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Volcott posted:I first saw Donald Glover in those Derrick Comedy youtube shorts and thought it was wild when he showed up on Community. I watched an interview with Ken Jeong (who shared a trailer with Glover on set for 'Community') and he said whenever they weren't shooting that Donald would be writing scripts or composing music. Like you said he's always working on something.
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Toshimo posted:So what? It's appropriate for this thread that trotting out the Sitcom Trophy Wife Trope hasn't aged well. lmao
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American Dad I hear is actually still good, mostly since they seem to have leaned fully into the crazy poo poo.
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Toshimo posted:So what? It's appropriate for this thread that trotting out the Sitcom Trophy Wife Trope hasn't aged well. woosh
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Ghost Leviathan posted:American Dad I hear is actually still good, mostly since they seem to have leaned fully into the crazy poo poo. It's mixed but it's loving worlds better than Family Guy. This is due to the Matt Weitzman effect, who coincidentally stopped writing for Family Guy immediately after the reboot.
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Oct 27, 2019 05:09
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a wise poster once said you could replace all of seth mcfarlane's shows with 5 minutes of a guy singing about how gays are gross in a showtunes voice and no one would notice
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Oct 27, 2019 05:11
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Henchman of Santa posted:Why have any of you been watching Family Guy any time recently? I watched a YouTube clip last week that was actually kind of funny. That was the first time I had watched any Family Guy in...uuuhhh, let's see...*counts on fingers* about 8,527 years.
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Oct 27, 2019 05:19
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I almost watched the one that was just Stewie talking at his psychiatrist for an entire episode time but when I realised what the gimmick was I immediately stopped. Which is funny because I loved the Bojack Horseman episode that did that.
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Oct 27, 2019 05:23
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I almost watched the one that was just Stewie talking at his psychiatrist for an entire episode time but when I realised what the gimmick was I immediately stopped.
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Oct 27, 2019 05:29
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christmas boots posted:With Jerry the joke is precisely that: how completely undeserved his treatment is. Yeah, he's kind of a klutz sometimes--which isn't really worse than any of the other character's idiosyncrasies--but then you have the mural they all dismiss because he fucks up a word even though it's infinitely better than anyone else's, and the painting he does that Leslie throws in the lake without a second thought. IMO the show does undercut this a bit by having an entire episode devoted to how Jerry feels about being the butt of the joke and ultimately being ok with it because he's going to retire, the outrageous absurdity isn't as funny if they actually ground it. Which is why I think the joke works even better with the guy who keeps getting shoe shines from Andy Ah yes, when I think of wild outrageous absurdity I definitely think of Parks & Rec. goddamn what a complete tonal mess that show and the US office were
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I almost watched the one that was just Stewie talking at his psychiatrist for an entire episode time but when I realised what the gimmick was I immediately stopped. A key thing is that Bojack Horseman is, for the most part, built around treating the main characters as if they're real people, not just vehicles for jokes.
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Oct 27, 2019 07:23
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Henchman of Santa posted:Why have any of you been watching Family Guy any time recently? Because sometimes I fall asleep during Bob's Burgers if I'm really tired after work and I wake up with Family Guy on, and I'm too tired to bother changing the channel. 
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Oct 27, 2019 08:04
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Bob's Burgers is good, and I don't remember anything problematic about it.
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Oct 27, 2019 08:08
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Toshimo posted:So what? It's appropriate for this thread that trotting out the Sitcom Trophy Wife Trope hasn't aged well. What the gently caress are you talking about. Jerry wife isn't played as a trophy at all, they're in a happy, healthy relationship with grown children. The whole point is he has an amazing and fulfilling life outside work in contrast to being the office whipping boy.
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Oct 27, 2019 08:13
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All this talk about rapists being glorified in comedy shows and nobody is talking about Barney in How I Met Your Mother. his character is unrepentantly a date-rapist that tricks girls to sleeping with him, and has no redeemable features. The show tries to make him a "good friend" etc. but even then it is all done by Barney being selfish and manipulative to the people closest to him to satisfy his whims. Yet he is the character that gets all the "funny" quotable lines, and there are far more people than I am comfortable with that idolize him and his corporate rapist manipulative selfish arsehole ways.
