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darealkooky posted:this wouldn't be a problem if mobas weren't an inherently shallow game Lol Edit: yeah if you ignore how you build the hero and what position you're playing them in and the hundreds of items and the order you're getting them in and all the actual moment to moment decisions you're making just focusnon how every hero only has 4 to 5 spells and different stat growths and base stats it's all pretty simple. Seriously you're the first person to call MOBAs shallow. The biggest complaint from new players is theres way too much ahit to learn and understand ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 04:02
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Firstborn posted:Also, Mobas are lovely. I mean I dunno how that's different from fight games
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Oct 8, 2019 04:06
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Let David Sirlin make a moba
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Oct 8, 2019 04:10
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MOBAs are WarCraft 3 except with a tiny fraction of the execution requirements and four other people to blame your failures on, which explains their enduring popularity. They have a really high knowledge-based barrier to entry but the two measures aren't really fungible.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I mean I dunno how that's different from fight games mobas, statistically speaking, have about 10 times more people calling me racial slurs after a match than fighting games though fighting game matches are over in about 1/10th of the time (1/2 of the time if it's DBFZ) so it evens out
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You can tell how big brain a game is by how little money you get for winning at it.
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Reiley posted:You can tell how big brain a game is by how little money you get for winning at it. welcome to slap city
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mobas are complicated because they rely on teamwork. organizing five people playing relatively simple characters is harder than one person trying to play one hard character, imo.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:yeah if you ignore how you build the hero and what position you're playing them in and the hundreds of items and the order you're getting them in and all the actual moment to moment decisions you're making just focusnon how every hero only has 4 to 5 spells and different stat growths and base stats it's all pretty simple. 1: you look up whatever is the optimal build order for the "type" of hero you're using (carry, jungler, ect ect) and do it, making slight adjustments for what stat your hero favors. 2/3: are determined by what hero you play because very very few heroes in modern mobas are able to do more than one role well and the players are so toxic you'll get shouted down for experimenting anyway 4: is largely determined by what kind of hero you're using and generally involves following your flowchart for 30 something minutes and if you or anyone on your team makes a mistake before then (someone gets killed because they pushed too close to a tower, for example) then the inertia is such that you've often lost the game right there unless the other side makes an equal or greater mistake. also mobas have generally bled out a lot of the more subtle mechanics from dota/wc3 over the years like denying or miss chance for shooting up a hill leaving them not a lot more to fall back on besides "don't get caught with your pants down" pro moba matches are just everyone doing their task for a while and then when everyone is properly equipped and farmed there's a game of cat and mouse and then whoever messes up first causes a snowball effect and its over
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Endorph posted:mobas are complicated because they rely on teamwork. organizing five people playing relatively simple characters is harder than one person trying to play one hard character, imo. This is true but dareal's point was that they're shallow which is just...wrong on the face of it. darealkooky posted:going through your points in order... Wrong on your first point. The winners of Dota 2's International frequently played characters slotted as hard supports as their Position 1 Main carries and usual carries as supports. This is like saying "Fighting games are all shallow because all you do is Auto combo". Nah the existance of multiple roles/lanes/playstles for each hero means you can often do a lot of things with aach one. (Unless you're playing LoL where Riot keeps a loving iron rod up the rear end of the meta and specifically punishes players from any deviation too great, but saying that's the usual situation is a kin to saying every Fighting game is bad because SFV's support was a nightmare) The rest of your points are also as stupid but the last bit is extra weird because the entire push and pull of the meta is constantly shaking up that style of play. Hell the few games the TI winners lost was because the enemy just decided to hard push and never let up and gently caress up their timing on XP or Items just enough to hold off whoever from getting a foot in the door. You're talking about LoL which isn't the norm for MOBA's and you're trying to spin off all your complaints about that to the genre at large. So as I originally said, lol. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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darealkooky posted:going through your points in order...
