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roffels posted:I like going to the theater hoping to see something unexpected, but I'm guessing I'm weirdo like that. It may also depend where you are. Here the absolute cheapest trip to the theater (that is to say just the ticket, sneaking food in, going at a lovely time) is around $15. It isn't going to break the bank but it's generally a bit much to take a risk on when you know you can see the same thing in 3~ months for 1/10th the price.
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I will miss seeing cinema with a crowd. Hearing people lose their poo poo (both positive and negative) is absolutely wonderful. Maybe viewing parties will make a comeback...I hope so.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:01
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I would go to the movies every weekend if the movies I wanted to see actually played anywhere near me.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:02
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teagone posted:No one is arguing that the movies Scorsese is championing aren't being made. The argument is that the idea of "cinema" to the moviegoing audience these days is comprised of JUST big franchise blockbusters. When hasn't it been like this? Big dumb movies have been the mainstay of Hollywood for decades. I'd be more concerned if Scorcese couldn't get a film made AT ALL, but despite media consolidation, between Cable TV/Movies/Streaming I'd argue there's a greater range of artistic expression and quality than there was back then. 1984: 1 Beverly Hills Cop Par. $234,760,478 2,006 $15,214,805 1,532 12/5 2 Ghostbusters Col. $229,242,989 1,506 $13,578,151 1,339 6/8 3 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom Par. $179,870,271 1,687 $25,337,110 1,687 5/23 4 Gremlins WB $148,168,459 1,537 $12,511,634 1,511 6/8 5 The Karate Kid Col. $90,815,558 1,111 $5,031,753 931 6/22 6 Police Academy WB $81,198,894 1,587 $8,570,007 1,063 3/23 7 Footloose Par. $80,035,402 1,384 $8,556,935 1,384 2/17 8 Romancing the Stone Fox $76,572,238 1,110 $5,105,741 823 3/30 9 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock 1980: 1 The Empire Strikes Back Fox $209,398,025 1,278 $4,910,483 126 5/21 2 9 to 5 Fox $103,290,500 N/A $3,966,832 910 12/19 3 Stir Crazy Col. $101,300,000 N/A $8,691,886 813 12/12 4 Airplane! Par. $83,453,539 N/A N/A N/A 6/27 5 Any Which Way You Can WB $70,687,344 N/A $8,024,663 1,541 12/17 6 Private Benjamin WB $69,847,348 N/A $4,739,769 763 10/10 7 Coal Miner's Daughter Uni. $67,182,787 N/A $3,366,443 437 3/7 8 Smokey and the Bandit II Uni. $66,132,626 N/A $10,883,835 1,196 8/15 9 The Blue Lagoon Col. $58,853,106 N/A N/A N/A 6/20 10 The Blues Brothers Crackbone fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 01:02
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Everyone in that movie is so obscenely wealthy No they arent cool with it during the vacation, but then later when he meets up with her again and steals her they are. Also he smugly congratulates himself in his own advice column, his daughter suddenly respects his decisions about relationships, and his brother is now dating the ugly girl everyone hates who was shown as a punishment earlier in the film There is no way the writer of the film didnt hate his own brother.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:04
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ImpAtom posted:It may also depend where you are. Here the absolute cheapest trip to the theater (that is to say just the ticket, sneaking food in, going at a lovely time) is around $15. It isn't going to break the bank but it's generally a bit much to take a risk on when you know you can see the same thing in 3~ months for 1/10th the price. $7-$9 for matinees depending on the theater, and generally around $8 for the local micro cinema that shows random stuff.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:05
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Snowman_McK posted:No it isn't. His point is that, on the sliding scale between money and art, it's lopsided toward the former in a sort of unprecedented way. One studio has control of half the box office, and is doing things that make it harder to see those film you're talking about. This is so like, the main argument happening around the MCU at large right now, and I don't see how even the most ardent Marvel fans don't look at what Disney is doing and be like, "well that ain't good." I mean good lord, just look at the list of movies the Mouse killed that were in deep pre-pro when they bought out Fox.
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Tart Kitty posted:This is so like, the main argument happening around the MCU at large right now, and I don't see how even the most ardent Marvel fans don't look at what Disney is doing and be like, "well that ain't good." I mean good lord, just look at the list of movies the Mouse killed that were in deep pre-pro when they bought out Fox. They're an evil company and the MCU is like anti-cinema.
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Tart Kitty posted:This is so like, the main argument happening around the MCU at large right now, and I don't see how even the most ardent Marvel fans don't look at what Disney is doing and be like, "well that ain't good." I mean good lord, just look at the list of movies the Mouse killed that were in deep pre-pro when they bought out Fox. Shut up old man yelling at clouds. I want my X-men in the MCU and I want it now.
