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Has anyone in this thread brought up the makita 40v stuff yet? As a makita person, I sure as poo poo ain't buying new batteries / tools. But i don't really need any new tools anyways so  ?
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Tres Burritos posted:Has anyone in this thread brought up the makita 40v stuff yet? As a makita person, I sure as poo poo ain't buying new batteries / tools. But i don't really need any new tools anyways so I'm waiting for the battery wars to enter the backpack models. Like a flamethrower just a cable connecting to your tool in hand.
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Oct 17, 2019 01:39
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JEEVES420 posted:I'm waiting for the battery wars to enter the backpack models. Like a flamethrower just a cable connecting to your tool in hand. Or a battery bank that's too big for the tool, it sits on the floor, maybe close to the wall and you have a cord that runs to it.
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Oct 17, 2019 02:11
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Meow Meow Meow posted:Or a battery bank that's too big for the tool, it sits on the floor, maybe close to the wall and you have a cord that runs to it.
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Oct 17, 2019 02:52
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JEEVES420 posted:I'm waiting for the battery wars to enter the backpack models. Like a flamethrower just a cable connecting to your tool in hand. This would work well for some tools. Others use the weight of the battery as a counterbalance and putting it in a backpack would make the tool more tiring, not less.
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Oct 17, 2019 03:01
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Meow Meow Meow posted:Or a battery bank that's too big for the tool, it sits on the floor, maybe close to the wall and you have a cord that runs to it. You know, I've often toyed with the idea of buying Ego's inverter so I can use my big 56V batteries for this very purpose
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Oct 17, 2019 03:46
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Are any of the benchtop 9" Bandsaws out there worth the money, or are they all just variations of rebranded chinese junk? I have a Ryobi bandsaw and..it’s a bandsaw which is a great thing to have for many things. I’d rank the small bandsaw up there pretty high on the list of tools to have. We redid hardwood floors and I needed all new thresholds cut to fit the weird shapes of the old house. Only a bandsaw could really do it.
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Oct 17, 2019 04:44
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Except for drills/drivers, I've always felt that the 'UGH CORDS!' complaint feels like the first 30 black and white seconds of the infomercial where the mom throws eggs all over the kitchen. Cordless, but with a cord to the battery, sounds like the next perfect solution looking for a problem. Derail to corded- I bought a corded Makita R.O. sander with bag and/or hose attachment to do a bit of flooring in my kitchen. 3 amps, whereas the old Porter Cable I've had for 20 years (no dust collection) that's gone through 2 pads is 5 amps. I literally could lean on the Makita with all my weight and it not bog down. It was worth every bit of the price just to sand 10 sq. ft of flooring in the kitchen with virtually no fwiggen dust released.  This color, this color right here!
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Oct 17, 2019 04:53
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I look forward to the day when you're got a cordless tool, that plugs in to a battery in the wall, and you have unlimited power for like days at a time and you have multiple..... Lets call them outlets around your house where you can plug in this cordless tool to get power for doing various household jobs. Also; What a good brand of bench top vise? In other words, whats a good Store brand vise? Currently at work we've got a beat rear end Princess auto one that has the jaw inserts missing and to loosen it you turn the handle one way a few turns, then pull the sliding jaw out, then turn the handle, pull etc. It didn't do that when we first got it.
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Oct 17, 2019 11:02
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JEEVES420 posted:I'm waiting for the battery wars to enter the backpack models. Like a flamethrower just a cable connecting to your tool in hand. Stihl and husky have had those for ages for blowers and weed eaters
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Oct 17, 2019 13:57
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Amazon has a 2 pack of Dewalt 20v 5ah batteries on sale for $110 today. https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCB205-2-Lithium-Battery-2-Pack/dp/B00KQU1ENG
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Oct 17, 2019 15:54
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wandler20 posted:Amazon has a 2 pack of Dewalt 20v 5ah batteries on sale for $110 today. https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCB205-2-Lithium-Battery-2-Pack/dp/B00KQU1ENG Thank you. I've been needing to replace a couple dead ones. That's a good deal.
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Oct 17, 2019 15:56
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wesleywillis posted:
Record and Bessey make decent bench top vises. Wilton is great, especially the older ones, but you would have to search for one outside of a big store.
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Oct 17, 2019 17:33
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Falco posted:Record and Bessey make decent bench top vises. Wilton is great, especially the older ones, but you would have to search for one outside of a big store. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I literally came back to the shop half an hour ago to a 6 or 8 or something inch vise sitting on the desk. Its princess auto brand so probably in another year or so I'll have to recall this post 
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Oct 17, 2019 20:15
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With how cheap usb power banks have gotten, I think someday soon somebody is going to mass produce a cheap, open source smart battery that provides several standardized DC voltages and built-in daisy chaining. Then it will slowly take over the tool market as manufacturers realize they can now sell tools without a battery for the same price.
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Oct 17, 2019 21:26
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I freaking love my cordless tools, anyone who disagrees has not been saved by our Lord and Savior, Lithium Ion.
