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So given the chapter naming convention and what Eren says at the end can it be inferred that Ymir was the one subconsciously pulling the strings for the events to happen? Like Eren was the one that fit the pieces together but ultimately it was Ymirs will?
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Oct 5, 2019 13:40
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This is a weird adaptation of Chrono Cross.
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Oct 5, 2019 13:41
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Cao Ni Ma posted:So given the chapter naming convention and what Eren says at the end can it be inferred that Ymir was the one subconsciously pulling the strings for the events to happen? Like Eren was the one that fit the pieces together but ultimately it was Ymirs will?
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Oct 5, 2019 14:05
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To be fair to Zeke there's no way he'd know much about Ymir's nature or history. Presumably Eren's seen everything via his powers, but Zeke's likely still just barely grasping everything as it comes, since concrete information has been so difficult to come by. He's perpetuating the cycle of exploiting Ymir because he has no reason to know any better. His knowledge base is barely above thinking it's all crazy unfathomable magic. Most of the science/research seemed to only be done recently and in Paradis anyway.
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Oct 5, 2019 17:21
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Beefstew posted:This is a weird adaptation of Chrono Cross. There should be more, imo
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Oct 5, 2019 17:43
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Wait did they gouge her eyes out, and then hunt her down with dogs? It’s hard to tell since they were doing Dramatic Flashback Eye-Shading.
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Oct 5, 2019 19:18
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Wait did they gouge her eyes out, and then hunt her down with dogs? It’s hard to tell since they were doing Dramatic Flashback Eye-Shading. I think they gouged one eye out as part of the punishment.
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Oct 5, 2019 19:32
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I think they gouged one eye out as part of the punishment. I did like how all of the eyes were hollow/shaded until the very end when Ymir realizes she has a choice.
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Oct 5, 2019 19:46
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I think they gouged one eye out as part of the punishment. That's what I got out of it, since she could obviously see.
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Oct 5, 2019 20:17
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And I suppose it was the Attack Titan in her which motivated her to free the pigs ?
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Oct 5, 2019 20:23
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:And I suppose it was the Attack Titan in her which motivated her to free the pigs ? I read it as she was scapegoated by everyone around her and she willingly took the blame
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Oct 5, 2019 20:30
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:And I suppose it was the Attack Titan in her which motivated her to free the pigs ? I thought the implication there was that she was just a scapegoat for the rest, because she was small and weak and the least likely to protest her innocence and try to blame someone else. edit: beaten.
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Oct 5, 2019 20:33
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I wonder if she had her tongue cut out like the people at the beginning of the flashback. That'd make it quite a bit harder to deny freeing pigs.
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Oct 5, 2019 20:33
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I think they gouged one eye out as part of the punishment. Nah, the blood is dripping down from her forehead: she must've hurt her head while running away. Gibbering posted:I wonder if she had her tongue cut out like the people at the beginning of the flashback. That'd make it quite a bit harder to deny freeing pigs. All slaves had their tongues cut. You can see her standing in line behind the man having his removed.
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Oct 5, 2019 20:35
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iamsosmrt posted:To be fair to Zeke there's no way he'd know much about Ymir's nature or history. Presumably Eren's seen everything via his powers, but Zeke's likely still just barely grasping everything as it comes, since concrete information has been so difficult to come by. He's perpetuating the cycle of exploiting Ymir because he has no reason to know any better. His knowledge base is barely above thinking it's all crazy unfathomable magic. Most of the science/research seemed to only be done recently and in Paradis anyway. On the other hand, he did just hear Eren tell Ymir that she's not a slave and that she's free to chose, and he still commanded her to obey him.
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Oct 5, 2019 20:39
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All she wanted for 2000 years was a hug. The attack titan is really the hug titan, prove me wrong.
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Oct 5, 2019 20:55
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil Saw a reddit post a long time ago that guessed the 9 titans were related to the 9 Norse worlds. Ymir entering that giant tree pretty much confirms it. "Yggdrasil supported by 3 roots" is a good parallel to the first 3 lights extending for Maria Rose and Sina. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanaheimr Vanaheimr is home to gods who can foresee the future so that's clearly the Attack Titan. Not sure what the other 8 are. e: Diving into this a little more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k The fated Ragnarok is a good parallel to the Rumbling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADf_and_L%C3%ADf%C3%BErasir Lif and Lifprasir are the two survivors of Ragnarok who reproduce the world after Ragnarok. Maybe this is related to Historia and whoever her child's father is (probably Eren?). Sub Harrison fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Oct 5, 2019 21:24
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Conspiratiorist posted:All slaves had their tongues cut. You can see her standing in line behind the man having his removed. 
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Oct 6, 2019 00:29
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Presumably her tongue was regenerated after she gained the titan power. But her lack of speech might be further evidence that she really internalized her servitude.
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Oct 6, 2019 03:25
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witchcore ricepunk posted:Presumably her tongue was regenerated after she gained the titan power. But her lack of speech might be further evidence that she really internalized her servitude. I mean, if her tongue was cut before or while she was learning to speak, she was probably never really taught how to really speak for real MechaX fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Oct 6, 2019 |
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Oct 6, 2019 04:32
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Isayama is good at setting things up, huh? 