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the only moba I played at a decent level was Awesomenauts and that flowchart isnt really how it worked at all
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darealkooky posted:going through your points in order...
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Countblanc posted:the only moba I played at a decent level was Awesomenauts and that flowchart isnt really how it worked at all It's because Kooky is thinking of one game specifically and using that to stand in for the whole genre. But even if it were the whole the game having highly structured roles for characters doesn't mean the game as a whole is shallow, because while oyu might just be doign the one thing you've got 9 otehr people and all the creeps and towers and items and everything else going on all at once. SO even in their weird assumptions of the genre they're wrong.
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dobas are garbage poo poo because one game takes like 5 hours and thats like the same amount of time i can play two dragonball fighterz matches
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kirbysuperstar posted:Let David Sirlin make a moba Yeah it's about time he moved onto ripping off GG2
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mobas are like trump, by no reasoning they should rule over anything and they they do and people still like them
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Do they still. I thought eSports was all CSGO and Overwatch these days.
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And SFV of course. Tokyo 2020 hype.
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[watching dota match] when will they show the True Gameplay
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In Training posted:Do they still. I thought eSports was all CSGO and Overwatch these days. Dota's big tournament TI consistently is the biggest money event in esports. It's the
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Teppen run it
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Dota's big tournament TI consistently is the biggest money event in esports. It's the This is mostly because they crowdfund the money and people love that poo poo.
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In Training posted:Do they still. I thought eSports was all CSGO and Overwatch these days. Do people actually watch OWL? CharlestonJew posted:mobas, statistically speaking, have about 10 times more people calling me racial slurs after a match than fighting games 3S on fightcade singlehandedly pulls it back to an even chance.
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Oct 8, 2019 07:24
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Arzachel posted:Do people actually watch OWL? I think blizzard sets up bribes with skins.
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I think probably like 40 people worldwide actually watch OWL
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apparently 1.12 million people watched the finals. and they're getting tv deals and crap. People freaking love Overwatch
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Hm. Different genres have different gameplay conventions. Interesting.
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In Training posted:Apparently 1.12 million people watched the finals and they're getting tv deals and crap. People freaking love Overwatch How many of those were from open launchers counting as viewers because of the embedded stream on it though. LoL has gotten called on doing this hokey tactic before too, where the amount of people actually going and watching it was a giant deal lower than what they claimed, because just having the client open was counting a whoooole lot of additional 'viewers' cause of the bit I said before.
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Yardbomb posted:How many of those were from the launcher counting as viewers because of the embedded stream on it though. LoL has gotten called on doing this hokey tactic before too, where the amount of people actually going and watching it was a massive deal lower than what they claimed, because just having the client open was counting a whoooole lot of additional 'viewers' because of the bit I said before. Probably a gently caress load. but thats how esports works if they want that ad money.
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MOBAds
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Quitting MOBAs was the best decision I made in my life
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MechaX posted:They need to bring back Testament before anything else. The story mode needs to end with Sol finally about to do it but then Ramlethal is like DON'T DO IT SOL!! THAT MAN IS OUR... followed by a teaser for ASW vs. SNK Also like, for real, where the gently caress is Testament. 
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JP Samsho is going to get some crossover costumes with Puzzle and Dragons, they look kind of neat. https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000323.000028651.html      And Dengeki Online is going to stream Basara gameplay Oct. 11 1 AM PDT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd1jManwPUs
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Shiki looks doofy but I do want that Genjuro, also Basara should be cool to see in action.
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Hey I just got Steam on my Macbook. I used to play in fighting game tournaments ages ages ago, but don't know how to get back into it. Are there sticks I can use?
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If it has a USB port then probably, the majority of sticks also work on a computer. Unless you're asking are there personal sticks period, which case yes there's a whole slew of them, qanba, hori, razer, madcatz, etokki are all well liked brands.
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inthesto posted:Quitting MOBAs was the best decision I made in my life It's meth for nerds. Extremely addictive and makes you hate everything that's between you and your next high
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