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is the market for home talking cylinders actually larger than the market for home audio?
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Nov 6, 2019 23:56
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i've been using the same basic lovely alarm clock for over 20 years now and it still works fine so why change
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Nov 6, 2019 23:58
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Plorkyeran posted:i've been using the same basic lovely alarm clock for over 20 years now and it still works fine so why change you might get made fun of on an internet forum for not switching to something more complicated and less reliable
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Nov 6, 2019 23:59
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you could have the worst of both worlds: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20191104-01/?p=103052quote:For some reason, my alarm clock requires that I install an app on my phone. And the app required me to create an account.
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Nov 7, 2019 00:01
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infernal machines posted:is the market for home talking cylinders actually larger than the market for home audio? by number of customers, probably. it’s a competition for ecosystems, not really about money for any of the players. amazon and goog certainly aren’t making money selling these things, but they hope to recover it from other channels. Apple has to try to make money because they make money from hardware, which is why they’re going to do poorly in this market.
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Nov 7, 2019 00:05
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tbh if you wake to beeps thats cool, im able to sleep through monotonous sounds impressively well so it was a series of gimmick clocks until phones got polyphonic sounds a buzzing watch on my wrist is way better though. for a while before that id been considering a deaf alarm clock since those use physical movement instead of noise
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Nov 7, 2019 00:05
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infernal machines posted:is the market for home talking cylinders actually larger than the market for home audio? it's not and this is a case of valley people not understanding what the rest of the world is like, home audio is a big market but it's an established one that is actually growing, and not just in soundbars and bluetooth speakers. talking cylinders are popular now because they're novel and being given away for firesale prices it's a tough market for tech companies to enter because there's hundreds of existing players and some level of interoperability is expected by consumers
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Nov 7, 2019 00:06
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Agile Vector posted:for a while before that id been considering a deaf alarm clock since those use physical movement instead of noise 
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Nov 7, 2019 00:08
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The Management posted:by number of customers, probably. it seems like a weird spot for apple though, because they claim to respect your privacy, but the competing devices exist solely to have another avenue to collect data to monetize. so why is apple even making one?
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Nov 7, 2019 00:11
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infernal machines posted:it seems like a weird spot for apple though, because they claim to respect your privacy, but the competing devices exist solely to have another avenue to collect data to monetize. so why is apple even making one? because tim cook has no product vision other than "does this support a service with recurring billing?"
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Nov 7, 2019 00:14
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infernal machines posted:it seems like a weird spot for apple though, because they claim to respect your privacy, but the competing devices exist solely to have another avenue to collect data to monetize. so why is apple even making one? if you use Alexa to set your reminders and play your music and find out stupid facts, you will want to use it on your phone too, and you won’t be using Siri like you are totally doing right now. they can’t have amazon or google own your home interface, because it will be the hub for all of your connected home things and they want you to ask Siri to turn your lights off or use HomeKit to set the temperature.
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Nov 7, 2019 00:58
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Boiled Water posted:hey there northern buddy we have the same setup i can understand her, im not a huge fan of unnecessary lights earlier in the morning than planned
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Nov 7, 2019 01:05
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for some people a good option in that scenario is vibrating bracelets, but i think ive developed immunity to those as a seasoned cars/public transport/planes sleeper
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Nov 7, 2019 01:08
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my phone alarm works ok, but i usually wake up an hour early with the pack of magpies loving, fighting, and making GBS threads just outside my window
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Nov 7, 2019 01:29
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The Management posted:if you use Alexa to set your reminders and play your music and find out stupid facts, you will want to use it on your phone too, and you won’t be using Siri like you are totally doing right now. they can’t have amazon or google own your home interface, because it will be the hub for all of your connected home things and they want you to ask Siri to turn your lights off or use HomeKit to set the temperature. so it's an entirely aspirational product to gain a foothold in a market that essentially doesn't exist? yeah, i guess that scans
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Nov 7, 2019 01:34
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my read of the homepod was that it was an essentially defensive product - apple saw amazon and google run away with the voice command gizmo market and was worried about being locked out of that market, so they came out with a me-too offering to fill a hole in their lineup same reason microsoft developed the xbox, and google bought fitbit this week
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Nov 7, 2019 01:37
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nothing worthwhile supports homekit
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Nov 7, 2019 01:42
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FMguru posted:same reason microsoft developed the xbox somehow i don't see the followup homepod 360 running away with the smart speaker market
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Nov 7, 2019 01:51
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apple needs to make a roomba clone
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Nov 7, 2019 02:46
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echinopsis posted:apple needs to make a roomba clone it would be the first modern apple product that didn't suck 
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Nov 7, 2019 03:06
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Man I need some place to rant. Apple is such a loving GARBAGE COMPANY now. My loving idiotic butterfly keyboard replace the top cover TWICE poo poo-the-bed-loving-idiot-retard-son MacbookPro tried to install Catalina. DESPITE ME HAVING DISABLED AUTO UPDATES! But luckily I had TextMate running so it couldn't do it. So I go to the software update tab and see that there's some security and some safari updates there as well. So I check those and UNCHECK THE loving CATALINA update. Save my files. Hit "Reset". What does it do?! It installs the loving OS!! It's installing CATALINA RIGHT THE gently caress NOW!! loving COCKROACH poo poo rear end GARBAGE UPDATE! Kill yourself Timb! Aarrrgrhrhrgghh!! iohj s@goia45
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Nov 7, 2019 03:51
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mods plz send attendants thx
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Nov 7, 2019 04:06
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VomitOnLino posted:Man I need some place to rant. Apple is such a loving GARBAGE COMPANY now. 
