starting our DevOps program a couple years ago so...yeah...... we're doing that.......

My current customer loves using Deloitte as consultants. They're a giant pain in my rear end and want to own everything that gets put in. I keep taking their "architectures" that typically consist of about a thousand different AWS products that each do one thing and stripping out half of it because they can do the same things with software they already own.

A NoSQL database isn't just a JSON archive, you morons!

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

GreenNight posted:

Or the god drat “power users” that think they need $3000 laptops for Outlook and a 5250 client.
I have a $5000 laptop for Google Docs. Engineering manager jobs are wild

unbutthurtable posted:

I've been in too many situations where management tried to play off giving me a newer laptop as somehow akin to a raise

Give me the slow poo poo, I'll just work slower. It's your lovely company lol
I've had laptops as part of a severance before. Cool, give me the extremely expensive MacBook Pro. I haven't bought a computer since 2012

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Antioch posted:

The yahoo in estimating at my job ordered himself 2x 34" 4k monitors, an i7 with 32gb RAM, 500gb nvme, 2TB of SSD, and a loving 2070. Signed off on the purchase himself, juuuust under his max signing authority. He uses SAP, excel, and email.

I should say used, actually, as he got canned yesterday morning.

Did you appropriate his gear for your own use? :sun:

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Antioch posted:

The yahoo in estimating at my job ordered himself 2x 34" 4k monitors, an i7 with 32gb RAM, 500gb nvme, 2TB of SSD, and a loving 2070. Signed off on the purchase himself, juuuust under his max signing authority. He uses SAP, excel, and email.

I should say used, actually, as he got canned yesterday morning.

Oh look; IT has requisitioned this unused gear for re-purposing...

TheFace
Oct 4, 2004

Fuck anyone that doesn't wanna be this beautiful
Anyone have experience in being a Technical account manager before? I've got an interview with VMware at the end of the week and am weighing the pros vs cons, and was wondering if anyone had any insight into actually being a TAM?

Pros compared to my current job would be:
- Compensation: Base should be higher than what I make now, plus a yearly bonus (that I don't currently get), plus ESPP (Stock at discount price!)
- Boredom: I'm currently bored with my current job. Side effect of a system that just works.
- Upward mobility: My current job the only upward"mobility I have at this point is management roles, which I contemplated when one became available but it didn't feel like a good fit when I had all the details.

Cons compared to my current job:
- No longer 100% work from home. I don't know the details yet but I will be at customer sites a certain % of the time, with work from home the remaining. This would also potentially mean a long commute depending on where in the Phoenix valley a customer is.
- No longer east coast hours while living in Phoenix. I've gotten used to rolling into my home office at 5:30 am and being off work by 2 pm.

Few unknowns that may be a Con:
- Currently my girlfriend is self employed but I can put her under my insurance as my "domestic partner". It's currently unknown if I'll be able to do that with their insurance, it's one of my many questions for Friday. My current insurance kicks the hell out of any Obamacare plan she's had in the past.
- While boring, my current job is extremely "cushy". How easy everything is makes life boring, but we've also build a really stable system so I'm not up at night worrying about "what if [xyz] crashes"
- PTO. Currently I get 4 weeks PTO + unlimited sick time and personal time (I can and have used "sick" time to take my dog to the vet and this is 100% allowed). VMware is "unlimited" PTO which I've heard both good and bad things about. It seems to all come down to your manager. I've heard stories where unlimited PTO is great and people take multiple weeks off per year, along with creating several 3 day weekends. And I've heard stories where managers don't approve PTO in general because they are worried that "unlimited PTO" means people will slack off or some nonsense.

I'd be interested to hear from any of you that get "unlimited PTO" to see how it's handled at your work as well.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Unlimited PTO is a bullshit accounting move to get a liability off the books, among other bullshit reasons. Similar reason companies moved away from sick time accrual.

I’ve heard good and bad stories though and the common thread is the manager or department in question.


Next year I’m moving to 22 paid days off and “unlimited sick time” You drat right I’m gonna be sick at least 6 days a year

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


I prefer PTO accrual over "unlimited" PTO. I'm going to take every vacation day they give me.

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.


skipdogg posted:

Next year I’m moving to 22 paid days off and “unlimited sick time” You drat right I’m gonna be sick at least 6 days a year

Just lol if you aren’t already using every single sick day you have available.

I’m taking a sick day right now so I can spend the day reading a book and relaxing and not thinking about work.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




deedee megadoodoo posted:

Just lol if you aren’t already using every single sick day you have available.

