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https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2019/1106/1088983-saracens-a-no-show-at-champions-cup-launch/ Sarries showing the expected amount of class about the whole business
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Communist Bear posted:There isn't. It's an old school club of corruption and bribery. Swap Japan and Australia.
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Vagabundo posted:Swap Japan and Australia. Still better than Australia deserves
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Nov 7, 2019 12:57
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Scotland fined £70k and being forced to apologise to World Rugby and Rugby World Cup Limited for bringing the game into disrepute over the fiasco in Japan. World Rugby sticking the boot in to cover failings on both sides to not look like total fuckwits seems standard practice. I'm sure Pichot will say something incredibly stupid about residency soon to redress the balance.
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Nov 7, 2019 13:52
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Vaders Jester posted:Scotland fined £70k and being forced to apologise to World Rugby and Rugby World Cup Limited for bringing the game into disrepute over the fiasco in Japan. Lol good. I love Scotland but threatening to sue world rugby over a typhoon was dumb.
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Nov 7, 2019 16:09
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Nov 7, 2019 17:07
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Kitchner posted:Lol good. Spoilers: They didn't threaten anything, seeking legal advice on the T&C of a contract isn't a threat to sue anyone.
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bessantj posted:"forced to apologise" Yeah, it's literally in the punishment handed down that the SRU have to apologise.
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Nov 7, 2019 19:00
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Vaders Jester posted:Spoilers: They didn't threaten anything, seeking legal advice on the T&C of a contract isn't a threat to sue anyone. Of course not. If your employer brings you into the office and says they were very displeased with your conduct at work and they are speaking to their lawyers for advice, that is in no way threatening whatsoever. Nope siree, just normal every day activity to speak to your lawyers when you aren't seriously considering legal action. Not only doing that, but then very normal to announce it to the world in a press conference when they could have just saught advice privately.
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Nov 7, 2019 19:19
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Kitchner posted:Of course not. Correct. Saying "I'm seeking legal advice regarding my contract because I think there might be extenuating circumstances here" is literally just that, especially regarding the possible force majeure about moving venues on the same day. It's almost like suing people isn't the only thing legal advice can be used for. The dumbfuck move in the SRUs case was saying they were doing it in public.
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Nov 7, 2019 19:33
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I mean I don't think anyone here is advocating that the SRU can't talk to its lawyers whenever it wants. I'm saying that they threatened to sue World Rugby because they held a press conference where they said they were seeking legal advice. If someone tells you something you've done is bad and they are speaking to a lawyer, that's a threat. "Hi tenant, I'm not happy with the state you are keeping my house in, I'm speaking to a lawyer" "hi employee, I'm not happy with your performance, I'm speaking to a lawyer" "Hello sir, I am not happy with the fact you keep going through my wife's garbage, I'm speaking to a lawyer". They threatened World Rugby, were asked to apologise and donate to a disaster charity, refused and suggested both sides should make a statement saying it was everyone's fault, and then got slapped with a fine and told to apologise for threatening WR. Totally deserved.
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Nov 7, 2019 19:41
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I'm pretty sure they were happy to pay the fine to charity, it's the apology to World Rugby when the "robust contingency plan" of moving the match to a stadium 14 miles away when storms are regularly a 100km across, was laughably shite that was galling to the SRU. Both parties are loving morons but WR are just sticking the boot in and being belligerent pricks about it. Vaders Jester fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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Nov 7, 2019 19:45
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The day the SRU has to write a contingency plan for 100km wide typhoons occurring during the last 3 days of their rugby world cup pool stages and they have a better plan I'll take that criticism seriously.
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Nov 7, 2019 19:57
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Good thing WR had 2 years to look at other options for a weather phenomenon that occurs every year then.
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Nov 7, 2019 20:21
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just lol if you think a typhoon like Hagibis happens "every year"
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I mean if you want to make the argument it's dumb to hole a world cup in a country where it can suffer from typhoons during typhoon season. That's fair, but if you only hold the world cup in countries safe from extreme weather it will be held in the British Isles every time. The counter argument is holding the world cup in an up and coming country like Japan benefits rugby more than the risk of a typhoon happening to occur during the world cup pool stages (they already said basically if it happens in the pool stages there's no time to rearrange games). Personally I think the benefit did outweigh the risks, and I think even in hindsight it was the right call.
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Nov 7, 2019 20:32
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Julio Cruz posted:just lol if you think a typhoon like Hagibis happens "every year" Not what I said. It's literally called typhoon season, Hagibis was a freak storm even by Japanese standards but it's not like they didn't know that typhoons were a thing.
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Nov 7, 2019 20:33
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Kitchner posted:I mean if you want to make the argument it's dumb to hole a world cup in a country where it can suffer from typhoons during typhoon season. That's fair, but if you only hold the world cup in countries safe from extreme weather it will be held in the British Isles every time. By all means, hold it in Japan, even during the typhoon season, that's cool and it was one of the most fun world cups ever. But don't tell teams that there are "robust contingencies" in place when there really aren't. Either have those contingencies in place or say all matches will be cancelled. A half-arsed statement helps no one and just leads to confusion.
