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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Not quite the same as most examples, but the original run of MST3K always treated Lord of the Rings as something hideously dorky and only liked by embarrassing nerds. A few more Hobbit movies and it will come back around to being true.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Not quite the same as most examples, but the original run of MST3K always treated Lord of the Rings as something hideously dorky and only liked by embarrassing nerds. And it turns out they were right the whole time! Tom Scharpling made this point on The Best Show a long time ago. Liking Harry Potter and Star Wars and LotR, some of the most profitable properties of all time, is not nerdy. Like more than half the planet likes those things.
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I’ve been watching old Supernatural for Halloween stuff and while most of Season 2 is surprisingly good, the werewolf episode is frankly super gross. The main non-Winchester character in the episode is Madison, someone so completely and utterly devoid of agency that she could have been played by a fleshlight with a martyrdom fetish.
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(Parks & Rec opens with Leslie meeting Joe Biden, Tom referencing R Kelly lyrics, episode written by Harris Wittels) Huh.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:(Parks & Rec opens with Leslie meeting Joe Biden, Tom referencing R Kelly lyrics, episode written by Harris Wittels) What’s wrong with Harris Wittels?
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Henchman of Santa posted:What’s wrong with Harris Wittels? Hes dead and thats the same thing as being problematic
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Nov 4, 2019 01:41
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You know whose also dead? Yeah that's right, Adolf Hitler!
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FreudianSlippers posted:You know whose also dead? But to be fair, he was also the guy who killed Adolf Hitler.
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Nov 4, 2019 06:54
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dead people don't exist, everyone is alive
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Ghost Leviathan posted:But to be fair, he was also the guy who killed Adolf Hitler. If he'd done it sooner, he wouldn't have had to have done.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:But to be fair, he was also the guy who killed Adolf Hitler. When the best thing you've ever done is also the last thing you do...you're usually a hero or martyr.
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Nov 4, 2019 13:26
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It's certainly true that Harris Wittels isn't aging well.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Also hes a celebrity and celebrities dream about owning their own restaurant even more than regular people do. This is true. To bring up another TV show example, when The Larry Sanders Show kept it going with Hank's Look-Around Cafe. I'm tempted to rewatch the series because that plot-line was genius. It's so perfectly Hank Kingsley.
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I kinda like new South Park episodes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9CFgJ9Smk
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Watching the Daria summer special, and some bits have aged all too well. Mr O'Neil's completely useless brand of caring is almost infuriating given how that basically became omnipresent for far too long. A lot of subtext is a lot more clear in retrospect; that Quinn's a lot smarter than she lets on, and puts way more effort into her outfits (at least in theory) than the rest of the Fashion Club, but it's not like it matters to anyone but themselves. And has an interest in the more fun parts of history.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of subtext is a lot more clear in retrospect; that Quinn's a lot smarter than she lets on Both of the siblings make deliberate choices to minimize aspects of themselves. Quinn figures she's young and attractive and can skate by on social standing, but also doesn't want to be boxed in as a nerd or smart girl despite the chops to do so. Daria doesn't want to be objectified and she rails against everything so that people engage her intellectually first and foremost. The Morgendorfer women are pretty interesting slices of 90s womanhood, each equally valid. But really I think it's Jane that's probably the most complete or self-actualized character.
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Pretty much all the characters in Daria are more than they first appear. There's a lot of depth to them that reveals itself over time while still allowing them to serve as simple caricatures of particular stereotypes. It's an incredibly good show.
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True. I think I've spoken to this in the thread before, but the cynical ennui didn't age well at all. Watched it with someone younger a while back and they were just mystified at how an upper-class suburbanite with a home and professional parents could be so unhappy.
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FilthyImp posted:True. I think I've spoken to this in the thread before, but the cynical ennui didn't age well at all. Watched it with someone younger a while back and they were just mystified at how an upper-class suburbanite with a home and professional parents could be so unhappy. Could it perhaps be because, shockingly, the trappings of wealth accrued without real purpose cannot bring happiness to all people? Was that perhaps a recurring theme and part of the shows critique of empty capitalism? poo poo, the hippy episode even looked at that from the other side.
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Daria was about the hollowness of teetering on the brink, while we’re now well over the edge and careening into the pit. I can understand confusion from people who never knew the end of history era.
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Hearing Daria's dad exclaim he was mortgaged to his eyeballs was my first realization that you can look well off and not be well off. Which was a revelation to someone who neither looked well off or was well off. Kind of like that moment in a child's life where they realize they're poor, except it was me realizing others were poor.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Hearing Daria's dad exclaim he was mortgaged to his eyeballs was my first realization that you can look well off and not be well off. Which was a revelation to someone who neither looked well off or was well off. I have intense love and devotion for my mom who kept us fed and clothed and very happy as kids and never held us back despite being a single mother on government disability. Like I remember having a discussion where it was like "oh we're under the poverty line and we're poor? wow it uh sure doesn't feel like that." My strongest memories of being poor are just two pieces of media really driving home poverty and feeling that super hard, although I'd never had the experience of eating cold mac and cheese for a week or not being able to afford new shoes at Christmas.
