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CharlestheHammer posted:the idea that would won’t remember pop culture in the future is pretty funny. Like yeah the forgotten movie jaws extremely weird point lol. theres tons of crap that was huge in the 70s that nobody remembers
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:GoldenEye sucks tho I think it's fine and one of the better 90s Bronson Bond movies, but you could easily pick even the worst of the Roger Moore movies are mostly rememberable compared to the Marvel movies.
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Oct 14, 2019 15:36
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its weird that the bond franchise has been so big for 60 years without there being an equivalent to empire strikes back that everyone can point to as actually good
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Oct 14, 2019 15:38
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Farm Frenzy posted:its weird that the bond franchise has been so big for 60 years without there being an equivalent to empire strikes back that everyone can point to as actually good its From Russia With Love and like star wars the series only has like a 20% success rate
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Oct 14, 2019 15:41
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James Bond is weighted down by the fact it's a dumb male wish fulfillment fantasy. Even trash like Golgo 13 is better, solely for the fact it never pretends Golgo is anything other than a murderous psychopath whereas James Bond is a hero for serving - THE BRITISH EMPIRE? uh-oooooh
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I actually really like the casino Royale 2000whatever version but yeah from Russia with love is the series high point
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:James Bond is weighted down by the fact it's a dumb male wish fulfillment fantasy. Even trash like Golgo 13 is better, solely for the fact it never pretends Golgo is anything other than a murderous psychopath whereas James Bond is a hero for serving - THE BRITISH EMPIRE? uh-oooooh Didn't they embrace the Bond is a psychopath with these Craig Bond movies?
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KomradeX posted:Didn't they embrace the Bond is a psychopath with these Craig Bond movies? I dunno, I haven't really bothered watching the post-90s James Bond movies. If I did it'd be the one with Javier Bardem.
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Oct 14, 2019 15:51
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KomradeX posted:Didn't they embrace the Bond is a psychopath with these Craig Bond movies? yes
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Oct 14, 2019 15:52
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craig bond is clinically depressed but also loves killing people
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:James Bond is weighted down by the fact it's a dumb male wish fulfillment fantasy. Even trash like Golgo 13 is better, solely for the fact it never pretends Golgo is anything other than a murderous psychopath whereas James Bond is a hero for serving - THE BRITISH EMPIRE? uh-oooooh uh Golgo 13 is loving rad thank you very much the French wine culture episode is a greatest of all time loving instant classic
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Oct 14, 2019 16:05
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KomradeX posted:Didn't they embrace the Bond is a psychopath with these Craig Bond movies? Yeah casino Royale in particular is very open about how he's just a freak who loves doing murders and this is how he gets to do it legally
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Oct 14, 2019 16:07
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The Craig movies are also the closest weve gotten to canonizing the idea that James Bond is a codename attached to the 007 designation given to multiple different agents over the years, which would neatly explain away the tonal differences ovee the decades
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Serf posted:yeah i think the movie is about misogyny in a way, but it isn't misogynistic. it seemed to be about the artistic process, and the muse archetype/stereotype i thought the relationship between her and the author/god/husband was interesting, because she's everything, and he's really nothing. he's "god," but he's nothing. he has authority because people think he does. she is nature. she is the whole of creation. he's not. and nature, as a whole, is not as pretty as jennifer lawrence. nature is full of flies and locusts and storms and floods and disease and all kinds of bad things. but to turn that into jennifer lawerence, the fertile, all welcoming Mother Earth, you have to excise all that bad and put it somewhere else. you create a male figure and attribute all the bad things in nature to Him (and then many religions banish him to the sky so he's far away while Mother Earth stays close). but the bad things are also the powerful things: the hurricane, the thunderstorm. making Mother Nature less scary also makes her weak while privileging this illusory male figure. i havent seen the movie.
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Anyway the actual best bond film is the short movie you create by clipping out the scene in Dr No where he checks into his hotel and methodically looks for bugs and sets up his traps to see if someone's come in and rooted around, it's played with no dialog and the music is subdued as poo poo and it does an incredible job communicating in the first film that he's done this before, many times, and he's very good at it
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Farm Frenzy posted:its weird that the bond franchise has been so big for 60 years without there being an equivalent to empire strikes back that everyone can point to as actually good its both the dalton movies
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:i thought the relationship between her and the author/god/husband was interesting, because she's everything, and he's really nothing. he's "god," but he's nothing. he has authority because people think he does. she is nature. she is the whole of creation. he's not. my issue here is that flies, locusts, storms, floods etc. all rule and are extremely metal. beauty encompasses many things
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get that OUT of my face posted:i'm convinced that a big reason why nu-metal was popular was that middle-school aged boys in the late '90s wanted an alternative to boy bands. i should know, i was one of them That's kind of exactly my point. It was an explicit rejection poptimism when they were experiencing ever increasing levels in alienation and (to lesser but to still significant extent) becoming aware of the injustices inherent in the system. This often manifested into embarrassing amounts of self-pity, but that's why nu-metal fans had so much potential to be leftists. Unfortunately, most ended becoming politically nihilistic or even outright CHUDs because the people who could've done outreach didn't want to look lame in front of the lifestylists.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Hell Harry Potter doesn’t have anything like that and it’s still going strong despite how hard Rowling is trying to kill it Serf posted:i like the marvel movies well enough and i think there's plenty of memorable stuff from them, but there's just too loving much. there's an assload of movies and they're putting them out too fast, so by the time you've seen one, there's another one coming up. they put the loving trailer for at least 2 more movies in the credits of the one you're seeing in the theater. and now i'd say its pretty well saturated beyond the ability to hold your interest. i watched the new spider-man movie a few days ago and all i remember is that gyllenhall is hot Plank Walker posted:mcu movies are basically let's plays of video games that only the director is allowed to play