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Nov 7, 2019 20:35
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Vaders Jester posted:Not what I said. It's literally called typhoon season, Hagibis was a freak storm even by Japanese standards but it's not like they didn't know that typhoons were a thing. hmm it's almost as if the lesser typhoons that happen normally would have required far less of a contingency plan
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Nov 7, 2019 20:39
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Julio Cruz posted:hmm it's almost as if the lesser typhoons that happen normally would have required far less of a contingency plan The lesser typhoons are bigger than 14 miles across but at least you tried.
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Nov 7, 2019 20:40
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Vaders Jester posted:The lesser typhoons are bigger than 14 miles across but at least you tried. right, and they don't tend to have things like 150mph winds which is the reason the games were called off the worst that's likely to happen with a regular typhoon is a flooded pitch, hmm I wonder what the best response to that would be
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Nov 7, 2019 20:43
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Julio Cruz posted:right, and they don't tend to have things like 150mph winds which is the reason the games were called off Even the smallest are around 90mph, making play pretty much impossible in the local area.
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Nov 7, 2019 20:46
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Vaders Jester posted:Even the smallest are around 90mph, making play pretty much impossible in the local area. so instead you want people to be flying to the other end of the country in those winds? yeah that sounds like a great idea, what could possibly go wrong if the contingency plan had been "play the game on another island" you'd have the SRU saying that the journey would be unsafe for players and fans and this whole thing is moot anyway because, guess what, the game actually got played and there was no need for the SRU to get their legal dick out and start waving it around Julio Cruz fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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Nov 7, 2019 20:53
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I'm sure the SRU have plans in place for a three foot snowfall the evening before a game at murryfield 
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Foxtrot_13 posted:I'm sure the SRU have plans in place for a three foot snowfall the evening before a game at murryfield It's called a snifter of whiskey per player and being told "Get on outta there you wee pansies!"
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Nov 7, 2019 21:06
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Julio Cruz posted:so instead you want people to be flying to the other end of the country in those winds? yeah that sounds like a great idea, what could possibly go wrong That's some weird leaps of logic you've made there, I'm not entirely sure where you got that I suggest planes fly through a typhoon but you do you.
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Nov 7, 2019 21:14
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Kitchner posted:It's called a snifter of whiskey per player and being told "Get on outta there you wee pansies!" Mark Dodson, is that you?!
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Nov 7, 2019 21:14
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SRU looked extra stupid when the game went ahead anyway and they were comprehensively beaten.
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In a shocking turn of events, feel free to have at it with the SRU, gently caress me they're dumb. This is a post by Stuart Cameron, who has covered club rugby in Scotland for years and is now no longer allowed to as the SRU have revoked his license. quote:PERSONAL STATEMENT
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Vaders Jester posted:That's some weird leaps of logic you've made there, I'm not entirely sure where you got that I suggest planes fly through a typhoon but you do you. well your problem with the original contingency plan seemed to be "the backup stadium is too close to the main one" so I'm explaining how an alternative plan of having the backup stadium a lot further away comes with its own issues
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Julio Cruz posted:well your problem with the original contingency plan seemed to be "the backup stadium is too close to the main one" so I'm explaining how an alternative plan of having the backup stadium a lot further away comes with its own issues No its fine, they should have done better. The SRU who mostly have to deal with drunk Scots throwing up their kebab and headbutting each other, the occasional heavy snow, and the odd enraged ram running around the road should teach Japan how to deal with natural disasters.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:56
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Julio Cruz posted:well your problem with the original contingency plan seemed to be "the backup stadium is too close to the main one" so I'm explaining how an alternative plan of having the backup stadium a lot further away comes with its own issues You made up weird hypothetical situations that wouldn't happen to support your bizarre argument about flying through typhoons but carry on.
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Kitchner posted:No its fine, they should have done better. The SRU who mostly have to deal with drunk Scots throwing up their kebab and headbutting each other, the occasional heavy snow, and the odd enraged ram running around the road should teach Japan how to deal with natural disasters. Nice strawman dude.
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Vaders Jester posted:In a shocking turn of events, feel free to have at it with the SRU, gently caress me they're dumb. Always thought the best way to promote a sport is to restrict access. And they showing any of the Super6 on terrestrial?
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bessantj posted:Always thought the best way to promote a sport is to restrict access. And they showing any of the Super6 on terrestrial? BBC online and the SRU website for Super6 and hopefully the Welsh-Scottish crossborder comp, which is why folk think cutting out Cameron happened. If the SRU have two options, they will always pick the absolute worst.
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Nov 8, 2019 19:21
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Vaders Jester posted:BBC online and the SRU website for Super6 and hopefully the Welsh-Scottish crossborder comp, which is why folk think cutting out Cameron happened. If the SRU have two options, they will always pick the absolute worst. Might try and watch some of it, with a lot of rugby on pay channels I don't get to see most of it. Yeah, the WRU are also great as doing the worst thing.
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News es bueno https://twitter.com/StuartCameronTV/status/1192822318952861697
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Great to see, he does a huge amount for club rugby so glad things have changed.
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Nov 8, 2019 19:50
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Vaders Jester posted:You made up weird hypothetical situations that wouldn't happen to support your bizarre argument about flying through typhoons but carry on. what exactly is hypothetical about having to fly to reach far-away stadiums in Japan? you realise it's a country made up of separate islands right?
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Julio Cruz posted:what exactly is hypothetical about having to fly to reach far-away stadiums in Japan? you realise it's a country made up of separate islands right? You suggested flying through typhoons, then suggested that the SRU would refuse to move venue if given the option. Neither of which make any sense at all.
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