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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




forcibly retire everyone at age 60, unironically

alternately just kill old people, either/or

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Phlegmish posted:

A lot of people don't realize that it was only in the 19th century that we got rid of most of the insane medieval bullshit that was still in science (even if the foundations for modern science were laid in the 17th and 18th centuries). For example, the discussion about spontaneous generation wasn't fully put to rest until Pasteur's experiments. It's not that long ago.

The prevalence of the belief in the miasma theory of disease was one of the reasons for the huge death tolls of the Panama canal and other large engineering projects, even in the early 20th century.

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

steinrokkan posted:

The prevalence of the belief in the miasma theory of disease was one of the reasons for the huge death tolls of the Panama canal and other large engineering projects, even in the early 20th century.

If I recall correctly, folks in America at least were still giving salt tablets and refusing to give water for dehydration from work or exercise up into the 70s or 80s.

Unleaded gasoline didn't become mandatory in America until the late 70s, which means every city was cloaked in an inescapable fog of mad hatter juice.

Also for folks independently familiar with Dr Lister, I just listened to the Dollop England episode about him and I'm curious how accurate it was. They do relate the triple-kill and the accidentally amputated testicle as real events, though based on other things I know about Victorian medicine and science (and journalism) I'm definitely willing to believe that those stories weren't made up out of whole cloth. On the other hand, by its nature the Dollop tends to play up the goofy, macabre, and goofily macabre aspects of every story.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe
It's entirely possible that they were real, but not representative of his overall competence as a surgeon. Everyone has bad days.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

LonsomeSon posted:

If I recall correctly, folks in America at least were still giving salt tablets and refusing to give water for dehydration from work or exercise up into the 70s or 80s.

Unleaded gasoline didn't become mandatory in America until the late 70s, which means every city was cloaked in an inescapable fog of mad hatter juice.

Also for folks independently familiar with Dr Lister, I just listened to the Dollop England episode about him and I'm curious how accurate it was. They do relate the triple-kill and the accidentally amputated testicle as real events, though based on other things I know about Victorian medicine and science (and journalism) I'm definitely willing to believe that those stories weren't made up out of whole cloth. On the other hand, by its nature the Dollop tends to play up the goofy, macabre, and goofily macabre aspects of every story.

Just to make sure we're disambiguated here, Robert Liston was the exceedingly fast surgeon with the triple kill. Joseph Lister was the surgeon who introduced antiseptic to surgery.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Liston/Lister has become one ridiculous 19th century concept that scientists are begrudgingly helpful while still chopping your balls off so don't believe in vaccines for a few more decades just in case.

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013
Hey, a free orchiectomy is nothing to turn your head and cough at.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

DarkHorse posted:

I like that the idea "maybe you should wash your hands of deadguy juice before delivering babies" was just unfathomable and insulting in that era.

Also that doctors wore black and took it as a sign of pride with how much gore they accumulated

Handwashing didn't face THAT much resistance, and the common Semmelweis story is a myth in the same way that the idea that Colombus proved the Earth is round is a myth.

Intoluene
Jul 6, 2011

Activating self-destruct sequence!
Fun Shoe

packetmantis posted:

Hey, a free orchiectomy is nothing to turn your head and cough at.

:golfclap:

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

packetmantis posted:

Hey, a free orchiectomy is nothing to turn your head and cough at.
Well I just learned a new word today.



Why did it have to be that word :gonk:

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?


From here. It does make more sense than it looks like, to a brass player, but if you try to interpret this diagram from a physics/math perspective, it's awful. The article as a whole is great but that diagram is someone trying to "dance about architecture".

klafbang
Nov 18, 2009
Clapping Larry
From the Bitcoin thread on technical analysis:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

klafbang posted:

From the Bitcoin thread on technical analysis:

LOL, technical analysis, for the sophisticated Savings and Loans marks.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

klafbang posted:

From the Bitcoin thread on technical analysis:

Fukkin lol

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

https://twitter.com/oocwesternr34/status/1187076882849812480?s=21

:hmmyes:

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



rourd?

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Roo row, rike rurumbers ror ralabashes, Rorge.

Just Offscreen
Jun 29, 2006

We must hope that our current selves will one day step aside to make room for better versions of us.
You don't wanna see the original picture.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

I don't like these new Stand stats

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Just Offscreen posted:

You don't wanna see the original picture.

I dug too greedily and too deep. A terrible doom is now upon me.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
Sorry about the awful quality, a colleague just got a CV featuring this masterpiece and I had to take a quick pic.



The y-axis is "professional fluency", the x-axis I assume is meant to read speaking and not sneaking, but was cropped like that in the CV.

We are a goddamn lab, this is for a post-doc scientist position, why would you do this.

klafbang
Nov 18, 2009
Clapping Larry
The x-axis should be drunkenness. And then German would get super high around super drunk.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Just Offscreen posted:

You don't wanna see the original picture.
I'll take your word for it, i doubt the original is going to give any context on "rourd" anyway

Red Bones
Aug 9, 2012

"I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."