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Oct 17, 2019 21:35
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Nevets posted:With how cheap usb power banks have gotten, I think someday soon somebody is going to mass produce a cheap, open source smart battery that provides several standardized DC voltages and built-in daisy chaining. Then it will slowly take over the tool market as manufacturers realize they can now sell tools without a battery for the same price. I suspect that manufacturers love having their own battery ecosystems because it increases the friction if someone wants to buy a tool from another manufacturer. It's the same kind of thing that lead to there being hundreds of different phone charging cables back in the day, before IIRC legislation stepped in to force them to standardize.
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Oct 17, 2019 21:44
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Nevets posted:With how cheap usb power banks have gotten, I think someday soon somebody is going to mass produce a cheap, open source smart battery that provides several standardized DC voltages and built-in daisy chaining. Then it will slowly take over the tool market as manufacturers realize they can now sell tools without a battery for the same price. That's not going to be a thing. DeWalt is drat near at the razor model at this point: sell the thing at cost, have expensive consumables. Also lock in to their ecosystem. I guess I shouldn't say never, but right now this opposite the current business model.
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Oct 17, 2019 22:04
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Actually, E-Waste regulations might save us here again by requiring a standard to reduce battery throwout. Someone just has to tell the EU about it.
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Oct 17, 2019 22:12
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I suspect that manufacturers love having their own battery ecosystems because it increases the friction if someone wants to buy a tool from another manufacturer. It's the same kind of thing that lead to there being hundreds of different phone charging cables back in the day, before IIRC legislation stepped in to force them to standardize. A quick search only shows one Chinese law, everything else I saw was a voluntary standard. I think saving money and space by combining the data & charging port is what standardized phone chargers. If it was legislation I think we'd have micro USB on everything.
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Oct 17, 2019 22:14
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angryrobots posted:I freaking love my cordless tools, anyone who disagrees has not been saved by our Lord and Savior, Lithium Ion. In fact, praying for the battery to charge faster so you can finish your cut is actually a good thing. Don't go get the corded tool, just pray harder!
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Oct 17, 2019 23:00
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I suspect that manufacturers love having their own battery ecosystems because it increases the friction if someone wants to buy a tool from another manufacturer. It's the same kind of thing that lead to there being hundreds of different phone charging cables back in the day, before IIRC legislation stepped in to force them to standardize. I don’t think they really do. It only helps a couple brands that are on top. Everyone else would benefit. Even brands like DeWalt have crappy selection of 12V which turns people away even if they like dewalt’s drill. And there are a good number of other companies that just have a couple one-off cordless products (I’m recalling a specialized paint strayer). I’m also surprised no established player has licensed out there batteries for markets they don’t care about (cordless sewing machine, camping blender, who knows). asdf32 fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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Oct 18, 2019 00:35
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Motronic posted:Thank you. I've been needing to replace a couple dead ones. That's a good deal. Speaking of, my 14 year old 18v dewalt batteries are starting to die. Any decent aftermarket ones?
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Oct 18, 2019 01:08
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stealie72 posted:Speaking of, my 14 year old 18v dewalt batteries are starting to die. Any decent aftermarket ones? Not that I've found. But if you find some let me know. I've been using: https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-20-Volt-MAX-Lithium-Ion-Battery-Adapter-for-18-Volt-Tools-DCA1820/206525714 FYI, leaving a 20v battery on that seems to kill it. Sometimes so dead that you can't even jump it over from a good one to get the charger to recharge it - or perhaps those batteries were already so spanked that this was the issue and why I'm buying that 2-pack. I'm not the only person in my direct real life circle of friends who has noticed this though, so I think it's probably a thing. I just haven't gotten curious enough to actually disassemble poo poo and pull out meters to confirm. I just try to remember to take the 20v batteries off the adapter when I'm done.
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Oct 18, 2019 01:15
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It would be pretty sweet if a tool manufacturer designed a battery pack that used spring loaded slots for holding standard 18650s, so that you can just replace them instead of replacing the entire unit/control electronics. Of course, this will never happen, because Teal/Yellow/Red love that they can sell you about $50 worth of cells with $2 of plastic and electronics for $150.
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Oct 18, 2019 15:32
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I could see something like that running into issues with how hard a lot of cordless tools are treated. A 6 foot ladder drop doesn't phase my Makita/Dewalt/Ridgid 18v gear, but I'd be afraid of something like that shattering.
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Oct 18, 2019 15:48
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Been looking for an angle grinder for the last few weeks, finally pulled the trigger on a Makita XAG20Z for $122 on Amazon. First project will be installing the metal railing on the front porch that the wife has been bothering me about for the last 4-5 months. I'd mostly seen it bouncing between $150-160, when I saw it drop this low I snagged it without a second thought.
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Oct 18, 2019 20:14
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n0tqu1tesane posted:I could see something like that running into issues with how hard a lot of cordless tools are treated. A 6 foot ladder drop doesn't phase my Makita/Dewalt/Ridgid 18v gear, but I'd be afraid of something like that shattering. https://syonyk.blogspot.com/2016/09/dewalt-20v-max-30ah-battery-pack.html?m=1 Feel better now? I swear I saw a DIY magazine a couple years ago where a dude even rebuilt one. I’d be all for a safely repairable pack.