I’m taking a sick day right now so I can spend the day reading a book and relaxing and not thinking about work.

Isn't that....a vacation day? I'm confused.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

CLAM DOWN posted:

Isn't that....a vacation day? I'm confused.

Mental health is important and should be considered a sick day just as if you had a fever.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




GreenNight posted:

Mental health is important and should be considered a sick day just as if you had a fever.

I didn't say otherwise?

TheFace
Oct 4, 2004

Fuck anyone that doesn't wanna be this beautiful

CLAM DOWN posted:

Isn't that....a vacation day? I'm confused.

When Vacation days are counted PTO (with a limited amount) and sick time is "unlimited", random mental health days become sick days.

For me the only difference is planning I guess, if I just need a day to get my poo poo together it's a sick day. If I planned the day off in advance (even if it is to do nothing) it's PTO.

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

having limited sick days is such a bizarre concept, get your poo poo together america

GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

deedee megadoodoo posted:

Just lol if you aren’t already using every single sick day you have available.

For me, sick days count towards years of service. Stack sick days, get closer to that sweet sweet pension even sooner.
Besides I've always got way more loving comp time than I'm supposed to so I try to burn it when I can.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Jeoh posted:

having limited sick days is such a bizarre concept, get your poo poo together america

We take it to the next level - we combine limited sick days with the shittiest health care outside of the Third World.

SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader


Darchangel posted:

We take it to the next level - we combine limited sick days with the shittiest health care outside of the Third World.

MURIKA

J
Jun 10, 2001

My employer recently purchased a small company that I will call company B. B handled email and file sharing with G suite, whereas we're a mostly microsoft environment (AD, exchange, etc.) At this point we've mostly got B integrated into our domain. However, there is a lot of gnashing of teeth from B about how they just haaaate outlook and gmail is just so much better and they just can't do anything without gmail. This is my first experience with G Suite so I'm a rookie here but so far from what I've seen, while we can get their exchange mail delivered to the g suite account, the idea was to ditch the g suite account altogether. Management doesn't want to keep paying for it, and ultimately I think they are going to tell company B to get over it. However they are still asking if B can somehow "keep gmail." I'm not overlooking something here am I? To me it seems like the options are either keep paying for g suite, or we drop g suite and B gets to live with outlook. We have on prem exchange if that matters.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Tell Company B to get over it. Company A wrote the check, Company A makes the rules. Or make a legacy company B department cover the Gsuite cost.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

J posted:

My employer recently purchased a small company that I will call company B. B handled email and file sharing with G suite, whereas we're a mostly microsoft environment (AD, exchange, etc.) At this point we've mostly got B integrated into our domain. However, there is a lot of gnashing of teeth from B about how they just haaaate outlook and gmail is just so much better and they just can't do anything without gmail. This is my first experience with G Suite so I'm a rookie here but so far from what I've seen, while we can get their exchange mail delivered to the g suite account, the idea was to ditch the g suite account altogether. Management doesn't want to keep paying for it, and ultimately I think they are going to tell company B to get over it. However they are still asking if B can somehow "keep gmail." I'm not overlooking something here am I? To me it seems like the options are either keep paying for g suite, or we drop g suite and B gets to live with outlook. We have on prem exchange if that matters.

Company B has a better email system than you do. Adopt company B's email system!

Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014

TheFace posted:

- PTO. Currently I get 4 weeks PTO + unlimited sick time and personal time (I can and have used "sick" time to take my dog to the vet and this is 100% allowed). VMware is "unlimited" PTO which I've heard both good and bad things about. It seems to all come down to your manager. I've heard stories where unlimited PTO is great and people take multiple weeks off per year, along with creating several 3 day weekends. And I've heard stories where managers don't approve PTO in general because they are worried that "unlimited PTO" means people will slack off or some nonsense.

I'd be interested to hear from any of you that get "unlimited PTO" to see how it's handled at your work as well.

Caveat: I work for a very small company (12 people), and I'm not the US, so ymmv

We have "unlimited PTO", and I don't like it. I know it works well enough for some of my colleagues, but for me, this actually means I take significantly less time off than I could (and should). Previously, I had 28 or so days, but unlimited or not, I'm nowhere near that. Since we are so small and have relatively flat hierachies, there isn't really any approval needed, but I have a several projects that I work on essentially on my own. Because of that, I could theoretically just take 4 weeks off, but none of that work would disappear during that time, so upon returning, I would have everything queued that usually needs to be done, plus those 4 weeks, which basically means pushing work ahead of me like a bow wave. This is partially a personality/mentality-thing, at least in my case, but ultimately, this means I'm basically exploiting myself, because I would probably benefit from taking time off, yet I do not, and my employer really gets more out of me than he deserves. Ask yourself whether you are prone to working longer hours or to feel overly responsible -- if the answer is "yes", then chances are, unlimited PTO might come to bite you. If you are not, it might be quite nice, unless your manager(s) were to actively undermine your ability to take advantage of it.