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Oct 6, 2019 06:02
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What would you call this expression, fatalistic horror? 
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Oct 6, 2019 07:20
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Revelation.
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Oct 6, 2019 07:22
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so what is going on there on pages just before it cuts to the walls again? Zeke pulling heads off? The spine thing is interesting.
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Oct 6, 2019 07:53
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Peacoffee posted:so what is going on there on pages just before it cuts to the walls again? Zeke pulling heads off? The spine thing is interesting. That's Zeke catching Eren's head, the event that triggered this whole thing. The spine thing is presumably Ymir regenerating Eren's spinal cord so he doesn't die.
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Oct 6, 2019 07:57
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Peacoffee posted:so what is going on there on pages just before it cuts to the walls again? Zeke pulling heads off? The spine thing is interesting. Ymir grows Eren a new spine to his body, their little memory jaunt happened in an instant so its still the same second as when Zeke caught his head to begin with.
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Oct 6, 2019 08:00
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Peacoffee posted:so what is going on there on pages just before it cuts to the walls again? Zeke pulling heads off? The spine thing is interesting. It's a jump back to reality, which had been stuck at the instant Eren's head (which had been shot off by Gabi's anti-materiel rifle) made contact with Zeke's hand. Presumably using the power of Ymir, in a flash Eren's head was reconnected back to his spine, which then got pulled out of his body as he began transforming into a titan so he could survive.
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Oct 6, 2019 08:02
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RatHat posted:That's Zeke catching Eren's head, the event that triggered this whole thing. The spine thing is presumably Ymir regenerating Eren's spinal cord so he doesn't die.
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Oct 6, 2019 08:04
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When it cuts back to Gabi, we see she's still falling over from the recoil of the rifle, so the amount of time it took from her pulling the trigger to the Apocalypse was maybe half a second.
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Oct 6, 2019 10:01
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There are lots of small touches you can appreciate, like Zeke looking very similar in some pages to King Fritz, with the beard. That's not by chance, It's a way to reinforce visually how the Zeke's orders weren't so different than the first King.
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Oct 6, 2019 12:40
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Looking back at everything even the giant trees make a whole lot of loving sense now
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Oct 6, 2019 14:06
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Is also interesting that Ymir herself was never eldian, she was a slave to the eldians edit: this is the kind of stuff that makes problematic to draw comparisons between the eldians and real life persecuted minorities. The facts we are presented are: they really did oppressed and terrorized the world, and now we know they were like this from the start edit 2: just to be clear: Im not saying Isayama is a fascist or meant this or that. What Im saying is that post-basement reveal, there was a lot of parallels draw between their situation and the situation of historical persecuted peoples, for obvious reasons. And we know persecuted minorities are often accused of horrible past or present crimes in order to be dehumanized, for the cruelty against them to be right and justified. And with eldians it is exactly like that, except that is all true: they ancestors are really guilty of horrible crimes and they are literally not exactly human Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Oct 6, 2019 |
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Oct 6, 2019 14:09
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Elias_Maluco posted:Is also interesting that Ymir herself was never eldian, she was a slave to the eldians But even in that case, oppression is completely unjustified. Plenty of ethnic minorities persecuted today have a violent past if you go far enough; this doesn't mean that Hitler was right all along. Collateral punishment is always a bullshit excuse invented to freely persecute a group while still pretending to have a moral high ground.
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Oct 6, 2019 16:13
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The way I'm viewing it is that though they're all called Eldians now after 2000 years of bloodline dilution and cannibalism, the Children of Ymir have always been slaves to either the Eldian or Marley rulers. And children of today do not deserve their fate just because they are also Fucker King Fritz's descendants.
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Oct 6, 2019 16:17
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Yeah, the fact the titan part of their ancestry comes not from the original eldians, but from a slave, and it was mixed with eldian blood through rape and cannibalism complicates things further
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Oct 6, 2019 16:29
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Looking back at everything even the giant trees make a whole lot of loving sense now ... wait does that mean the giant tree forests are literally titan trees? Might they all have an alien spine creature beneath them?
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Oct 6, 2019 16:30
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Captain_duck posted:... wait does that mean the giant tree forests are literally titan trees? Might they all have an alien spine creature beneath them? I dont think that is implied on any way. The titans didint come from Paradis, the tree Ymir entered was on the continent
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Oct 6, 2019 16:36
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I guess it's possible Paradis could have been part of the continent two thousand years ago and only became an island afterwards. That's a pretty major geological change but in Attack on Titan everything's upside down and way bigger so...
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Oct 6, 2019 16:48
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So one thing I'm not clear on, is the King shown in this chapter the one who makes anyone royal who inherits the Founding Titan become a pacifist and isolationist or was that a different king, like the one who moved the Eldians to Paradis in the first place?
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Oct 6, 2019 16:58
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Looking back at everything even the giant trees make a whole lot of loving sense now Can you elaborate? I don't think they are anything other than cool feature Isayama wanted to put in Paradis island. EvilTaytoMan posted:So one thing I'm not clear on, is the King shown in this chapter the one who makes anyone royal who inherits the Founding Titan become a pacifist and isolationist or was that a different king, like the one who moved the Eldians to Paradis in the first place? King in this chapter is 2000 years in the past. The Pacifist king was ~120 years in the past.
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