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FoldableHuman posted:Sure, but as a counterpoint to highlight the often futility of doing things I want you to try and imagine a scenario in which any response ever made Sexpig even remotely happy. Try to imagine anything more fragile than a liberal youtuber's ego. Acute Grill fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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Acute Grill posted:Try to imagine anything more fragile than a liberal yoituber's ego. My sanity?
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FoldableHuman posted:Sure, but as a counterpoint to highlight the often futility of doing things I want you to try and imagine a scenario in which any response ever made Sexpig even remotely happy. Ah, taking the Renegade route this playthrough I see
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Acute Grill posted:Try to imagine anything more fragile than a liberal yoituber's ego. This is just Turkeesian's "You're only mad at her because you care too much." hot take but inverted/ Foldy made a strawman argument. Big woop. It's the kind the thing that happens just as much if more from glancing and not caring than ego.
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Rockit posted:This is just Turkeesian's "You're only mad at her because you care too much." hot take but inverted/ ...what?
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Nov 10, 2019 00:12
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Rockit posted:This is just Turkeesian's "You're only mad at her because you care too much." hot take but inverted/ foldy
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Nov 10, 2019 00:18
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Acute Grill posted:...what? Even if the wrong take is an big exaggeration. Sometimes people can just read incorrectly without being upset over it.
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Nov 10, 2019 00:21
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FoldableHuman posted:Sure, but as a counterpoint to highlight the often futility of doing things I want you to try and imagine a scenario in which any response ever made Sexpig even remotely happy. Ohhhh, I get it now! FoldableHuman! Because of how easily you can shove your head up your rear end! Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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Nov 10, 2019 00:22
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sexpig by night posted:foldy I'm a lazy bum who uses nicknames when it's quicker to type. Sue me. You'd prefer if i said Dan or something?
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Nov 10, 2019 00:22
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Rockit posted:Edit: poo poo if i read the above posts all the way i wouldn't have posted this. Hopefully you again, soon.
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Nov 10, 2019 00:23
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Rockit posted:"You only misinterpret them because you take minor things as an major injury to you personally." is a dumb take to apply to anyone who gets someone else's position wrong. ...what?
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Nov 10, 2019 00:26
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Hopefully you again, soon. If criticizing people's hot takes isn't allowed what are we doing?
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Nov 10, 2019 00:30
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Rockit posted:"You only misinterpret them because you take minor things as an major injury to you personally." is a dumb take to apply to anyone who gets someone else's position wrong. I genuinely have no clue what you're trying to say
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Nov 10, 2019 00:30
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Rockit posted:If criticizing people's hot takes isn't allowed what are we doing? Stop throwing down for your intense parasocial connections in this thread you weirdo, they can embarrass themselves just fine without you
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Nov 10, 2019 00:33
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Acute Grill posted:...what? Someone can have a stupid understanding of someone's position without being a "fragile liberal youtuber ego." thing. It's pretty much the same logic as declaring Contra's critics being wrong out of being "Too emotionally invested".
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Nov 10, 2019 00:33
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Rockit posted:Someone can have a stupid understanding of someone's position without being a "fragile liberal youtuber ego." thing. I think the guy who responded to 'I'd like some accountability for platforming and supporting a massive bigot who supports people who are supportive of violence against the community' with 'log off' just doesn't care, my dude.
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Nov 10, 2019 00:38
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Nuns with Guns posted:Stop throwing down for your intense parasocial connections in this thread you weirdo, they can embarrass themselves just fine without you What if i don't particularly are how that fool looks but think others are also acting like fools?
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Nov 10, 2019 00:39
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sexpig by night posted:what the gently caress What? You're a hostile, implacable rear end in a top hat with two pages of probations and bans to show for it. It's not hard to see that literally nothing anyone said about the issue would make you remotely satisfied, because there's always some other angle you can point to as the reason why they're compromised, disingenuous, or self-serving; some quirk of wording or tone or timing you could pull out as evidence that they didn't really mean it, waited too long, weren't harsh enough, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Everything everyone does is either too little or too late.
