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Thom P. Tiers posted:Jack Flaherty finishes the season as #1 in the league in WHIP and H/9 which is absolutely ridiculous. In March, somebody in the fantasy thread asked who they should keep between Flaherty and Marquez. GalacticAcid posted:I'm high on Flaherty. He could wind up with a Cy Young in the next couple years if things break his way. So Cardinal or no, I've been pleased with his turnaround since it makes me look smart.
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Sab0921 posted:They'll do a McCullers-Morton thing Hopefully less that and more a Schilling/Johnson thing given how McCullers performed
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Sab0921 posted:They'll do a McCullers-Morton thing If rest wasn't an issue, there's no way you don't start one of them
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No Safe Word posted:If rest wasn't an issue, there's no way you don't start one of them McCullers started game 7
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zoux posted:NL pitcher of the month honors as well and Austin Meadows was AL Player of the Month. Yet, Neal Huntington still has a job.
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zoux posted:I don't think you'd see a mention of Kershaw as a game 7 starter anyways
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Intruder posted:Hopefully less that and more a Schilling/Johnson thing given how McCullers performed MCCULLERS PITCHED 3 INNINGS OF NO RUN BASEBALL - I will not be taking any corrections to that statement. Thanks.
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Intruder posted:McCullers started game 7 Morton finished it off. Also in Game 7 of the ALCS, Morton started for 5 innings and McCullers pitched 4 innings and ended the series with like 25 straight curveballs.
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https://twitter.com/DaltonJ_Johnson/status/1178447148184064001 He's the same age as Scherzer and a year younger than JV. Also I was shocked to learn that Felix is only 33, he looks like he's godamn 40. Did Lincecum have a big injury or what?
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I'm pretty sure Lincecum's body gave out due to the nature of his mechanics looking back on it Lincecum was a pretty amazing success story since he had to finetune his mechanics before the advent of high speed cameras in pitching development
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Lincecum had a hugely explosive, max effort delivery and it seems like it just wore him down quicker than most pitchers. He steadily lost velo year over year until he could barely touch 90 and it all collapsed.
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Lincecum's hip blew out from the torque of his delivery, iirc, and he just never got his velo back after surgery. I was so sad when he finally flubbed out of the Rangers' system.
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Sep 30, 2019 22:17
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big trivia FAIL posted:i would not have guessed yu darvish holds the all time SO/9 number it's hilarious if you eliminate everything from the past 15 years or so you'd be left with Nolan Ryan at 9.5, Sandy Koufax at 9.3 and then everyone else below 9 Now there's 20+ people above that number
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it's really weird and sad to think about how briefly Lincecum was good. Like I think of Felix as a guy who fell off suddenly and he had an effective career at least twice as long as Lincecum. hard to be 170 and throw mid-90s, I suppose
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Sep 30, 2019 22:24
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Espn's Cy Young Predictor
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Osuna? the gently caress?
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Yeah, kind of counter to the GDT narrative isn't it. He's got the most fWAR of any reliever in the AL.
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Pitcher WAR is dumb as hell. Lance Lynn has more fWAR than Justin Verlander and Mike Minor has the same bWAR as Justin Verlander. 
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fWAR uses FIP which heavily penalizes HRs, which is the difference there
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Pitching WAR isn't useless but I don't love it for comparing individual performances. I like WAR more in the aggregate, like how much WAR a team's starting rotation provided compared to another team's, or how much WAR a team has generated through the draft. Things like that.
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Yeah imo fWAR isn't that great for pitchers because it's just FIP, which isnt always in line with actual results. A 5 ERA pitcher with a 2 FIP will have more fWAR than one with the reverse.
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GalacticAcid posted:Pitching WAR isn't useless but I don't love it for comparing individual performances. I like WAR more in the aggregate, like how much WAR a team's starting rotation provided compared to another team's, or how much WAR a team has generated through the draft. Things like that. Well I can’t find the drat blown save stat column!! What are the best stats for evaluating closers
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Has pitching war accounted for juiced balls yet Sort of. FIP is calculated with a constant which changes every year that scales to ERA. So since the balls are juiced and offense is up, the FIP constant is the biggest it's been in quite a while. The league FIP is also up. The WAR calculator relies on individual FIP compared to league FIP, so yes it's adjusted for run environment.
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zoux posted:Well I can’t find the drat blown save stat column!! Clutch  though seriously it's basically the same as starters but I guess you could look at like WPA, WPA/LI, and stuff like that since they're more often in high leverage situations?
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zoux posted:Well I can’t find the drat blown save stat column!! For evaluating relief talent I prefer K% and BB% and mostly write off the rest as noise lol. For evaluating a season's performance, I look at K%, BB%, WHIP, and ERA.
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rickiep00h posted:Lincecum's hip blew out from the torque of his delivery, iirc, and he just never got his velo back after surgery. I was so sad when he finally flubbed out of the Rangers' system. IIRC his dad was some kind of military/naval engineer in Seattle who took a really analytical approach to how Tim had to move in order to generate maximum velo with a smaller frame not surprising that one thing finally giving out hosed up his entire delivery
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zoux posted:Well I can’t find the drat blown save stat column!! I remember someone came up with stats called shutdowns and meltdowns for relievers, which meant a reliever could have a meltdown and still get the save because they gave up 2 runs and had the bases loaded and got the final out.
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Tim had a good run. Won two cy youngs and three rings and made $100m Hopefully he's able to live pain free now that he's no longer pitching
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seiferguy posted:I remember someone came up with stats called shutdowns and meltdowns for relievers, which meant a reliever could have a meltdown and still get the save because they gave up 2 runs and had the bases loaded and got the final out. Just call it the Kimbrel
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seiferguy posted:I remember someone came up with stats called shutdowns and meltdowns for relievers, which meant a reliever could have a meltdown and still get the save because they gave up 2 runs and had the bases loaded and got the final out. If you improve your teams win expectancy by 6% or more, that’s a shutdown. If you worsen it by 6% or more, that’s a meltdown. This is measured when entering and exiting a game. So you can’t come in to a clean inning with say 95% win expectancy, almost blow it, and then escape with a shutdown. Because you still only improved WE by 5%. You can’t induce a shutdown situation for yourself. https://library.fangraphs.com/pitching/sd-md/
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https://twitter.com/CEmma670/status/1178787681532170240 I know the last four years spoiled the poo poo out of me but man does it suck to be right back at the outside looking in wrt October baseball.
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bawfuls posted:This is the old Bill James predictor, which worked will up until like 2006 or so. Since then the Tango Tiger predictor works better. Woowee Cole and JV (Cole's first)  Honestly who ever wins it has a good case it is razor thin and also good problems to have. When was the last time a team had the top two Cy finishers
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zoux posted:Woowee Cole and JV (Cole's first) 2001 Randy and Schilling is always my go to when these types of questions come up and it didn't disappoint The Phillies had 3 top 5 finishers in 2011 but Kershaw won I also had no idea Bartolo had won a cy young e: Randy and Schilling did it again in 2002 lol Randy was the actual winner both times which good gently caress Schilling Intruder fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Sep 30, 2019 |
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FWIW there has been one set of co-Cy winners but pretty sure the voting is drastically different and without explicitly pairing off and agreeing to vote 1/2 the opposite way it's statistically unlikely that they could tie
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Intruder posted:2001 Randy and Schilling is always my go to when these types of questions come up and it didn't disappoint Interesting, and what was the result of the 2001 World Series
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