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Tiggum posted:Pretty much all the characters in Daria are more than they first appear. There's a lot of depth to them that reveals itself over time while still allowing them to serve as simple caricatures of particular stereotypes. It's an incredibly good show. The primary point of the show was really that appearance isn't everything. It was a direct critique of the appearance-obsessed narcissism of contemporary American culture. The people who didn't get it didn't see that because they were precisely what the show was criticizing. Most of the characters focused on having the appearance of something specific rather than creating any sort of actual substance. Daria wasn't entirely immune to that but even then she mostly told people right to their faces how stupid they were being. In the case of Daria's parents they were so obsessed with appearing successful that they worked constantly to the point that their children were actually kind of emotionally neglected. They also borrowed as much as possible to have the nicest things right now. I've been reading a lot about the psychological effects of that sort of thing and how Quinn and Daria behave is really spot on; Quinn became pretty narcissistic while Daria went "fate accepted" and largely withdrew from society. She's massively cynical and has knowledge beyond her years which is not a good sign. ToxicSlurpee has a new favorite as of 18:50 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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The lunk QB actually being held back was a big surprise, I figured he'd coast on through like in the real life.
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Volcott posted:The lunk QB actually being held back was a big surprise, I figured he'd coast on through like in the real life. Kevin was like special education levels of not getting school work, even with the sports boost you’re gonna have problems convincing a college to take someone who’s working with a 2nd grade reading ability He was also (alongside Brittany) kind of a neat inversion of QBs and cheerleaders in high school since they were super sweet and oblivious to the fact that everyone thought they were idiots and mocked them
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I think Kev was only like midtier High School good. Not like built like a Samoan College kid good, so the sports could o ly go so far. Likely far enough for a car dealership or high school coaching job, really. And didn't Britney have some kind of rainman skill that came up once? Like she was super good at mechanics or something.
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The episodes with Kevin outside of his armour show he's actually kind of scrawny, or at least average at best. Despite his all-round idiocy he's actually a pretty good footballer, and relies more on speed and tactics. The strong implication, especially given how corrupt and greedy the principal is and how an episode establishes the football team performs terribly without him (since Mack, despite being more intelligent, isn't good at making decisions; he's mentioned to be overdrawn on his allowance most of his life and spent his summer working to pay back money he owes his dad) the clear implication is he was held back specifically so the school would get at least one more year with their star QB. I'm not sure if that's a common thing, but there was an episode of Milo Murphy's Law where the opposing football team consists entirely of students who've been held back for years, and thus are basically angry adults playing against teenagers. Brittany turned out to be loving terrifying at paintball, and she gets decent grades. More that much like the Fashion Club, being attractive and popular and having a valued extracurricular means she gets a by on a lot of things and rarely has to think, but she's not entirely terrible at it when she's forced to. Kind of a theme in Daria and other subversive teen media of the era, Heathers comes to mind, is that adults assume teenagers are being sheltered from the realities of life, but they really aren't- they're already being abused and exploited, and adults are deliberately, dangerously oblivious to it.
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The Orville, the whole show. Especially the "trans surgery" episode and especially the blue alien rapist episode.
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The blue alien rapist is a terrible episode, but the Moclan storyline was pretty good. Especially how it keeps coming up instead of being resolved in one episode like most shows.
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I straight up refused to watch the Orville, but my wife watched a bit of it. I ended up seeing maybe two episodes in passing. We've watched all of Star Trek TNG, and we're working our way through DS9 now, and she gets really pissed because some of the few 'well, ok, this had a genuinely interesting concept behind it' episodes of the Orville turn out to be idea ripoffs from Trek she hadn't seen yet. Then we were IMDB'ing and figured out that the one good actress on the show was pulled from later DS9 episodes that we hadn't seen yet. I guess orville pulled a few old trek/sci-fi actors and even a few old trek writers, too. A parody trek should be good, but Mcfarlane is the worst. Fuckin sucks because Galaxy Quest was great (and still holds up) - it could be done.
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Not sure if you know this but Mcfarlane is a huge Star Trek fan, so much so that he had a guest spot on Enterprise (maybe two?). I haven't watched Orville but it doesn't surprise me that he's doing his takes on Star Trek episodes since he basically just wanted to make a new Star Trek show anyway.
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If you want a modern optimistic vision of the future, the Orville is the only game in town. Also, the worst Orville episodes are not as bad as Code of Honor or Beverly's Sex Ghost.
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Beachcomber posted:If you want a modern optimistic vision of the future, the Orville is the only game in town. Also, the worst Orville episodes are not as bad as Code of Honor or Beverly's Sex Ghost. I feel like the really bad TNG episodes are much more palatable, though. Because they kinda just fall into the category of 'weird and dumb', they're much more fun to look back on and laugh at. Whereas bad Orville is kinda just too offensive to hit that note.
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Cleretic posted:I feel like the really bad TNG episodes are much more palatable, though. Because they kinda just fall into the category of 'weird and dumb', they're much more fun to look back on and laugh at. Whereas bad Orville is kinda just too offensive to hit that note. have you seen Code of Honor
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Alaois posted:have you seen Code of Honor My favourite fun fact about Code of Honor is that the lady who wrote it also wrote the cringy badass lady in a super chauvinist society third episode of SG-1 My second favourite fun fact is that the casting director is the one who decided that everyone would be black.
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The seventh season had some really boring and bad episodes in it. Like the one about the murder that took place during the construction of the enterprise.
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There’s a really harsh interview with I think Ronald D Moore where he explains that one day they were trying to write an episode about Geordie’s mom and they realized it was probably time to end the show because who cares about Geordie’s mom? I don’t think that one is that bad but I only saw it once 15 years ago, so maybe it was.
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I can understand someone’s aversion to Seth McFarland, but the Orville isn’t Family Guy or even Oscar opening song terrible. McFarland’s not even the main character is most of the episodes which helps a lot.
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