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Rockit posted:What if i don't particularly are how that fool looks but think others are also acting like fools? ...sorry is this some sphinx riddle? I really can't parse what you're saying at all now FoldableHuman posted:What? You're a hostile, implacable rear end in a top hat with two pages of probations and bans to show for it. The responses have all sucked so there's really no reason to hypothesize about a world where you or your friends have managed to handle this well. And like, up until this last turn I was still mostly positive about Contra but this whole affair was just shameful, so don't pretend that people can't have valid reasons to distrust you or feel hurt after you've created a brand around being a personable public face. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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FoldableHuman posted:What? You're a hostile, implacable rear end in a top hat with two pages of probations and bans to show for it. Hard disagree. Someone's history of trouble doesn't mean they're the kind of trouble that's "100% unreasonable"
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I cannot unravel this argument at loving all
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Rockit posted:Someone can have a stupid understanding of someone's position without being a "fragile liberal youtuber ego." thing. ...what? Also since you and foldable are clearly the same account please start coordinating. Bug Squash posted:This. Yeah, if you think non-binary people's right to exist is worth less than Ollie's desperate Broadway auditions he's the best. Acute Grill fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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FoldableHuman posted:What? You're a hostile, implacable rear end in a top hat with two pages of probations and bans to show for it. gently caress off dude, literally all I wanted was some actual acknowledgement that some people's ~problematic friend~ actively supports people who hurt people like me and has a history of it, and a statement that isn't cushioned by five layers of 'by saying contra did a lovely thing this is gamergate for the left' or 'check out my new video coming up' promo poo poo or whatever, just someone speaking like an actual human being with empathy.
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IronicDongz posted:I cannot unravel this argument at loving all This. I'm not sure it's about Philosophy Tube, but if it is, my view is that I'm pretty content with what Olly has said, and he seems a solid chap.
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Acute Grill posted:...what? LOL what a loving dumbass i would be to take the L on a puppet but still argue my case on a main account. That's a good one my dude.
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Rockit posted:LOL what a loving dumbass i would be to take the L on a puppet but still argue my case on a main account. The comedy here is that you think you aren't the dumb rear end lmfao
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Bug Squash posted:This. *Foldable misunderstands someone* "Jesus Christ how could you do that?" "U mad Lib YouTuber?" I mean Fold's misunderstanding is dumb and it sucks but apparently i can't feel that people are acting silly to it without wanting to be friends with him. Granted that doesn't change the fact that my writing on this is a mess and for that mea cupla.
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watho posted:foldy… The fact i used a short name means i just want to become BFF with him. /s Or it could be that it's poo poo spelling in which case ok i'm a dumbass. OOF (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Acute Grill posted:
And the musical numbers and sax solos are fantastic.
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Rockit posted:The fact i used a short name means i just want to become BFF with him. /s what are you on about? i was expressing my disappointment at dan’s posts i didn’t event read yours
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What's a nice way of asking literally everyone to shut up without delegitimizing peoples complaints about Olly et al? I'm kinda exhausted by this whole thing, on the one hand its hard to cut ties with a friend and colleague especially when it could be seen as siding with a literal twitter mob on the other hand HBomb pretty much just tweeted 'gently caress that guy' 'I support non-binary people' and I don't see him getting a lot of flack? This feels like it could have been handled better. then on the third hand I don't personally believe that youtubers and public figures in general should need loving pr departments can we start taking peoples arguments in good faith rather than assuming they're Non-Binary hating bigots for not instantly coming back with an acceptable apology? It's right that people are mad but it feels like nothing very helpful is happening here. Mr Phillby fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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watho posted:what are you on about? i was expressing my disappointment at dan’s posts i didn’t event read yours Ah, Gothcha. My bad. Posts uptheard gave me poo poo for using that nickname and i got that mixed up with ones accusing me of being parasocial with him. It is a shame i'd grant but it happens.