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Nov 7, 2019 04:16
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VomitOnLino posted:Man I need some place to rant. Apple is such a loving GARBAGE COMPANY now.
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Nov 7, 2019 04:24
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Uptime Sinclair posted:VomitOnLimo more like MeltdownOnline-o 3-11 is nothing compared to me
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Nov 7, 2019 04:26
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did did you just make a beautiful disaster joke? 
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Nov 7, 2019 05:04
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:it would be the first modern apple product that didn't suck fuckin lmao
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Nov 7, 2019 05:15
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VomitOnLino posted:Man I need some place to rant. Apple is such a loving GARBAGE COMPANY now. penus
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Nov 7, 2019 05:28
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i liked the morning show
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Nov 7, 2019 07:10
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theadder posted:mods plz send attendants thx
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Nov 7, 2019 11:18
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Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:simply sleep with the windows uncovered so the sun can wake you in the morning. a cell phone alarm works as backup. love to wake up at 9:30 in the winter and at 4:00 in the summer
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Nov 7, 2019 13:48
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pram posted:nothing worthwhile supports homekit then again, nothing wothwhile supports any "smart home" bullshit
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Nov 7, 2019 13:52
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ikea will wind up taking over the smart home space simply by virtue of having a few simple lamps and blinds, with a side of rebranded sonos speakers, while adding a pretty minimal amount of bullshit to it.
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Nov 7, 2019 14:01
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:ikea will wind up taking over the smart home space simply by virtue of having a few simple lamps and blinds, with a side of rebranded sonos speakers, while adding a pretty minimal amount of bullshit to it. works for me, the only “smart” piece of houseware that i want is blinds
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Nov 7, 2019 14:12
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infernal machines posted:is the market for home talking cylinders actually larger than the market for home audio? depending on how youre measuring 41% of us households have smart speakers (as of the end of 2018) and that's better market penetration than tablets or wearables i have no idea youre defining "home audio" tho
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Nov 7, 2019 14:40
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LastInLine posted:depending on how youre measuring 41% of us households have smart speakers (as of the end of 2018) and that's better market penetration than tablets or wearables i'm not the one who made the differentiation The Management posted:Apple isn’t buying Sonos because they exist in a field Apple doesn’t actually care about, home audio. the home audio market is small (for Apple) and has little growth potential. for Apple this is a waste of time.
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Nov 7, 2019 15:03
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the management is of course right, it is a matter of rejecting any market which is not at least as big as peak iphone. its just that such a market does not exist in physical goods, so some weird service vision where everyone on earth pays a bill to you every month it is. it is pretty sad really, i would have loved to see apple just cruise to a dominant position in the markets for tv's and home audio, because i am pretty sure they could have done a way better job on both than the companies currently in the space. not in specs/price of course, but ease of use and being a brand where you wont screw yourself over by just buying whatever they recommend would differentiate them plenty. it is not that hard to see why apple wouldn't want to become bang olufsen, but it sure would have been more interesting than whatever they're doing now.
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Nov 7, 2019 15:45
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echinopsis posted:apple needs to make a roomba clone they can just tweak the mac pro case a little
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Nov 7, 2019 16:00
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ain’t that the truth. im not particularly brand-engaged but it’s been really disappointing over the past few years to see the only company making decent laptops and phones just start turning out crap. laptop makers have stepped up well enough; not sure what’ll happen with phones
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Nov 7, 2019 16:00
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LastInLine posted:depending on how youre measuring 41% of us households have smart speakers (as of the end of 2018) and that's better market penetration than tablets or wearables probably it’s only that high because google and amazon basically give them away for free. i think my dad got his google home mini for like $10
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