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Freaking Crumbum posted:yeah, but batman wasn't created as some kind of socialist or communist themed hero who fought for the common good of the proletariat by waging war against their capitalist oppressors. I think the only awareness about this on the whole by creators not trying to push a particular agenda (Miller) is the start of the fig leaf where his giant corporation does a shitton of charitable giving and has a load of charitable foundations to its name and tries to keep its hands clean of any weapons development or how Bruce will occasionally direct any people in need that he sees or saves to either one of his charities or his friend, Leslie Tompkins who receives tons of donations from him for her free clinic. All of this depends on who's the writer at any given time though and how much focus these elements are given, but generally, it up to the particular writer and what scope they want for Batman. The Green Arrow series definitely examined that more closely at the end of its run before, but it ended before it really explored an even deeper criticism from the left for a character already considered to be relatively Left leaning.
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Serf posted:i'm watching dragon ball and this show is one sex joke after another. every episode seems to find more indignities to heap onto poor bulma jesus christ Wait until you see child Chi-Chi’s clothes. A fuckin battle bikini on a kid barely older than Goku at the time.
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Oct 8, 2019 08:37
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the Wayne Foundation sounds good until you learn about how it led the push to introduce charter schools into Gotham and was complicit in sex trafficking in Latveria
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Atrocious Joe posted:Batman was created in 1939, which was a time when socialist and communist movements were far stronger than they are today. I don't think blaming the time period of the character's creation is the reason the character sucks in a lot of stuff. And he's moved back in that direction over the last decade or so in large part thanks to Morrison going "I thought it was hosed up to write about a rich man beating the poo poo out of the poor" and unilaterally not doing that anymore It's also worth noting that in his war on crime Bruce Wayne spends at least as much of his infinite money on creating charities to help people in poverty as he does on being Batman, and employs a lot of guys at Wayne * that used to be henchmen Because he knows that the way to really beat crime is to make it so nobody has to do crime to survive
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Oct 8, 2019 10:18
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But also I just enjoy Batman so everything I say about him should be taken with a handfil of salt it's not like he's Dredd
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Oct 8, 2019 10:20
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I kinda smiled at the idea of turning Wayne Manor into a gigantic halfway house
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Oct 8, 2019 11:10
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I can see how Batman could work better if he were explicitly doing community policing and very pointedly refuse to work with actual cops because acab. This would require him not to be a rich guy so he'd actually have a community to live in tho
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Oct 8, 2019 11:40
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woke batman.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:someone brought up Zootopia in the bad thread and it reminded me of something that bothered me. I've only seen it once so maybe I missed something or am misremembering, but the whole "predators vs. prey" framing they use to discuss racism really bothered me, because the predators are meant to be seen as a mistreated underclass that have to suppress their inborn primal urges lest they hurt the innocent non-predators around them wait which thread is the bad thread i made this thread because pop culture chat kept leaking into inappropriate cspam threads i didnt think i was replacing a bad d and d version or something to better address your point in the context of zootopia the inborn primal urges are something thats made up solely so that evil herbivores can take power and unperson the carnivores this is not however a metaphor that makes very much sense since unless there was once a time when carnivores were actually eating herbivores just to be assholes the entire existence of this stereotype is nonsensical the analogy really doesnt work for even more basic reasons than that though since there are massive physical differences between the various animals that do not even remotely map to racial prejudice in the real world Serf posted:i'm watching dragon ball and this show is one sex joke after another. every episode seems to find more indignities to heap onto poor bulma jesus christ the original or super i vaguely remember that z sidestepped the sexism issues by just making the plot be about stereotypical anime fights yes i am aware that term is anachronistic in this context since dragon ball z is the show that created those stereotypes in the first place
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Oct 8, 2019 11:57
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Some Guy TT posted:the original or super i vaguely remember that z sidestepped the sexism issues by just making the plot be about stereotypical anime fights the original. in the last episode i watched bulma gets roofied by the horny pigman character and his plan is to grope her while she's asleep. the show also seems to treat panties like currency
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Oct 8, 2019 12:11
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Don’t forget the several episodes of her wearing a playboy bunny costume.
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Oct 8, 2019 12:31
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dragon Ball super has a thing where roshi has to train for a while to not be a horny pervert all the time. because it's a weakness in a fight you see, not because being a sex pest is bad.
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Oct 8, 2019 12:33
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also i never thought i would see goku's dick and balls so many times
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dragonball is insanely creepy with Bulma yeah. Though it shouldn’t be a surprise Toryiama literally wrote a comic where the punchline was rape
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Oct 8, 2019 15:02
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Remember when Batman had a villain in the early 2000s that was just a teenaged anarchist
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Forceholy posted:What did you guys think about the South Park episode about this very subject? I thought it was OK, but Parker and Stone are libertarians who are rich enough to not face reprocussions. The episode did get South Park "banned" in China, but it's not like they will give a poo poo.
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Oct 8, 2019 15:39
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The season of anime that just ended had a few shows about totally not America and their horrible immigration policies and practices being the bad guy. We are the baddies.
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get that OUT of my face posted:who gives a poo poo about South Park anymore? it's almost exclusively relied on topical humor for years now. the political bent of such episodes has been discussed to death, so i won't bother doing that. instead i'll talk about it from a comedy angle- those episodes are destined to age terribly, and many of them already have. for a show that famously trashed Family Guy, it shares the same kind of winking and nudging "reference as the joke" humor that assumes that you get the joke Basically this but the episode is pretty good anyways and good on them for taking one for the team, I guess. I will say watching South Park reckon with its past over the last couple years has been interesting to me if nothing else.