Fathis Munk posted:

Sorry about the awful quality, a colleague just got a CV featuring this masterpiece and I had to take a quick pic.



The y-axis is "professional fluency", the x-axis I assume is meant to read speaking and not sneaking, but was cropped like that in the CV.

We are a goddamn lab, this is for a post-doc scientist position, why would you do this.

Maybe the x axis is time, and the big downward trend marks the fateful car accident that damaged the speech centers of their brain :(

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
I think it means he's fluent, but doesn't know how to say hello or goodbye.

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


Zereth posted:

I'll take your word for it, i doubt the original is going to give any context on "rourd" anyway

It's "round". Though that doesn't help my understanding.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Munin posted:

It's "round". Though that doesn't help my understanding.

I can only assume based on context that they mean girth.

razorrozar
Feb 21, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Aramoro posted:

I can only assume based on context that they mean girth.

im pretty sure the artist's first language isn't english

don't loving judge me

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Tunicate posted:

Handwashing didn't face THAT much resistance

Handwashing still faces a lot of resistance. It is routine to find major hospitals in developed countries where hand washing compliance is below 50%.

The numbers on this site look good until you realize that they aren’t weighted by patient traffic and the smaller facilities pull the average up, but more importantly that they are measured by someone announced and visible standing outside rooms observing. This is the behaviour when people know in the moment that they are being evaluated, and that (in the Ontario case) the results will be posted at the entrance to the unit or hospital. Other studies comparing incognito observations show much lower compliance measurements.

https://www.hqontario.ca/System-Performance/Hospital-Patient-Safety/Hand-Washing-in-Ontario-Hospitals-by-Hospital-Care-Providers

And check those 2008 numbers, at a 35% worse average! Probably improvement since then, but the data collection method is so distorting that it’s hard to actually tell. HAIs haven’t dropped as you would proportionately expect, or materially changed in how they manifest, so it’s likely that actual practice didn’t improve as much as the report cards would indicate.

The punch line is that Ontario is actually a leader in this area, and US average compliance is generally under 50% even with known observers. IIRC the “non-Hawthorne” observers saw rates under 25%.

Lister was fighting an uphill battle, and it’s still being fought.

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc

Hmm, what's the small text?

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
I'm amazed they included that with the chart

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler
Meanwhile, in reality...

https://twitter.com/Harryb22/status/1189815496243339265?s=19

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



The election is expected to be largely a referendum on Brexit, which has already been hilariously disastrous even before even being implemented, and Labour has been waffling on the issue, so the Lib Dem candidate probably actually will do a lot better than in 2017. Such is my limited understanding of British politics.

Still lolling at that blatant manipulation though

e: wow, did the Brexit referendum really happen all the way back in in 2016? Still, it's only become more a shitshow since 2017

Phlegmish has a new favorite as of 13:11 on Nov 1, 2019

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
Yeah 2016.

I remember being at my last job +1 and refreshing the BBC all day going "don't tell me these loving shitheads are actually going to do it"

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Phlegmish posted:

e: wow, did the Brexit referendum really happen all the way back in in 2016?

A lot of low-probability events happened that year. Brexit. Trump. Cubs winning the World Series. And of course the great celebrity die-off.

ArtIsResistance
May 19, 2007

QUEEN OF FRANCE, SAVIOR OF LOWTAX

Powered Descent posted:

A lot of low-probability events happened that year. Brexit. Trump. Cubs winning the World Series. And of course the great celebrity die-off.

I still don't get how a bunch of aging rockstars who did obscene amounts of drugs dying in their 60s was a low-probability event

I'm not making GBS threads on you I just remember how people were freaking out when it happened and it must be proof we're in a simulation blah blah blah

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



ArtIsResistance posted:

I still don't get how a bunch of aging rockstars who did obscene amounts of drugs dying in their 60s was a low-probability event

I'm not making GBS threads on you I just remember how people were freaking out when it happened and it must be proof we're in a simulation blah blah blah

yea we're all mostly in our 30s (still young enough to consider death a far future, but young enough that our teenage idols are mostly over 60) + confirmation bias ("they die in threes") = it doesnt really matter which musician/actor dies, they all basically fit the pattern.

also 27 club, etc

HerStuddMuffin
Aug 10, 2014

YOSPOS
Human brains are really good at picking up patterns. So good, in fact, that they manage to find patterns even when none exist.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Celebrities die 2.7183 at a time

tl;dr is that clusters of three is about what you'd expect if random events happen according to a simple but reasonable model for celebrity deaths.

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

ArtIsResistance posted:

I still don't get how a bunch of aging rockstars who did obscene amounts of drugs dying in their 60s was a low-probability event

I'm not making GBS threads on you I just remember how people were freaking out when it happened and it must be proof we're in a simulation blah blah blah

Lemmy wasn't supposed to die.

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