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MizPiz posted:That's kind of exactly my point. It was an explicit rejection poptimism when they were experiencing ever increasing levels in alienation and (to lesser but to still significant extent) becoming aware of the injustices inherent in the system. This often manifested into embarrassing amounts of self-pity, but that's why nu-metal fans had so much potential to be leftists. Unfortunately, most ended becoming politically nihilistic or even outright CHUDs because the people who could've done outreach didn't want to look lame in front of the lifestylists. one reason among many to accept furries and juggalos
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:one reason among many to accept furries and juggalos Magic magic ninja whoop
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*mark fisher voice* as the crowd at woodstock '99 threw piss and cum at fred durst, they yearned for something different
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i need to dig up that long twitter thread of the guy who watched all the videos of Woodstock 99 performances, it's a trip
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speaking of music the nicest man in punk, jeff rosenstock, is releasing a live album friday with a limited edition triple lp up for preorder and even if you dont buythat you should donate to him/his donation based label that has existed since before kickstarter was a dream someone had http://quoteunquoterecords.com/albums.htm also he makes really good music about feeling hopeless and like you've hosed your life up and having lovely jobs, both as Jeff Rosenstock the band and as Bomb the Music Industry (rip)
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Farm Frenzy posted:*mark fisher voice* as the crowd at woodstock '99 threw piss and cum at fred durst, they yearned for something different adam curtis voice: and then the strangest thing happened *image of osama bin laden*
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Farm Frenzy posted:extremely weird point lol. theres tons of crap that was huge in the 70s that nobody remembers not really. I think the weird point is the one that is objectively incorrect personally. functionally this whole argument is an argument for why past pop culture is good and new pop is bad using arbitrary metrics
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KomradeX posted:That's something else that these, besides that these 23+ movies have maybe 5 lines that get quoted between all of them, they're are no stand out set pieces like running from the boulder, ripping the heart out, choosing the wrong grail, the Death Star trench run, the Canal chase from T2, anything from Aliens or any of the other rich stones of well cinema that have been absorbed into culture. It's like the opposite of Avatar that made a billion dollars but left no pop cultural foot print, these Marvel movies make so much money and god knows their toys and other related things are everywhere but nothing from there movies themselves have entered into our cultural history like these other scenes have. Maybe the elevator fight from Winter Solider? imo they're great for plane-rides and that is the only time i ever really sit down and watch em because on a 5-12 hr flight you can bang out a solid 2-6 of them, each way and helps you pass-out
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I’m so stoked for Eddy Murphy playing Rudy Ray Moore https://youtu.be/Ws1YIKsuTjQ
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in a group chat, i asked why The Simpsons aren't anywhere near the universally relatable '90s cultural touchstone today while Friends, of all shows, is. somebody answered and i think he hit the nail on the head: it was a show that was very late to the streaming game, and by the time it had its own section on FX streaming (coming soon Disney+ where it probably won't be promoted very much because gently caress you), Friends had been on Netflix for years
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Just noticed that while Family Guy has been running for like twenty years, the terrible Facebook memes (in classic Impact font image macro style) that it inspires utilize the least funny jokes from the first few seasons kinda follows the Simpsons rule of seasons 1-9 being the good and memorable ones
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get that OUT of my face posted:in a group chat, i asked why The Simpsons aren't anywhere near the universally relatable '90s cultural touchstone today while Friends, of all shows, is. somebody answered and i think he hit the nail on the head: it was a show that was very late to the streaming game, and by the time it had its own section on FX streaming (coming soon Disney+ where it probably won't be promoted very much because gently caress you), Friends had been on Netflix for years no it's because friends depicts an idealized view of the 90s lifestyle with 0 criticism thereof. it's 90s leave it to beaver
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get that OUT of my face posted:in a group chat, i asked why The Simpsons aren't anywhere near the universally relatable '90s cultural touchstone today while Friends, of all shows, is. somebody answered and i think he hit the nail on the head: it was a show that was very late to the streaming game, and by the time it had its own section on FX streaming (coming soon Disney+ where it probably won't be promoted very much because gently caress you), Friends had been on Netflix for years the simpsons is absolutely a universally relatable '90s cultural touchstone what are you talking about? there's a weird phenomenon of zoomers bingewatching friends because it's available on netflix but no one actually gives a poo poo about it and no one will care once its gone to whatever the gently caress
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Huh? On what planet is it where The Simpsons isn't a huge cultural touchstone?
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Oct 14, 2019 21:54
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gifs of the simpsons are more culturally relevant than friends lmao
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Gum would be perfection?!
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yeah people watch friends but you will probably hear someone make a simpsons reference without even knowing it. it’s that ingrained
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get that OUT of my face posted:in a group chat, i asked why The Simpsons aren't anywhere near the universally relatable '90s cultural touchstone today while Friends, of all shows, is. somebody answered and i think he hit the nail on the head: it was a show that was very late to the streaming game, and by the time it had its own section on FX streaming (coming soon Disney+ where it probably won't be promoted very much because gently caress you), Friends had been on Netflix for years A lot of people answered this better than I could but it's also worth noting that Friends had an ending whereas the Simpsons is still loving going.
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CharlestheHammer posted:yeah people watch friends but you will probably
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Even in my more liberal years, Friends was synonymous with privilege and whiteness. This is entirely through osmosis. I've seen maybe two full episodes of it.
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America https://twitter.com/IllyBocean/status/1183288141177712640
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