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Tart Kitty posted:This is so like, the main argument happening around the MCU at large right now, and I don't see how even the most ardent Marvel fans don't look at what Disney is doing and be like, "well that ain't good." I mean good lord, just look at the list of movies the Mouse killed that were in deep pre-pro when they bought out Fox. we could've had a loving mouse guard movie and i'm gonna be salty about that for years
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Oct 22, 2019 01:50
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I said come in! posted:Big blockbuster films just naturally make more money. This is how its always been. This doesn't show that less smaller more art centric movies are being made, in fact the exact opposite is true. But the big blockbuster films squeeze the smaller films out from theatre screens. Earlier this year as a condition for showing Endgame, Disney "asked" Theatres to have showings for Captain Marvel. Whatever film would have gotten that space was pushed out, because theatres need the big films to draw the crowds so they can sell overpriced popcorn, 'cause they ain't making money on the tickets because Disney (and the rest) don't give them a big enough cut.
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Oct 22, 2019 01:58
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The indie theater by me has shown all the big "event" films to keep the lights on, but they only have a handful of screens and stuff was for sure being pushed out of that spot. This shouldn't be a surprise or a controversial idea.
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What do you think would've happened if those big films didn't exist?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The whole point is you can start watching at any film without feeling you've "missed" anything This was also the point of pre-streaming and dvd box set orientated TV. Crackbone posted:When hasn't it been like this? Big dumb movies have been the mainstay of Hollywood for decades. I'd be more concerned if Scorcese couldn't get a film made AT ALL, but despite media consolidation, between Cable TV/Movies/Streaming I'd argue there's a greater range of artistic expression and quality than there was back then. This is a varied list with small-mid budget comedies and dramas mixed in with two large budget films, both of whose budgets wouldn't even be the catering costs of a modern blockbuster. It literally makes the opposite point to what you thought it did.
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Crackbone posted:When hasn't it been like this? Big dumb movies have been the mainstay of Hollywood for decades. I'd be more concerned if Scorcese couldn't get a film made AT ALL, but despite media consolidation, between Cable TV/Movies/Streaming I'd argue there's a greater range of artistic expression and quality than there was back then. Beverly Hills Cop, Ghostbusters, Footloose, The Empire Strikes Back, Indiana Jones 2, Airplane!, Gremlins, and Police Academy—among whatever else listed there—offer an array of genres represented by various studios with a huge disparity in production budgets. Today, 3 of top 6 domestic grossing movies from 2019 are comic book movies from the same series, and all 6 films are produced by Disney, and all are big rear end, mega-budget tentpoles. teagone fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 02:17
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teagone posted:Beverly Hills Cop, Ghostbusters, Footloose, The Empire Strikes Back, Indiana Jones 2, Airplane!, Gremlins, and Police Academy—among whatever else listed there—offer an array of genres represented by various studios. Today, 3 of top 6 domestic grossing movies from 2019 are comic book movies, and ALL are produced by Disney. even looking at ESB as a big budget film, it was made for 18 million, roughly 52 million now adjusted for inflation. Even adjusted for the shifting value of the dollar, film budgets have absolutely ballooned.
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Snowman_McK posted:even looking at ESB as a big budget film, it was made for 18 million, roughly 52 million now adjusted for inflation. Even adjusted for the shifting value of the dollar, film budgets have absolutely ballooned. Yep. Made an edit to point this out in my original post, heh. Basically: Crackbone posted:When hasn't it been like this? Just made me chuckle.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What do you think would've happened if those big films didn't exist? Are you asking what would happen if the indie theater didn't show those big films in the current market? They'd go out of business If those big films as a concept didn't exist, and didn't dominate what people thought of cinema in general? Maybe the place would go out of business even still, maybe the money that gets spent on tentpole blockbusters would be more distributed to other films
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Oct 22, 2019 02:25
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What do you think would've happened if those big films didn't exist? Well, that theatre wouldn't have been railroaded into showing particular films on particular schedules, which is what Disney forces to happen.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What do you think would've happened if those big films didn't exist? Other bg films would have replaced them. Unless you want to somehow make this retroactive to Star Wars: A New Hope and assume that it tanked such that the "blockbuster" wasn't really a thing. In which case I have no drat idea. It'd be an interesting premise for an alternate history book. Taking a shot at it... VCRs leading to DVD-recorders leading to BluRay/DVR/etc would still be things because TV would still be a thing and the recording/watching of TV shows would be a thing (Confession, I still have and use my VCR to record and watch shows that I can't see live. Figure without blockbusters quite a lot of theaters would close. Figure that would create a mild self-reinforcing feedback loop of less movies being made because less theaters were open which would result it in even less theaters being open because less movies are being made. Figure that home video, Netflix, Hulu, etc would still be things and that quite a few movies would go the "direct to video" route. I considered the impact on computer graphics and internet, but I think it'd be minimal because porn would still be a thing and porn was the big driver behind a lot of that. That's as far as I've gotten. Anyone else want to tag in?
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I go to the theater regularly, and over the summer at the local AMC the screen share was regularly 40-70% Disney IPs that had been in theaters for weeks to months while smaller films like Midsommar got dumpstered less than two weeks after premiere, and you motherfuckers want to try and pretend there isn't a problem?
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wyoming posted:#releasetheTrankcut I'm on board.