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Oct 19, 2019 05:21
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I think the liability for something like that would be tough. I swear I can recall someone posting a blog where they rebuilt a Li-Ion battery pack and allegedly (I'm not an electrical engineer) it was done horribly wrong.
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Oct 20, 2019 17:03
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My Japanese style Irwin Marples saw is officially pissing me off. It's actually possible it cuts more on the push stroke than pull, about ready to toss it. Thinking of getting a saw I can sharpen myself to avoid that from happening, any reccomendations for a good tenon style saw? Or if budget is a factor is it better just to get any old miter saw and sharpen the blade right away?
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Oct 20, 2019 17:42
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wesleywillis posted:I think the liability for something like that would be tough. maybe you are remembering Ken's post about the "braile" brand battery he disassembled?
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Oct 21, 2019 03:10
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BraveUlysses posted:maybe you are remembering Ken's post about the "braile" brand battery he disassembled? Yeah, who knows. I just remember some reddit(?) post or something where the guy put new cells in a Li-Ion tool battery and some electrical engineers piped up and were all "thats wrong because of X,Y,Z, you're going to burn your house down". And of course because internet, the usual poo poo storm ensues from both sides of the coin. "well at least he's trying" "Yeah, but wrong, house burny downy" "You ain't got the guts to actually TRY and do something" "Here's why thats a major fire hazard" And so on.
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Oct 21, 2019 11:28
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Tool question: framing nailers. I've been reading up on framing because I'm going to build a cabin, nailing the frame together seems to require 8d nails, about 3mm? Yet some tool companies sell what they call a first fix nailer that takes 18ga nails, about 1mm. Can you do framing with 18ga nails? If not what do you need size wise? It bugs me that framing by hand all the documentation I've read uses penny sizes, nailers all use gauge and when I went looking for nails to put in these things half are listed by metric size.
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Oct 21, 2019 15:07
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cakesmith handyman posted:Tool question: framing nailers. I've been reading up on framing because I'm going to build a cabin, nailing the frame together seems to require 8d nails, about 3mm? Yet some tool companies sell what they call a first fix nailer that takes 18ga nails, about 1mm. 12d to 16d for framing stick to stick. 8d is for plywood or sheathing to frame. Iirc, 8d is 2 1/2", 12d is 3", and 16d is 3 1/4" length. No, not 18ga, don't even ffs, that's strictly thin interior molding size and wouldn't have a broad head. edit- the gauge is the wire thickness size, with the higher it goes, the thinner the wire. Typical interior trim is 15 to 16. Idk what framing nails gauge is, probably 8.
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Oct 21, 2019 15:33
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um mods this old man is haunting me when I don't respond fast enough^^^cakesmith handyman posted:Tool question: framing nailers. I've been reading up on framing because I'm going to build a cabin, nailing the frame together seems to require 8d nails, about 3mm? Yet some tool companies sell what they call a first fix nailer that takes 18ga nails, about 1mm. The 18ga isn't for what you want. I've used bostich a lot and liked them in the past. How big is the cabin going to be? Harry Potter on Ice fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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Oct 21, 2019 15:36
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Harry Potter on Ice posted:
When I read 'cabin', my mind goes immediately to log cabin. Idk if there's a retail version of something that would drive the spikes for the shell for that, although the interior and roof would ostensibly be traditional framing lumber. I worked on one that was an abandoned mid-build clusterfuck, but there was something so organic and cool about it. Bostitch are fine, just about all the brands I've seen are okay. Prices for a framing gun now are absurdly cheap compared to back in the day. Thanks 
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Oct 21, 2019 15:46
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On the topic of nailers, does anyone know of a corded electric finish/trim nailer? Plenty of pneumatic options, and even a few battery options, but I can't find one with a cord. I have 12v Milwaukee system, and sadly they just have a stapler.
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Oct 21, 2019 16:24
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Something to be aware of with framing nailers: a 16d nail is a 1/8" thick, 3.5"-long steel spike. It takes a lot of force to project one of those things through construction lumber. I personally found it sufficiently unnerving that I just hand-hammered all of my 16d nails and only used the nailer for sheathing and other smaller stuff.
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Oct 21, 2019 16:58
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Something to be aware of with framing nailers: a 16d nail is a 1/8" thick, 3.5"-long steel spike. It takes a lot of force to project one of those things through construction lumber. I personally found it sufficiently unnerving that I just hand-hammered all of my 16d nails and only used the nailer for sheathing and other smaller stuff. https://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0781-Pneumatic-Palm-Nailer/dp/B000087QPD/ref=pd_sbs_469_t_1/140-5103304-5222118
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Oh yeah, a palm nailer is also useful to have, especially if you need to drive a nail somewhere where you don't have room for swinging a hammer or the full-size nailer. I found mine a little tricky to work with; it required a very specific "approach" to drive the nail effectively, so I stuck with swinging a hammer for most nails. But you do want a palm nailer handy when doing construction IMO. I didn't get up to the Larry Huan level of "drive a 16d nail with a single swing", but with a little practice it's not too hard to drive the nail with only a few swings.
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