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Sab669 posted:I think you have this backwards; when I hear Lena Headey 300 pops into my mind. But yea I don't know quite how big she was pre-GoT. I had no idea who Dinklage was beforehand though. I had seen both Dinklage and Headey in some movies, but their roles were so unimportant, so I didn't remember them. But they both made drat fine work in GoT. Then again both Cersei's and Tyrion's roles made it possible for the actors to show their potential, but Moiraine is a much more boring character than either of them.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with people talking about who would be fun to see fill each role. Just because we think one person would be awesome doesn't mean we're all pining away hoping against hope that that's who'll get the role. It's a fun time filler while we wait for the series to come out or roles to be announced. Why spoil the fun with "No big name actors will appear in this?" Also, just because you're not super familiar with an actor doesn't mean nobody else is. Rosamund Pike might not be Julia Roberts or whatever, but she's not exactly a nobody.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:You realize that HBO doesn't actually have a stable in Santa Fe where they put actors who aren't currently filming for them, right? Yes thank you for this clarification. I certainly couldn't have meant that HBO and its production teams had spent years developing strong working relationships with several actors who were happy to make time for HBO projects because they were a reliable paycheck. ChubbyChecker posted:I had seen both Dinklage and Headey in some movies, but their roles were so unimportant, so I didn't remember them. But they both made drat fine work in GoT. Then again both Cersei's and Tyrion's roles made it possible for the actors to show their potential, but Moiraine is a much more boring character than either of them. I was aware of Dinklage but couldn't have told you it was Headey in 300 until after GoT put her on my radar.
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ChubbyChecker posted:I had seen both Dinklage and Headey in some movies, but their roles were so unimportant, so I didn't remember them. But they both made drat fine work in GoT. Then again both Cersei's and Tyrion's roles made it possible for the actors to show their potential, but Moiraine is a much more boring character than either of them. yes, nuance equates to boredom, just give us tits and trollocs dammit!
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When do Moiraine POVs start? As early as book 2? I always thought those did a good job of showing what an impossible situation she was in trying to guide Rand without making him feel controlled.
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Atlas Hugged posted:When do Moiraine POVs start? As early as book 2? The internet tells me that chapter 53 of EotW is a Moiraine POV. Then there are four in TGH.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:The internet tells me that chapter 53 of EotW is a Moiraine POV. Then there are four in TGH. Oh duh, I just read that. I think it's mostly not a Moiraine POV until the very end bit though, so the only real reveal is that she knows Rand is the Dragon.
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Most of the way through Winter's Heart, and I'm really enjoying how Mat only does things because there is no one else to do them. Accidental hero? Unintentional? Unwilling?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Most of the way through Winter's Heart, and I'm really enjoying how Mat only does things because there is no one else to do them. Accidental hero? Unintentional? Unwilling? Yeah, that's the key to Mat's character, that I'm not sure Sanderson ever fully picked up on. Mat doesn't want to be responsible but when the chips are down he is. The scenes in Book 5 or so where Mat starts leading the Band during the Seige of Cairhien are some of the best in the book for exactly that reason. It's the Prince Hal fantasy. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Nov 6, 2019 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, that's the key to Mat's character, that I'm not sure Sanderson ever fully picked up on. Mat doesn't want to be responsible but when the chips are down he is. In fairness to Sanderson, Mat was transitioning to doing his unbeatable TV luck + old general knowledge combo on purpose all throughout book 11, which is the last one RJ did alone. I do agree that Sanderson didn't really seem to get Mat, but I think trying to write him at the the tail end of this long-time-coming genuine character development was a big ask.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, that's the key to Mat's character, that I'm not sure Sanderson ever fully picked up on. Mat doesn't want to be responsible but when the chips are down he is. aparmenideanmonad posted:In fairness to Sanderson, Mat was transitioning to doing his unbeatable TV luck + old general knowledge combo on purpose all throughout book 11, which is the last one RJ did alone. I do agree that Sanderson didn't really seem to get Mat, but I think trying to write him at the the tail end of this long-time-coming genuine character development was a big ask. Where Sanderson did do well was Talmanes. He loving called it with how he basically called Mat out. He was constantly lying to himself about who he was, not wanting to be an authority or responsible one. But earlier there was the thing where Mat wins a battle just because he was trying to keep his soldiers from getting killed, where an actually irresponsible fellow would have just slunk away. Jordan did a good job with unreliable narrators. See also Rand and his madness, Elayne and her snobbishness, and Elaida and her... everything.
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I'm not a noble! That's not how it works! Actually, that's *exactly* how it works. Marrying one is pretty much the only way of becoming one. AWKWARD SILENCE.
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https://twitter.com/WoTonPrime/status/1192124485022863361 Well, GoT didn't get him type cast as a bad guy, at least.
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Nov 6, 2019 18:15
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The dark one sends his regards.