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Oct 22, 2019 02:40
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I said come in! posted:An indie film I remember really wanting to see in threaters back in 2009, Moon, was only played in a single theater for all of the state of Arizona, and that was before the MCU craze. Really? I don't remember having any difficulty seeing Moon in Phoenix when it came out. I saw it at an AMC too.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Really? I don't remember having any difficulty seeing Moon in Phoenix when it came out. I saw it at an AMC too. WOW LOOK WHO LIVED BY THE ONE THEATER PLAYING IT I was far enough away that the drive to get there was longer than the movie itself. 
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Oct 22, 2019 02:46
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I didn't realize how lucky I was with that one. 
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Guy A. Person posted:Are you asking what would happen if the indie theater didn't show those big films in the current market? They'd go out of business The idea that money which gets spent on blockbuster films could instead be going to indies is a reasonable one, but I'd think you'd have to significantly change your characterisation of a typical Marvel movie watcher for that to make any sense. Because to me it seems like the dumb, tribalistic, cult-like audience of a Marvel film wouldn't have much crossover with the potential audience of an intelligent indie drama.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think the logical conclusion of the argument you made is that without blockbuster films indie theaters would go bankrupt. And, as it actually stands and is progressing, the conclusion is that indie theatres can't afford to show anything that isn't blockbusters and so lose their value as indie theatres.
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Oct 22, 2019 03:31
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There will only be Disneyplexes around the world in 2040 when whoever is in charge of Disney at that time ends up buying China. You will only be admitted to a Disneyplex if you have a social credit score at or above 250 mouse ears and are an active Disney+++ gold member or above.
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These are the best ever 1000% improvement on mcu https://youtu.be/A3armRWXSTc https://youtu.be/YTCN4Wr_9eQ
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I go to the theater regularly, and over the summer at the local AMC the screen share was regularly 40-70% Disney IPs that had been in theaters for weeks to months while smaller films like Midsommar got dumpstered less than two weeks after premiere, and you motherfuckers want to try and pretend there isn't a problem? poo poo, it isn’t even just smaller films that are getting bushwhacked. Just four years ago Disney pressured the Cinerama Dome to break its booking commitment of The Hateful Eight, just so they could have one more prestige screen to show The Force Awakens on.
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Let me just say that Godfather 3... IS GOOD. ZASAAA
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Vintersorg posted:Let me just say that Godfather 3... IS GOOD. Godfather 3 is good, but when compared to 1 and 2, which are cornerstones of American cinema with maybe three or four other movies, even a good movie looks bad in comparison. It coming out like 15 years later with a ton of the original cast bouncing also didn't help. Not that I don't think there are problems with Godfather 3, but on the balance I would say it's fine.
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teagone posted:Because it creates a trend of success that other studios desperately want to replicate: only franchise-driven, committee produced movies generate massive box office returns, and that's all we'll eventually get to see at the theater. Worse yet, if they're all made by the same company. Again, you need to explain why this is a bad thing. The predicating event/thing/whatever that is the cause of what you're saying is that studios are making movies that a whole lot of people love. There's no downside on whatever side of the proverbial seesaw you're sitting. Your issue really seems, to me, that you're dealing with a strong dissonance between what you wish would be happening (people turning their nose up at the same company making franchise driven films) and what is staring you in the face (that people dig those movies, whoever made them).
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MisterBibs posted:Again, you need to explain why this is a bad thing. The predicating event/thing/whatever that is the cause of what you're saying is that studios are making movies that a whole lot of people love. There's no downside on whatever side of the proverbial seesaw you're sitting. The danger is that studios will settle for "good enough".
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I haven't been to the theater since the last MCU movie and I probably won't until next year, but I also don't feel like my desire to watch non-blockbuster movies is less, it's just that there aren't any out that interest me. I was considering Ad Astra untill I read a review that made it sound like it was just another Interstellar, and I ultimately decided not to watch Downton Abbey in the theater. It also feels like there is an information overload with many movies. by the time Jojo rabbit comes out in europe next year i'm afraid I will be burnt out by the hype. The whole movie theater system is all about telling you constantly that something is coming out, but then they take forever to actually release it.
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Grendels Dad posted:The danger is that studios will settle for "good enough". I got bad news for ya
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I got bad news for ya Fair, lemme rephrase: Studios settle on "barely good enough" right now.
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Grendels Dad posted:Fair, lemme rephrase: Studios settle on "barely good enough" right now. They've been doing that since literally the start
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MisterBibs posted:Again, you need to explain why this is a bad thing. The predicating event/thing/whatever that is the cause of what you're saying is that studios are making movies that a whole lot of people love. There's no downside on whatever side of the proverbial seesaw you're sitting. Have you seen Idiocracy?
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teagone posted:Beverly Hills Cop, Ghostbusters, Footloose, The Empire Strikes Back, Indiana Jones 2, Airplane!, Gremlins, and Police Academy—among whatever else listed there—offer an array of genres represented by various studios with a huge disparity in production budgets. Today, 3 of top 6 domestic grossing movies from 2019 are comic book movies from the same series, and all 6 films are produced by Disney, and all are big rear end, mega-budget tentpoles. Fair enough, so is the issue it's all super hero movies or is the issue smaller, more thoughtful cinema isn't happening, or that Disney owns everything now? I feel like we're arguing different points.
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