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I'm okay with funny characters being irredeemable as long as the show doesn't try to redeem them.
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Oct 27, 2019 09:12
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I almost watched the one that was just Stewie talking at his psychiatrist for an entire episode time but when I realised what the gimmick was I immediately stopped. I can't even watch a 10 second clip of that because of the vast difference in recording quality between McKellen and McFarlane's voices. McKellen's audio sounds so muffled I wouldn't be surprised he recorded the whole thing in his house with a bunch of budget podcasting equipment (can't blame him for that, though).
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Oct 27, 2019 09:58
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londonarbuckle posted:Ah yes, when I think of wild outrageous absurdity I definitely think of Parks & Rec. Can you elaborate cause I’m rewatching P&R right now and the only tonal dissonance I’ve noticed is between the first and second seasons which is pretty common with sitcoms
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Oct 27, 2019 10:07
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somepartsareme posted:a wise poster once said you could replace all of seth mcfarlane's shows with 5 minutes of a guy singing about how gays are gross in a showtunes voice and no one would notice American Dad is mostly free from that thanks to Seth apparently leaving it alone after the first season. They've been doing their own incredibly weird thing for awhile now, for better or worse.
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Oct 27, 2019 10:20
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:American Dad is mostly free from that thanks to Seth apparently leaving it alone after the first season. They've been doing their own incredibly weird thing for awhile now, for better or worse. Weirdly enough leaning into Roger being an alien magic wild card who can do and be literally anything and anyone has actually worked really well.
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Oct 27, 2019 10:26
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BrigadierSensible posted:All this talk about rapists being glorified in comedy shows and nobody is talking about Barney in How I Met Your Mother. I think it’s kind of funny because the story essentially is told from Ted‘s POV and he’s basically trying to make Barney look as bad as possible and it kinda makes sense given who the „mother“ is. But yeah Barney hasn’t aged well.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Weirdly enough leaning into Roger being an alien magic wild card who can do and be literally anything and anyone has actually worked really well. I liked his more bizarrre subplots like the one where one of his alter egos (he likes to dress as a random human character and go out and interact with the world) becomes too real and they end up in a one-sided war as Roger tries to destroy this stranger's life not realising that he is that stranger. Also the one where he is pretending to be Francine's husband for a party and they start sabotaging each other's backstory. "Tell them how you killed our baby Francine." "Roger no!" "*whispering to her* Too late. It's been established!"
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It's odd that Seth McFarlane's Orville is so low key in contrast to literally everything else he's done. They seem to handle a race of all males who have babies with one another with a surprising amount of tact. The only questionable episode was a blue Rob Lowe emitting sex pheromones so two hostile alien ambassadors bone each other into peace, which I'm pretty sure doesn't count as consent.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I'm okay with funny characters being irredeemable as long as the show doesn't try to redeem them. How I Met Your Mother did try really hard to redeem Barney though.
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BrigadierSensible posted:All this talk about rapists being glorified in comedy shows and nobody is talking about Barney in How I Met Your Mother. Or the episode where he straight-up admits to selling a woman into human trafficking.
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All this stuff is a consequence of shows just running too long. Eventually you have to try to add depth to the character even though you've already joked about them doing truly terrible things. Or I guess you get rid of the character or something, which presents its own challenges. Or you up the ante and make them even worse, which debatably works on something like South Park, but definitely wouldn't work everywhere.