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Oct 8, 2019 16:08
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south park is the only comedy series ive seen that got really poo poo and then actually turned it around and got a little better
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get that OUT of my face posted:who gives a poo poo about South Park anymore? i'm loving stunned that both the simpsons, family guy and south park are still being aired with regular new seasons. i cannot fathom the audience for these ancient rear end shows that all had their peak decades ago yet will apparently exist in syndication in perpetuity until the eventual heat death of the universe. i mean i know the answer is that they're still wildly lucrative from a licensing and merchandising perspective, but i can't even imagine who is buying the toys and lunch boxes and graphic tees, nor for whom they are being purchased. is it an entire economy of confused grandparents that know their grandkid liked the simpsons back in 1998 and now forever buy bart simpson "eat my shorts man" merchandise any time they pass it at wal-mart?
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Some Guy TT posted:wait which thread is the bad thread i made this thread because pop culture chat kept leaking into inappropriate cspam threads i didnt think i was replacing a bad d and d version or something I just use that phrase to mean the D&D primary thread specifically
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huh i thought you might be referring to the cined animation thread which definitely has some d and d elements namely their guileless willingness to assume the best about disney and pixars production practices
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MasterSitsu posted:Basically this but the episode is pretty good anyways and good on them for taking one for the team, I guess. I will say watching South Park reckon with its past over the last couple years has been interesting to me if nothing else. Farm Frenzy posted:south park is the only comedy series ive seen that got really poo poo and then actually turned it around and got a little better Freaking Crumbum posted:i'm loving stunned that both the simpsons, family guy and south park are still being aired with regular new seasons. i cannot fathom the audience for these ancient rear end shows that all had their peak decades ago yet will apparently exist in syndication in perpetuity until the eventual heat death of the universe.
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Honestly I can't remember the last time I saw any merchandise for Simpsons and South Park in any store. Where can you even get Bart shirts and Cartman coffee mugs and the like?
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Upmarket Mango posted:Honestly I can't remember the last time I saw any merchandise for Simpsons and South Park in any store. Where can you even get Bart shirts and Cartman coffee mugs and the like? do what south americans do and make your own imo, gently caress copyright laws  hypebeast
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get that OUT of my face posted:sorry if it felt like that post was targeting you, i didn't mean to do that. it just feels like South Park isn't in the general public consciousness anymore the wild thing with the simpsons is, every time there's a dispute between the VAs and FOX about whether or not they'll sign on for X more seasons, the VAs all demand absurd salary increases and they almost always got them! fox is paying each of the simpsons VAs $300,000 dollars per episode, and what are they earning back on that? is buying commercial air-time during the simpsons as expensive as purchasing an ad slot during the superbowl? if they aren't covering the cost by selling advertising, where else are they making up the profit?
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KomradeX posted:Remember when Batman had a villain in the early 2000s that was just a teenaged anarchist by far the best part of arkham origins too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvIRIfclsXI
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KomradeX posted:Remember when Batman had a villain in the early 2000s that was just a teenaged anarchist Created by Alan "humor is bad for Dredd because it detracts from the message that fascism is bad" Grant You know Inarguably the second most important guy to work on the character
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get that OUT of my face posted:
Yes and no, in that the season relied on Hillary winning the election, and since they don't plan far enough ahead, they were kind of left scrambling to tie everything back together.
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Oct 8, 2019 23:35
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southpark peaked with the dawson creek trapper keeper episode and all of their hot takes on current events are total garbage ranging from climate change denial, cheerleading for the iraq war, cheerleading for prosecution of whistleblowers, the list goes on
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Oct 8, 2019 23:40
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Weird way to spell Scott Tenorman But really any episode that's just kids being assholes and everything getting out of hand (or adults being idiots and everything getting out of hand) I'd probably fine, it's when they try to have a point or reference pop culture that it falls apart
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Oct 9, 2019 00:05
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Like the one where everyone decides to ignore Cartman but th h forget to tell butters so they think Cartman is dead and only butters can see him and they're making fruit baskets to atone for csrtmans many sins is wonderful
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CharlestheHammer posted:dragonball is insanely creepy with Bulma yeah. Though it shouldn’t be a surprise Toryiama literally wrote a comic where the punchline was rape Was that Dr Slump
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Serf posted:i'm watching dragon ball and this show is one sex joke after another. every episode seems to find more indignities to heap onto poor bulma jesus christ would you rather it be about a really strong guy showing up and the cast having to deal with that Uncle Wemus posted:Was that Dr Slump no it was a one-shot about a lady who wanted to be a super hero but ended up getting raped. by a dude who looked suspciously like the tournament announcer from dragonball. and became prostitute as a result
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Kumiko The Treasure Hunter is really loving good but it's impossible to convince anyone of that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8htA6LR6u-Y Anyways watch it
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Stairmaster posted:would you rather it be about a really strong guy showing up and the cast having to deal with that dbz was good, yeah. but i am enjoying dragon ball just for how weird it is
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Percelus posted:southpark peaked with the dawson creek trapper keeper episode and all of their hot takes on current events are total garbage ranging from climate change denial, cheerleading for the iraq war, cheerleading for prosecution of whistleblowers, the list goes on
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from what I’ve seen cartman has gone from being a outright nazi shithead to being “woke” and pc to the point of parody but I don’t watch it regularly so maybe the nazi stuff is still there too somewhere
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the tragedy of Trey and Matt is that they can be really funny when they want to, but they'd rather preach. kind of like a lot of mainstream comedy in general, except for their different politics
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