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whydirt posted:I'd like to think that Invoke Prejudice is a $300+ card (higher than Mana Drain?!?) because so many have been destroyed due to having literal hooded klansmen in the art, but I'm fearful the real answer isn't as heartwarming. It's a passive counterspell and only six packs of legends were ever opened. It's like Tabernacle in that sense. Also mana drain got reprinted.
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Please wait to ban Cat Combo until I win an event with it, I only had to spend $10 to complete it. Better yet, don't ban it so I know what it's like to actually play a tier 1 (TBD) deck in a format.
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ok but how will mill be in this new world?
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AnEdgelord posted:Is Bant Coco really better than Aetherworks Marvel or Copy Cat? Quite possibly. FrozenPhoenix71 posted:EDIT: Also worth noting, had Reflector Mage not been banned, it would have been legal, if only for a little bit, with Saheeli and Felidar Guardian in Standard(it had already been legal with Saheeli, but she was weak enough on her own that it doesn't matter much). It would've also been legal for UW Oketra's Monument standard which would've made that an extremely bad standard instead of a brief period of being kinda alright.
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I'm tempted to make some kind of weird G/B/x Hardened Scales list for Pioneer. A base package of Walking Ballista, Hangarback Walker, Stonecoil Serpent, Steel Overseer and Winding Constrictor, with maybe Corpsejack Menace, Animation Module and Durable Handicraft in there somewhere. Fatal Push, Abrupt Decay and Assassin's Trophy for the removal package, probably. I'm gonna love this format, since I absolutely hate how easily fetches enable degeneracy in every format they're legal in. Hell, Izzet Phoenix will probably be T1 in the format, since pretty much every card in the Modern version is Pioneer-legal, and you can run Treasure Cruise 
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Silhouette posted:Hell, Izzet Phoenix will probably be T1 n the format, since pretty much every card in the Modern version is Pioneer-legal, and you can run Treasure Cruise I think Izzet Phoenix has been extremely dead in Modern since Looting got banned, and it loses all the cantrips it plays.
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Opt, Merchant of the Vale, Thrill of Possibility, Izzet Charm, Merfolk Secretkeeper and Cathartic Reunion are more than enough to make it competitive.
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Archenteron posted:ok but how will mill be in this new world? With Loch, Tutelage, Ashiok, Manic Scribe, and Drowned Secrets...maybe? Edit: LOL at Maze's End, Scapeshift, and Splendid Reclamation together GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Silhouette posted:I'm tempted to make some kind of weird G/B/x Hardened Scales list for Pioneer. A base package of Walking Ballista, Hangarback Walker, Stonecoil Serpent, Steel Overseer and Winding Constrictor, with maybe Corpsejack Menace, Animation Module and Durable Handicraft in there somewhere. Fatal Push, Abrupt Decay and Assassin's Trophy for the removal package, probably. maybe monstrosity has a new payoff in theros 2 Mouth Ze Dong fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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GoutPatrol posted:With Loch, Tutelage, Ashiok, Manic Scribe, and Drowned Secrets...maybe? Also this guy 
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C-Euro posted:Please wait to ban Cat Combo until I win an event with it, I only had to spend $10 to complete it. Better yet, don't ban it so I know what it's like to actually play a tier 1 (TBD) deck in a format. Nailed down a set of sorcerous spy glasses for my sideboard after running into this last FNM. There seem to be ways to pick it apart but none that I had ready to go.
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I'd assume it's 100% that the friendly fast lands will be printed in the next core set to make the mana bases even for pioneer. I guess since they're actual locations that's the only way to print them since core doesn't have a story to it. Also 5 of the shock lands have been printed in precons so far. If they do another round of Brawl decks for the next set with one each that'll leave 1 spot in the challenger decks. It's pretty great that you can build a 12 card enemy color land base for $80 or less.
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...Mazes End Turbofog?
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Archenteron posted:...Mazes End Turbofog? Hello Questing Beast, your time to shine.
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This format, especially the mad scramble to build decks trying to figure out what works the first couple months has to be a godsend to every LGS and big internet seller that's stuck with cards that rotated out over the last few years. I'm sure the stores stuck with a couple dozen copies of check lands will be happy to sell them for $3-$4 again. I'm really happy I picked up a set of Vraska's Contempt for about $1 each after rotation just in case this format ever materialized (I guessed Origins forward).
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Played some dance, manse revolution on Arena tonight and with FoD/Golos gone as of Thursday I think the deck might be really interesting to consider more deeply. It has a terrible oko matchup (because oko can keep making food to keep doom foretold from hitting anything relevant) but it utterly crushed everything else I ran into. Could see an interesting meta where aggro beats oko, oko beats dance, manse revolution and DMR bears aggro. Since oko decks are pretty much mid-range this would be a pretty natural state of things. I'm also curious to see if oko ends up oppressive as people think. I suspect not because aggro strategies are going to be considerably easier to use now that Golos decks are gone. axeil fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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axeil posted:It has a terrible oko matchup (because oko can keep making food to keep doing foretold from hitting anything relevant) That's not how Doom Foretold works.
