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MrFlibble posted:MCU films are trash but so are art films. Did you read what he said because he's right
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 16:46 |
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Like his argument isn't they're bad because the Poors and the Stupids like them his argument is they're bland bullshit made with an eye to snagging as many dollars as possible rather than being someone's actual artistic vision And he's right
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 16:48 |
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Like his argument isn't they're bad because the Poors and the Stupids like them his argument is they're bland bullshit made with an eye to snagging as many dollars as possible rather than being someone's actual artistic vision Millionaires aren't right until they're dead.
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 16:54 |
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MrFlibble posted:Millionaires aren't right until they're dead. Well this is a productive discussion
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 16:56 |
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Well this is a productive discussion I agree that the MCU films are products designed to make the biggest amount of money possible. I just think that maybe they wouldn't be like that if we didn't live in a society that was designed to encourage that sort of mindset and also that maybe a millionaire isn't the best person to be talking about it and also gently caress him.
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 17:01 |
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MrFlibble posted:I agree that the MCU films are products designed to make the biggest amount of money possible. I just think that maybe they wouldn't be like that if we didn't live in a society that was designed to encourage that sort of mindset and also that maybe a millionaire isn't the best person to be talking about it and also gently caress him. I meant "heartbreaking, worst person" etc is a meme for a reason Being a millionaire can be immoral and he can be right about how this is mass produced bullshit with no artistic value
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 17:06 |
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Like you're not even arguing with his ideas you're just mad that he said them
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 17:07 |
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I meant "heartbreaking, worst person" etc is a meme for a reason Well, sure. Its value is the bread and circuses distraction from society collapsing, which I agree isn't artistic. BENGHAZI 2 posted:Like you're not even arguing with his ideas you're just mad that he said them I don't care for the idea that a director is the sole producer of art with regards to cinema and I think that dismissing the work of the actors and film crew is bullshit even if the ideas he is expressing are correct. I think the term art is bullshit in general because theres no objective way to define it with regards to this conversation because every loving film funded by a major corporation is intended to make a profit but that doesn't mean that the people working on them aren't trying to say something.
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 17:20 |
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what exactly are the deep artistic statements you think marvel movies are saying
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 17:23 |
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MrFlibble posted:Well, sure. Its value is the bread and circuses distraction from society collapsing, which I agree isn't artistic. Lmao ok what's your favorite iron man
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 17:26 |
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MrFlibble posted:I agree that the MCU films are products designed to make the biggest amount of money possible. I just think that maybe they wouldn't be like that if we didn't live in a society that was designed to encourage that sort of mindset and also that maybe a millionaire isn't the best person to be talking about it and also gently caress him.
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 17:29 |
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MrFlibble posted:Well, sure. Its value is the bread and circuses distraction from society collapsing, which I agree isn't artistic. youre mad that hes making fun of your baby movies lmao
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Maybe, I guess. I don't know. I haven't even watched a marvel film in a while. They all just kind of blend in together after a while. EDIT: Honestly I think its just that i'm kind of dumb. MrFlibble has issued a correction as of 17:35 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Serf posted:yeah except that movie depicted those things as bad. joker has marginalized citizens putting on clown masks and beating up the cops and killing the rich and it never really tries to make that look bad The movie is basically "Give the poor and the sick what they need or else they will rise up around the wrong charismatic populist figurehead" so I mostly liked it. There's incel stuff in there. The discourse around the latter would be bearable if more people were talking about the former, because ignoring the films thesis... proves it correct? But yes its also derivative of the obvious things, but of all of them it's most like Fight Club in that it will be loved and co-opted by chuds who aren't really thinking about it either, which is lame because nobody should have to think that hard about it.
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 18:06 |
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MasterSitsu posted:The movie is basically "Give the poor and the sick what they need or else they will rise up around the wrong charismatic populist figurehead" so I mostly liked it. There's incel stuff in there. The discourse around the latter would be bearable if more people were talking about the former, because ignoring the films thesis... proves it correct? i read no incel themes in the movie. that seems largely engineered by media libs to distract from the obvious class war narrative that the movie creates. seemingly by accident, since todd phillips is a huge moron, but that's not surprising. most movies with interesting themes develop them unconsciously
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https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1180330977240989696
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Serf posted:i read no incel themes in the movie. that seems largely engineered by media libs to distract from the obvious class war narrative that the movie creates. seemingly by accident, since todd phillips is a huge moron, but that's not surprising. most movies with interesting themes develop them unconsciously I dont know how deep into spoilers we can really get here, but what is real/not real and what we see/don't see regarding one character can easily be picked apart by nature of its vagueness. anywho: https://twitter.com/leslieleeiii/status/1178671999968776192 I am buying stock in the take linked above (even though the real answer is US, with honorable mention to DUMBO)
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 18:26 |
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the director has been doing the rounds whining about how the "far left' are censoring him so its safe to say that wasnt his intent lol
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 18:39 |
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MCU movies are fuckin' fine art films are making love i've done neither so i'm just speculating
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 18:46 |
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cargo cult posted:the director has been doing the rounds whining about how the "far left' are censoring him so its safe to say that wasnt his intent lol His quote is “What’s outstanding to me in the discourse of this movie is how easily the far left can sound like the far right when it suits their agenda.” He's a horseshoe theory guy. There are a ton of class reductionists who wince at idpol. Boots Riley does it too. LOL not saying Todd is some anti-cap revolutionary - he's a chud - but there's nothing surprising about a guy who made a populist movie whining about idpols. Regardless, this is a movie where Joker's only (on-screen) victims are Wall Street brokers and people who financially exploit his mental illness for ratings. He inspires a populist uprising. Cops are bad. His boss is bad. The rich businessman running for office is bad. The media lionizes the rich white victims. His meds and therapy are subject to austerity cuts. It's hard to convince me this many things get in there 'unintentionally' MasterSitsu has issued a correction as of 19:27 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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the director is also an anti-union shitbag whose other claim to fame is making the hangover movies
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 19:30 |
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the device between trash and art or whatever is such a useless bougie point of view. like enjoying thing ironically back when that was a thing.