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Interesting casting there. Tam doesn't have a huge role, so I guess that frees him up to do other stuff and avoids having a pretty prominent GoT cast member front and center throughout the show.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Interesting casting there. Tam doesn't have a huge role, so I guess that frees him up to do other stuff and avoids having a pretty prominent GoT cast member front and center throughout the show. He's around for like, at least 3/4 of Perrin's arcs though. Sure, after the kids leave Emond's Field, he's out of Season 1, then he's around for the bulk of TSR with Perrin, then he's around again when Perrin's Two Rivers delegation shows up to Cairhien in 6 and he sticks around all the way through the end.
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Story wise, does he do anything especially important other than convincing Rand that he doesn't need to be ice-cold? They could easily just only keep him around for Season 1 and have another character do that 
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Sab669 posted:Story wise, does he do anything especially important other than convincing Rand that he doesn't need to be ice-cold? They could easily just only keep him around for Season 1 and have another character do that Sure, I mean, same way Sulin and Nandera vanish because Brandon Sanderson forgot about them. But I would hope that the series runners would do a better job of that. And this seems to be a Rand-centric view of the side characters? Like they could get rid of Elyas and Hopper because they never meet Rand.
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I remember he tags alongside Perrin at later points in the story, I just literally don't remember what he does. All I'm saying is what with how Hollywood works, it seems like it's probably really hard to say, "Hey so we want you to do Season 1, and then also come back in 6 years for some more?" GoT combined book characters into single on-screen characters, or removed them entirely - there's no way Amazon won't do the same here. Sab669 fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Nov 6, 2019 |
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Tam shoulda been tagalong to Rand, how does he manage to be Perrins surrogate father instead? Kinda a weird choice but definitely not one that I would have thought of unless he’s around a lot more in later books I haven’t gotten to.
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Invalid Validation posted:Tam shoulda been tagalong to Rand, how does he manage to be Perrins surrogate father instead? Kinda a weird choice but definitely not one that I would have thought of unless he’s around a lot more in later books I haven’t gotten to. Rand losing all his surrogate parents and getting completely untethered is part of his character arc though.
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^ exactly. And perrin needs the father figure
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Honestly that's pretty good casting.
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RC Cola posted:^ exactly. And perrin needs the father figure Not just a father figure, though. Perrin's arc had a poo poo ton of fighting in it, having someone around like Tam who could justifiably train/lead soldiers and help form an army was pretty important. Tam filled that role perfectly, what with being a blademaster and fairly high ranking in an elite combat unit.
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Interesting thing about Tam is, he was the original Rand in Jordans first draft.
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I liked how you never really had Tam doing fully sick duels on the front lines, that time for him had passed so he became a leader. Tam rules
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I liked how you never really had Tam doing fully sick duels on the front lines, that time for him had passed so he became a leader. Boooo I want the recut where Tam is the one to finally beat Demandred in a duel.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Interesting thing about Tam is, he was the original Rand in Jordans first draft. Much more about the death metal outline of the Wheel of Time here: https://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-genesis-of-wheel-of-time.html
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Huh. Mazrim Taim was Demandred all along.
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Tam was fully badass in his own right, though not close to Thom. He ran away to go adventuring on his own, learned all the poo poo he needed on the way, fought in at least 4 wars, rose to the 2nd highest rank possible in the elite Illianer Companions, dueled and killed a blademaster, and was awarded an actual power-wrought heron-marked blade (and not a post-Breaking imitation) by the then King of Illian. Then, like, think about the kind of slaughter the Aiel War had to have been to make this guy go back to the shithole provincial village he came from to take up a life of farming. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Nov 6, 2019 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Huh. Mazrim Taim was Demandred all along. It is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer.
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Can we spoiler poo poo from the last 3 books or whatever? I’m almost halfway done with 14 and would rather not read stuff like that.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Can we spoiler poo poo from the last 3 books or whatever? I’m almost halfway done with 14 and would rather not read stuff like that. some of the "spoilers" are complete bullshit so don't worry all that much.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Can we spoiler poo poo from the last 3 books or whatever? I’m almost halfway done with 14 and would rather not read stuff like that. I think we're being pretty good about spoilers right now, I can't see anything that's more specific than "super vague and/or misleading" and a lot of this last page is made-up.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:It is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Tam was fully badass in his own right, though not close to Thom. He ran away to go adventuring on his own, learned all the poo poo he needed on the way, fought in at least 4 wars, rose to the 2nd highest rank possible in the elite Illianer Companions, dueled and killed a blademaster, and was awarded an actual power-wrought heron-marked blade (and not a post-Breaking imitation) by the then King of Illian. I dunno he got chumped by a Trolloc
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Sometimes I think I care about spoilers then I remember I don’t remember poo poo so do what you will.
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Invalid Validation posted:Tam shoulda been tagalong to Rand, how does he manage to be Perrins surrogate father instead? Kinda a weird choice but definitely not one that I would have thought of unless he’s around a lot more in later books I haven’t gotten to. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Rand losing all his surrogate parents and getting completely untethered is part of his character arc though. It was also Rand's conscious decision to cut all ties to his home as his way of protecting them. He knew if he showed attachment to the Two Rivers that would be used against him (and they would suffer for it) so he pretended he didn't give a poo poo (while quietly asking Perrin to look after it). He loved his home so much that the only thing he could do was pretend it meant nothing. Tam is the perfect intersection between Rand and Perrin for that to play out
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