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American Dad is surprisingly okay and as far as I've seen shockingly inoffensive, for the most part.Kwyndig posted:Bob's Burgers is good, and I don't remember anything problematic about it. Bob's Burgers is wholesome as gently caress and I'm real excited about the movie next year.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Can you elaborate cause I’m rewatching P&R right now and the only tonal dissonance I’ve noticed is between the first and second seasons which is pretty common with sitcoms It seemed like it never knew if it wanted to be a heartearming show about a plucky civic servant or an absurd and cynical show where one character is inexpliably loathed by all the others, for example, and it tried to have it both ways in a way that was pretty weak a lot of the time. Which is really just a set of problems carried over from the US Office and made worse by trying to repeat it. For what it's worth I really only saw seasons 2 and 3 of P&R but I think those are the most beloved ones anyway. londonarbuckle has a new favorite as of 15:40 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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Bob's Burgers is great because the family members actually like each other. I was watching old Simpsons the other day, and I don't think I realized before just how toxic that family was. There are petty squabbles, but at the end of the day Bob and Linda never resent the kids, which is a major trope in other animated comedies.londonarbuckle posted:It seemed like it never knew if it wanted to be a heartearming show about a plucky civic servant or an absurd and cynical show where one character is inexpliably loathed by all the others, for example, and it tried to have it both ways in a way that was pretty weak a lot of the time. Which is really just a set of problems carried over from the US Office and made worse by trying to repeat it. Introducing Adam Scott and Rob Lowe to the cast was the smartest thing that show ever did. They don't really go from being the antagonists to the protagonists until midway through Season 3, though, so it's worth watching more to see how they develop the characters. The arc with Leslie running for city counsel (Season 4) is probably the best.
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hyperhazard posted:Bob's Burgers is great because the family members actually like each other. I was watching old Simpsons the other day, and I don't think I realized before just how toxic that family was. There are petty squabbles, but at the end of the day Bob and Linda never resent the kids, which is a major trope in other animated comedies. It does a great job innovating on the Simpsons formula and is a much better attempt at a latter-day Simpsons than other animated shows that follow the formula more slavishly. Bob in particular is great as a repudiation of where Homer's character went. He's passionate and talented at what he does and is a genuinely nice guy.
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Vandar posted:Bob's Burgers is wholesome as gently caress and I'm real excited about the movie next year. Yeah the only kind of iffy part in Bob's I can think of was some of Marshmallow's early appearances but I don't think it was at all intentional. The show is one of the best feel good comedies on TV right now.
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Season 1 didn't really work for me but Video Game Addiction episode on is amazing.
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Mokinokaro posted:Yeah the only kind of iffy part in Bob's I can think of was some of Marshmallow's early appearances but I don't think it was at all intentional. Their introduction being in the Ladies of the Night Taxi episode is probably what makes the character a little iffy.
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BioEnchanted posted:I liked his more bizarrre subplots like the one where one of his alter egos (he likes to dress as a random human character and go out and interact with the world) becomes too real and they end up in a one-sided war as Roger tries to destroy this stranger's life not realising that he is that stranger. I think it also helps that going along with Roger's poo poo helps establish that everyone's almost as crazy as he is. That and the regular hints that Stan is effectively a functional (barely) sociopath.
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Krispy Wafer posted:It's odd that Seth McFarlane's Orville is so low key in contrast to literally everything else he's done. They seem to handle a race of all males who have babies with one another with a surprising amount of tact. The only questionable episode was a blue Rob Lowe emitting sex pheromones so two hostile alien ambassadors bone each other into peace, which I'm pretty sure doesn't count as consent. Its because he really really wants to just do an actual Star Trek series and not worry about drawing in a big crowd with gross out offensive humor for ratings success.
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It's also probably because The Orville is his ST: TNG fan fic and TNG is one of the most progressive and least controversial shows to co e out of the 90's.
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One reason why American Dad works because every character on the show takes a turn as a punching bag, and have positive and negative qualities. Some have more negative qualities than others (*cough*Roger*cough).
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CityMidnightJunky posted:It's also probably because The Orville is his ST: TNG fan fic and TNG is one of the most progressive and least controversial shows to co e out of the 90's. Uhhhh... (  ?)
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It's a shame every episode of Bob's Burgers has the exact same saccharine sweet structure. You don't need to watch more than one and probably won't want to.
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American Dad does have a running gag that Roger is a rapist, but it works better than Quagmire because aliens raping people is an actual conspiracy theory, so it sort of functions as satire, even if it's really crude satire. Also they had an episode where Andy Dick showed up and he was just like Roger except worse in every way.
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