TheFace
Oct 4, 2004

Fuck anyone that doesn't wanna be this beautiful

Hollow Talk posted:

Caveat: I work for a very small company (12 people), and I'm not the US, so ymmv

We have "unlimited PTO", and I don't like it. I know it works well enough for some of my colleagues, but for me, this actually means I take significantly less time off than I could (and should). Previously, I had 28 or so days, but unlimited or not, I'm nowhere near that. Since we are so small and have relatively flat hierachies, there isn't really any approval needed, but I have a several projects that I work on essentially on my own. Because of that, I could theoretically just take 4 weeks off, but none of that work would disappear during that time, so upon returning, I would have everything queued that usually needs to be done, plus those 4 weeks, which basically means pushing work ahead of me like a bow wave. This is partially a personality/mentality-thing, at least in my case, but ultimately, this means I'm basically exploiting myself, because I would probably benefit from taking time off, yet I do not, and my employer really gets more out of me than he deserves. Ask yourself whether you are prone to working longer hours or to feel overly responsible -- if the answer is "yes", then chances are, unlimited PTO might come to bite you. If you are not, it might be quite nice, unless your manager(s) were to actively undermine your ability to take advantage of it.


Based on what you said about not wanting work backed up while you're gone, why would it be any easier to take time off if you had X number of days?

I'm actually an advocate at my current work for people to take the time off they're given and have no problem taking the time I have even though I know work will be a bit backed up when I get back. So I guess for me I just need to get a feel on how the manager handles PTO under the "unlimited" plan.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair
I've never gotten paid out for unused vacation time so unlimited PTO is just straight out an upgrade as far as I'm concerned.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

I've never had PTO, so going from 0 Days to potentially Unlimited days was awesome.


I've currently only used twelve days(not counting the four company holidays) though with another four queued up for october. I'll probably end up at twentyish by the time the year ends I dunno if I'm doing this unlimited PTO thing right?

fargom
Mar 21, 2007

Inspector_666 posted:

I've never gotten paid out for unused vacation time so unlimited PTO is just straight out an upgrade as far as I'm concerned.

I hope this is because wherever you worked did not require it by law, and not just because a company screwed you. I'm in glorious California and you better believe that earned PTO days represent PAY that your company owes you, regardless of how you separate from the company.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

fargom posted:

I hope this is because wherever you worked did not require it by law, and not just because a company screwed you. I'm in glorious California and you better believe that earned PTO days represent PAY that your company owes you, regardless of how you separate from the company.

NY doesn't require it unless the employer puts it in the contract which...why would they do that?

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Inspector_666 posted:

NY doesn't require it unless the employer puts it in the contract which...why would they do that?

Every single company I've worked for has included that in the employment contract. It's pretty standard, at least in Canada, mostly because it's an obligation under our labour laws - at least in Ontario anyways. I'd certainly insist on it if it was not included in the contract.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


I'm not sure if Ohio does. Anyone know?

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]
Well well well, old manager comes crawling back to me asking for help with a project because he's overwhelmed. Boy that really sucks, have fun dude!

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

J posted:

My employer recently purchased a small company that I will call company B. B handled email and file sharing with G suite, whereas we're a mostly microsoft environment (AD, exchange, etc.) At this point we've mostly got B integrated into our domain. However, there is a lot of gnashing of teeth from B about how they just haaaate outlook and gmail is just so much better and they just can't do anything without gmail. This is my first experience with G Suite so I'm a rookie here but so far from what I've seen, while we can get their exchange mail delivered to the g suite account, the idea was to ditch the g suite account altogether. Management doesn't want to keep paying for it, and ultimately I think they are going to tell company B to get over it. However they are still asking if B can somehow "keep gmail." I'm not overlooking something here am I? To me it seems like the options are either keep paying for g suite, or we drop g suite and B gets to live with outlook. We have on prem exchange if that matters.

Nah, you're not overlooking anything - they gotta pay for GSuite or lose it.

Asimov
Feb 15, 2016

Make everyone a free Gmail account with username.yourcompany at gmail.com.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Asimov posted:

Make everyone a free Gmail account with username.yourcompany at gmail.com.

:nms: that poo poo

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Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe

late, but lmao :five:

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