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Mr Phillby posted:What's a nice way of asking literally everyone to shut up without delegitimizing peoples complaints about Olly et al?  I posted the livestream here because I felt that Olly should have a chance to give his perspective on the situation and that people could use that to inform how they interpret Olly's response to it. Now obliviously that all depends on whether you consider him to be acting in good faith. I personally do but I won't tell people who don't that they are wrong (I thought that people saying that Natalie wasn't acting in good faith before her last video came out were overblowing things and welp). I thought the discussion on it was going pretty well but at this point it's clearly gone off the rails and I regret reopening the can of worms.
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I'd second that delegitimizing the complaints as a hive mind was weird and kind of fragile, even if it's understandable. I do understand the stress, and if Olly's going to say that it was handled less than ideally because he was flustered, then that's fine and human. But there was this assumption everywhere that "the mob" wanted Natalie's friends to self-flagellate on stream, but I'd guess at least 95% just wanted a little acknowledgment. That's what all the replies seemed to say. Especially in Olly's case, where most of the replies were just people dropping "I smell smoke" references. This was Maggie Mae Fish's response, and it was even to one of the rarer legitimate "Your silence is deafening, coward!" people. https://twitter.com/MaggieMaeFish/status/1184899294156902400 For extra clarity on the livestream she added something like, "Natalie's a sweetheart and I really like her, but yeah...it sucks." And, yeah, that seems fine, genuine and about right. It seemed like a fine answer that most people would have been chill with. The angry asker apologized for being rude even. It pretty much matches my feeling from when my own friends have kind of hosed up. It sucks but they're my friend and I want to be charitable, and I don't know what else to say. You saw how people were thrilled when HBomb just posted the flag. Even after he burned some of that goodwill backing the other apologies, he's noticeably absent in the recaps compared to Olly or Lindsay. I really think the mob would have been fine with the simplest empathy. Sure, a few assholes would have still been assholes, but they probably would have found something else to be assholes about. That's just the larger problem of social media. As a separate, very genuine question...since I don't use Twitter much, I'm a little confused on how bad these reply storms are. My only knowledge of Twitter fame comes from Parakeet vs. Phone fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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FoldableHuman posted:What? You're a hostile, implacable rear end in a top hat with two pages of probations and bans to show for it. All anyone embroiled in this mess had to say was "gently caress Buck Angel, he's a terrible person" and "ContraPoints either shouldn't have platformed him at all, or should apologize for doing so" and the only people that wouldn't be happy would be truscum. I guarantee everyone else would have been happy with those two very easy to say, very true statements. Hbomb only did the first one, days after it all went down, and even then everyone was happy with him. gently caress it, I'm a lurker, I don't post, I can't come up with an end for this post, but it's bullshit that you're pushing the line that this, of all audiences, was unpleasable. EDIT: Hell, they wouldn't even have to say it with the severity that I put it. That Maggie Mae Fish response that came up while I was typing? That's good. That's enough, that's all anyone wanted from everyone. Oblivion4568238 fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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Mr Phillby posted:What's a nice way of asking literally everyone to shut up without delegitimizing peoples complaints about Olly et al? There isn't a way, no, and people are going to express their disappointment in a number of ways every time it comes up. There's not a tidy answer to this besides "be affluent enough to afford ways to insulate yourself from the shittiest parts of the internet" or "don't be a public figure on the internet." The unfortunate reality is that the people whose voices need to be added to online discourse are the people most vulnerable when they're exposed to being a public figure on the internet.
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Acute Grill posted:Try to imagine anything more fragile than a liberal youtuber's ego.
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A big flaming stink posted:while the observation "geez it seems like impossible to please every single person on twitter and social media" is valid to a degree, it's pretty goddamn self-serving to follow that up with "and that's why i've decided to do literally nothing" yea if you wanna talk about how there actually is no 'perfect' apology and even removing the bad faith elements people are hurt in different ways and different levels so no apology can please everyone, that's fine and a very valid topic. Using it as a cover for 'so I won't do poo poo' is a bitch move.
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