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Oct 22, 2019 07:09
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sultai oko with epic downfall incoming
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Jabor posted:That's not how Doom Foretold works. Really not sure how they could play that deck and not figure that out
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Doom Foretold is the perfect card against oko decks, but only if you actually know how Doom Foretold works.
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So it's time for a pioneer thunderdome on xmage, right? This might finally be my chance to get in on the ground floor for jund without having to drop extreme bills.
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axeil posted:Played some dance, manse revolution on Arena tonight and with FoD/Golos gone as of Thursday I think the deck might be really interesting to consider more deeply. It has a terrible oko matchup (because oko can keep making food to keep doom foretold from hitting anything relevant) but it utterly crushed everything else I ran into. Doom Foretold ignores tokens (The food token is a token)
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So anything other than Fabled Passage spring to mind as "needs to reprinted at uncommon asap" for Pioneer?
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mossyfisk posted:So anything other than Fabled Passage spring to mind as "needs to reprinted at uncommon asap" for Pioneer? Prismatic vista
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Was planning on going to Magicfest Brussels, which has just been announced as a Pioneer GP...
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BizarroAzrael posted:Was planning on going to Magicfest Brussels, which has just been announced as a Pioneer GP... Like, if you really have no clue, try Phoenix or UR control. Most of the modern deck is available in pioneer. Unless maybe Manamorphose is irreplaceable.
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Bant Coco with Veil of summer as an all around protection to just fight entirely on the enemies end step. Hm.
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How much of Standard needs to be oko+krasis for Blightbeetle to be good?
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Archenteron posted:...Mazes End Turbofog? (turns head sideways like your dog when you say its name)
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Archenteron posted:ok but how will mill be in this new world? It exists but it's bad, you're losing all of the good mill spells but you retain a lot of the support cards (Push, Crypt Incursion, Drown in the Loch) or facsimiles of them (Into the Story as a replacement for Visions). No Surgical is a huge bummer though.
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Hellsau posted:This deck seems like it'd get dominated by various Company value piles and redundant combo decks, and also Autumn's Veil. Isn't veil of summer just a straight upgrade to autumn?
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mossyfisk posted:How much of Standard needs to be oko+krasis for Blightbeetle to be good? Even if 100% of standard was oko+krasis, Blightbeetle wouldn't be super useful. A two mana 1/1 needs to do more than removing a counter from Oko every turn to be good. Preventing Krasis from landing is only dealing with half the problem and in many match ups, the last impactful half of it.
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GoutPatrol posted:Like, if you really have no clue, try Phoenix or UR control. Most of the modern deck is available in pioneer. Unless maybe Manamorphose is irreplaceable. lol why would you bother planning anything for a paper event in three months when they explicitly said that they will police the gently caress out of the format between now and then? I'm playing GP Brussels but I'm not going to bother figuring out the format until January Katana Gomai fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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I can't be the only one excited about Ramunap Red with Experimental Frenzy or mono white knights with the Eldraine stuff + Benalish Marshal and History of Benalia right? I just wanna turn dudes sideways. I wonder what sort of tribal vampire deck you can put together with Sorin. Is Pioneer Burn going to be at all good? I guess people aren't taking damage from fetches and there's no Bolt or Lava Spike.
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MikeCrotch posted:Is Pioneer Burn going to be at all good? I guess people aren't taking damage from fetches and there's no Bolt or Lava Spike. There's also more reliant on UNTAPPED shocks and painlands (due to no fetches), and the card pool of Pioneer has produced more than a couple of Pro Tour winning decks, including in higher powered formats. Not sure what the deck will look like, but I think it'll be good.
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I think it's more rdw than burn.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I think it's more rdw than burn. Either way, I strongly suspect that a red aggressive deck is going to be viable in the format. Maybe not a meta-beater but definitely something with a respectable showing.
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You can do a pretty good Monored Prowess imitation with the Pioneer cardpool, so I think it will more like that than your traditional Burn deck.
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Tibalt posted:A question for the philosophers. I mean, you don't have the damage spells but you have the aggro boys. Zurgo Bellstriker, Kari Zev, Chainwhirler, Hazoret, stuff like that. Might want to splash a second color to get some stuff. Green gets you Arf-Arf's command, after all.
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TheKingofSprings posted:They don't because they're busy slamming 4 CoCo instead. You have mentioned this a few times I think, do you have a pioneer list you like or just thinking it's going to be great?
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