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Vasukhani posted:really helps convince turks its real when you put it off for 100 years and then do it when it is politically convenient. The turks actually get really mad about this, congress almost, but not quite, did this under obama and the turks were quite upset!
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gradenko_2000 posted:Lebanon's Prime Minister Saad Hariri just announced that he will be resigning second times a charm!
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https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/1189303734163124227 well this'll look bad
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Her point is sound, though. This should have been done ages ago and not during this period where we're mad at Erdogan.
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Vasukhani posted:https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/1189303734163124227 once again Omar is correct
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Vasukhani posted:well this'll look bad yeah to all the right people lol
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is this a way of saying she isn't white
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Grapplejack posted:Her point is sound, though. This should have been done ages ago and not during this period where we're mad at Erdogan. remember when the US made a Ukrainian "genocide" memorial. using dead babies as poker chips is gross. Especially because it doesn't really matter what one country calls it if there is no international recognition.
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Drake bad: ongoing genocide of Palestinians Drake good: genocide from when Turkey didn't even exist yet
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she should introduce an identical bill for palestinians and see how many votes it gets in committee before it's squashed like a child under a bulldozer
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the comments on his fb post are poison, jesus christ
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Vasukhani posted:really helps convince turks its real when you put it off for 100 years and then do it when it is politically convenient. what is "it", the armenian genocide? because the goal of acknowledging a genocide isn't to convince those who commited it that it really did happen.
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i do think it's a bad look, I'm not even sure what it accomplishes
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holy poo poo the interventionists are crawling out of the woodwork on this omar vote
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on the fuckin' war nerd facebook
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Lightning Knight posted:I can see the logic of what Omar did but it also seems like a profoundly foolish and short-sighted decision on a tactical level and is just gonna be used to make her look bad to the public with no real gain for her. What are principles
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There is literally nothing she can do other than quit that won't be used against her so gently caress everyone else
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Jose posted:What are principles I mean I don’t disagree, but also politics in a capitalist society are grimy and gross and it’s lame that her actions will inevitably be read in the worst way possible. I hope she introduces a bunch of “recognize things western countries did as genocide” bills tho because that would be both good and extremely funny.
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean I don’t disagree, but also politics in a capitalist society are grimy and gross and it’s lame that her actions will inevitably be read in the worst way possible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeannette_Rankin
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I mean I respect that lady too even though I disagree with voting against the war in that particular instance, but the big difference between Rankin and Omar is that Rankin materially disagreed with the spirit of what she voted against, whereas Omar does not and merely disagrees on process/political grounds.
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i say swears online posted:on the fuckin' war nerd facebook Incredible screenshot there comrade
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean I don’t disagree, but also politics in a capitalist society are grimy and gross and it’s lame that her actions will inevitably be read in the worst way possible. hope you realize that this kind of weird compromising attitude you have here is how you end up slowly rationalizing yourself further to the right in your head, it takes a long period, but it’s not a healthy mindset. unless you embrace that the kind of people who would object to this literally don’t matter and are either liberals who just post on twitter or are actively working against you in positions of power - you will fall to brain worms. 99% of people do not care about the optics of omar’s vote on this and getting Concerned about it is hazardous to yourself
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THS posted:hope you realize that this kind of weird compromising attitude you have here is how you end up slowly rationalizing yourself further to the right in your head, it takes a long period, but it’s not a healthy mindset. unless you embrace that the kind of people who would object to this literally don’t matter and are either liberals who just post on twitter or are actively working against you in positions of power - you will fall to brain worms. 99% of people do not care about the optics of omar’s vote on this and getting Concerned about it is hazardous to yourself true, I suppose.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saudi-arabia-lav-canada-armoured-vehicles-1.5340087quote:Saudi Arabia still owes about $3.4 billion in late payments for Canadian-produced Light Armoured Vehicles (LAVs), according to the latest quarterly financial results released by General Dynamics last week.
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Lightning Knight posted:I can see the logic of what Omar did but it also seems like a profoundly foolish and short-sighted decision on a tactical level and is just gonna be used to make her look bad to the public with no real gain for her. who in the American public actually gives a gently caress about the House finally voting to acknowledge a genocide that's been widely recognized as such all over America for literally more than a hundred years? it's an obvious political cudgel being wielded against Turkey because the US govt wrote them a blank check to do whatever the gently caress they wanted and then got mad when they used it to do something the US govt wasn't really happy with such an openly unprincipled bill like that is a perfect time to take a political stand based on principle the only people that are going to use it against her are the same class of ghouls who've been complicit in denying the Armenian genocide for political benefit for their entire loving lives. there's nothing for her to fear
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Doctor Jeep posted:what is "it", the armenian genocide? because the goal of acknowledging a genocide isn't to convince those who commited it that it really did happen. it is if you ever want reparations
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Main Paineframe posted:who in the American public actually gives a gently caress about the House finally voting to acknowledge a genocide that's been widely recognized as such all over America for literally more than a hundred years? I care. :armenianflagtear: This has been the number one goal of the Armenian-American lobby and it's nice to see it actually happen. It's much less nice to see it happen because the Kurds are getting ethnically cleansed from northwestern Syrian though.
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If the US was seriously gearing up to invade or or attempt regime change in Turkey, I can see voting present. But Congress mostly seems to having a public show of disagreeing with Trump on this even as the US state as a whole has reached a compromise on the Syria "withdraw." US troops are reoccupying Syrian oil wells and leaving the border area to Russia, Turkey, and Syria to sort out. The Armenian Genocide is controversial because the US has supported the Turkish effort to cover it up around the world, now that the relationship is in crisis it's a fine time to force the issue before the status quo resettles. I saw some speculation on Twitter that her constituents probably campaigned against it, as Turkey has been investing in Somalia, so Somalis in the US might support Turkey on this issue.
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I love the crazy conspiracy that people come up with it couldn’t be her very correct reasoning she gave it has to be a nefarious plot by big Turkey
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Lightning Knight posted:I can see the logic of what Omar did but it also seems like a profoundly foolish and short-sighted decision on a tactical level and is just gonna be used to make her look bad to the public with no real gain for her. Turkey is a huge supporter of Somalia, and they have a lot of ex-pats living in Turkey. It shouldn't be a surprise that a Sunni politician wont criticize a Sunni state. The rationalization she offers is an excuse, she wouldn't vote even if the US wasn't in a spat with Turkey, but she's good on other issues which can be useful in the short term. Pretty much everyone in congress is compromised to some degree and need to be largely voted out. Dreylad has issued a correction as of 20:56 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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I mean, she doesn't even call it a genocide in her statement. Genocide recognition just straight up isn't an academic understanding, it's a political struggle. She's wrong about that. It took political struggle for people to start acknowledging the Slave Trade and the Conquest of the Americas as genocides. Omar is probably still the best US representative but she can be wrong. CharlestheHammer posted:I love the crazy conspiracy that people come up with it couldn’t be her very correct reasoning she gave it has to be a nefarious plot by big Turkey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LraNlv__AU4 Turkey isn't quite at the level of the Israel lobby, but it is big enough to beat up protesters in the US and get away with it.
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Dreylad posted:It shouldn't be a surprise that a Sunni politician wont criticize a Sunni state. I’m sorry, what the gently caress are you talking about?
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Atrocious Joe posted:I mean, she doesn't even call it a genocide in her statement. https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1189325468551602179?s=20
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