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Bro Dad posted:the director is also an anti-union shitbag whose other claim to fame is making the hangover movies Like Sorkin he's an anti-WGA dick who in the same breath claims to be for unions in principle. None of this is a defense, I'm just saying none of this is real evidence to me that the things in Joker are an accident (especially when its co-written by a guy who has made other works sympathetic to poor, sick, or addicted persons) https://twitter.com/t_ruggeri/status/1179130071870656512?s=20
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MasterSitsu posted:I dont know how deep into spoilers we can really get here, but what is real/not real and what we see/don't see regarding one character can easily be picked apart by nature of its vagueness. yeah i know what you're referring to and i think that if you put it in the context of the other time during the film that we see that plot element come up, it seems less that he has an unfulfilled desire for sexual intimacy and more that he just wants intimacy of any kind
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# ? Oct 5, 2019 20:19 |
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Phillips also got his start making a GG Allin documentary, so he might just have a soft spot for transgressive anarchic chaos, regardless of what it's in service of. Like, his Hangover sequel was the externalized version of the nihilism underpinning the original and I don't care enough to research if he intended that. He might just like not liking things. E: also I haven't seen Joker yet, so idk mysterious frankie has issued a correction as of 20:43 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/EmilyRMarlow/status/1180601644616044545
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Serf posted:yeah i know what you're referring to and i think that if you put it in the context of the other time during the film that we see that plot element come up, it seems less that he has an unfulfilled desire for sexual intimacy and more that he just wants intimacy of any kind Attention of any kind. Failed professional clown/aspiring stand up comedian. Psychiatrists arent listening to him, boss doesnt listen to him/believe him, relationships both real and imagined are given and taken away. It's more that he has no positive attention whatsoever rather than the entitlement to it that we associate with incels. In fact, his first victims are the ones that felt entitled to womens attention/affection And he's not even really.... jealous of anyone in the film. The... uh.... kid.... in the film, he's not resentful or jealous of, he is trying to get attention/connection there just as much. MasterSitsu has issued a correction as of 01:19 on Oct 6, 2019 |
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http://www.outono.net/elentir/2019/10/05/joker-the-perverse-idea-that-this-formally-excellent-film-promotes/ I found an anti-Marxist Joker review that hates it for the same reasons I liked it. quote:“Joker” introduces us to the protagonist as a victim of violence and injustice. So far this film has a common element with many other cinematographic works that have not generated any controversy. In addition, the Joker is an upset man, to the point that it causes you grief. Again, there is nothing wrong with a movie raising that issue. The problem comes when the movie presents the Joker as a victim of the “system”. Several times that word is mentioned during the feature film. But also, and here comes what I liked least, the film tells the story of the Joker in a way that supports that idea: the rich are portrayed as heartless to those who do not care about the fate of those who have less (Thomas Wayne, which in other films is a philanthropist, this time it is a scoundrel and refers to those disadvantaged as “clowns”), so that the violence of those disadvantaged against the rich ends up looking like understandable and logical.
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MasterSitsu posted:http://www.outono.net/elentir/2019/10/05/joker-the-perverse-idea-that-this-formally-excellent-film-promotes/ sounds like he lives in a society
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love being a rube who thinks philanthropy isn't a scam
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# ? Oct 6, 2019 01:39 |
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haven't seen it but it sounds like it would've been even better if they had thomas wayne be like that and still be a philanthropist like real-life billionaires
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# ? Oct 6, 2019 01:40 |
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vyelkin posted:haven't seen it but it sounds like it would've been even better if they had thomas wayne be like that and still be a philanthropist like real-life billionaires It'd be a more interesting topic for a Batman movie, where Bruce Wayne's image of his father is contradicted by the reality that was hidden from him and the public. The guy that kills Thomas Wayne wouldn't be like a thug, but some guy that was unjustly fired. There's lots of ways you could explore it.
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# ? Oct 6, 2019 01:43 |
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https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10156278766436857 LOLOLOLOL quote:On Wednesday night I attended the New York Film Festival and witnessed a cinematic masterpiece, the film that last month won the top prize as the Best Film of the Venice International Film Festival. It’s called “Joker” — and all we Americans have heard about this movie is that we should fear it and stay away from it. We’ve been told it’s violent and sick and morally corrupt — an incitement and celebration of murder. We’ve been told that police will be at every screening this weekend in case of “trouble.” Our country is in deep despair, our constitution is in shreds, a rogue maniac from Queens has access to the nuclear codes — but for some reason, it’s a movie we should be afraid of.
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# ? Oct 6, 2019 02:00 |
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I want a Batman movie where he fucks and kills other billionaires and at the end of the movie he tops himself
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# ? Oct 6, 2019 02:00 |
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watch american psycho
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# ? Oct 6, 2019 02:01 |
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the more I hear about Joker it sounds heavy handed as gently caress.
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cargo cult posted:watch american psycho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzN3qO-qc8U
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk15H6PjBis
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Percelus posted:i remember i saw some famous artist speak at mason gross instead of regular class when i took a 101 course for fun and the art kids in the audience kept trying to ask the most pretentious questions and she wasn't having it but instead talked about how pulp trash like dick tracey inspired her and that people from the midwest drink from the bottom of the barrel culturally and enjoy it this is just the classic "mass culture vs. popular culture" question
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they should make the movie gregg turkington always wanted with james bond, r2d2, bilbo baggins and spiderman
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