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I thought a whole load of hype videos of people playing on it were meant to be coming out today?
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hostile apostle posted:Xcloud is 720p on Android phones only, and from most accounts nearly unplayable for many games like FPS due to latency. PSNow has the same latency issues. Sounds more to me more like the biggest problem for Microsoft is that they have to play catch up. Google was ahead of where they are today a year ago with Project Stream. This is the intoxicating magic of the true believer. Real released things held to the standard of a theoretical future thing. And the present tense is used throughout. xCloud is Android-only today. Stadia is Nothing-only today and will be Pixel-only (a subset of Android) at launch. And you’ll need to plug in your controller. Microsoft has managed the voodoo power of having wireless controllers be wireless. Maybe Stadia’s tech will be dramatically better at launch. Maybe they cut all the other promised features and all the basic QoL like having a working storefront to maintain laser focus on top notch streaming. We’ll see. For now, we’re seeing a real (free) public beta against a soon to launch paid beta and the only thing going for the paid beta is our hopes and dreams.
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Nov 18, 2019 12:54
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notaspy posted:I thought a whole load of hype videos of people playing on it were meant to be coming out today? Embargo lifts at noon Eastern, apparently.
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Nov 18, 2019 13:06
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Xcloud isn't a "real released thing", there's a reason no real impression videos exist.
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Nov 18, 2019 13:12
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don't really understand why the Google people keep hand waving away the major problems with broadband infrastructure in the US which is going to make it difficult for them to be able to grow this service. Funny story: I talked to a guy at PAX West about this for work, asked him this exact question, and he proceeded to talk for a solid five minutes straight and not actually answer the question. I think there's some assumption on Google's part that, when it comes to Stadia, wishing will make things happen. Alternatively, the real tech here is that they're going to sell at least one Stadia to every single person in South Korea and that will justify the investment.
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Nov 18, 2019 13:45
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Weren't Google laying out their own full fibre internet cables across America at some point? (In traditional tech world fashion I think they started in like 3 different neighbourhoods of different cities). Maybe Stadia was supposed to be the grand culmination of that network and nobody told the dev team it hadn't happened yet.
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Nov 18, 2019 13:49
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There will be two major tests to see if the physics-defying secret sauce is implemented. 1. Fighting games. It's good that Samurai Shodown has been added as a Pro freebie, will be a good test. 2. kbm in anything. One thing I noticed with Geforce Now is that if I play the same game with a controller vs with kbm changes a lot about how noticeable input lag is. Looking around in an FPS or moving a "mouse cursor" with a controller stick can feel fine, but then I switch to mouse for the same game and there's a noticeable perception of lag. It wouldn't completely surprise me if this is where the input prediction is coming from, like some assumptions might be being made based on how your mouse movement is accelerating that it can suss out the next frame because you can't change your mouse movement that fast. It's also not impossible that part of the Stadia-unique code could be doing things like making a mouse pointer be handled "locally" (e.g. your cursor is rendered on your PC or Chromecast Ultra while everything else is a video stream playing in the background, basically). Looking forward to the hot takes in a little over 4 hours.
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Nov 18, 2019 13:56
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Flayer posted:Weren't Google laying out their own full fibre internet cables across America at some point? (In traditional tech world fashion I think they started in like 3 different neighbourhoods of different cities). They were! It just failed completely in a bunch of cities so who knows how its going to go forward. https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/7/18215743/google-fiber-leaving-louisville-service-ending
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Nov 18, 2019 14:05
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Flayer posted:Weren't Google laying out their own full fibre internet cables across America at some point? (In traditional tech world fashion I think they started in like 3 different neighbourhoods of different cities). They distrupted the "putting cable in the ground" industry by burying their fibre 2 inches deep and when that predictably failed they immediately lost interest and killed the project.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:10
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Wheany posted:They distrupted the "putting cable in the ground" industry by burying their fibre 2 inches deep and when that predictably failed they immediately lost interest and killed the project. Microtrenching wasn't invented by Google and certainly works all around the world.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:14
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Lambert posted:Microtrenching Please don't post my signature sex move.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:16
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Flayer posted:Weren't Google laying out their own full fibre internet cables across America at some point? (In traditional tech world fashion I think they started in like 3 different neighbourhoods of different cities). I’ve been told that none of Google’s experience in trying to be an ISP and running media services means they should have something to say about the operational environment they’re trying to deploy their new product in. It’s not a problem that they hand wave away the infrastructure issues because they can’t be expected to do anything about it, like talk about data center sharing with existing ISPs, negotiate to lift caps, or other investments. 
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Nov 18, 2019 14:28
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Fallom posted:I’ve been told that none of Google’s experience in trying to be an ISP and running media services means they should have something to say about the operational environment they’re trying to deploy their new product in. It’s not a problem that they hand wave away the infrastructure issues because they can’t be expected to do anything about it, like talk about data center sharing with existing ISPs, negotiate to lift caps, or other investments. This, but sarcastically
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Nov 18, 2019 15:51
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if this things succeeds it will literally kill all hope and freedom in the industry
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Nov 18, 2019 16:00
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Endorph posted:if this things succeeds it will literally kill all hope and freedom in the industry everyone who knows about this thing is treating it like a joke with the exception of google cultists so that's encouraging it all comes down to how much google decides to use its infinite wealth to brute-force it into the market
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Nov 18, 2019 16:03
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Endorph posted:if this things succeeds it will literally kill all hope and freedom in the industry There was still hope and freedom in the industry?
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Nov 18, 2019 16:05
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Endorph posted:if this things succeeds it will literally kill all hope and freedom in the industry Seems a bit extreme. Care to expound? If it succeeds it will be because it provides a superior experience. No downloads, no consumer hardware cycles, new cloud enabled game experiences, seamless experience across devices - there are many areas in which cloud gaming will improve how gaming is done today. That doesn't mean it's for EVERYONE in all situations 24/7, and success doesn't mean PC gaming goes away. It doesn't mean consoles go away either. There are 3 consoles and PC gaming already coexisting today. As a platform this is no different to pubs than what Sony or Microsoft offer. If anything it's better for them with direct distribution. What should really kill your hope and freedom in the industry was MS and Sony on their buying spree sucking up all the development studios.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:20
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https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1196447880728453120
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Nov 18, 2019 16:23
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Can we get a master list of which goon pre-ordered / ordered this piece of poo poo? So we can have a definitive catalogue of who here is an actual idiot.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:36
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I feel half of the goons that bought it just wanted a front row ticket to the poo poo show.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:39
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univbee posted:There was still hope and freedom in the industry? Well, no more nude mods in Skyrim, that's for sure. And that's a bridge I'm not willing to cross.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:42
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hostile apostle posted:Seems a bit extreme. Care to expound?
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Nov 18, 2019 16:42
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Glenn Quebec posted:Can we get a master list of which goon pre-ordered / ordered this piece of poo poo? So we can have a definitive catalogue of who here is an actual idiot. BexGu posted:I feel half of the goons that bought it just wanted a front row ticket to the poo poo show. I’m on both of these lists, but I canceled my order last week as the release got closer with ZERO demonstration of a functional product. I’ll just watch the goatfuck from a distance, instead.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:46
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Giant Bomb brought up a good point about platforms: Stadia games won't be cross-platform, at least for now. Can you imagine playing niche games like fighting games online with other Stadia players? I am actually mildly curious about how they implement online FGs just because you're now essentially putting a server between two players, so essentially the person with a lovely latency will suffer from it because the connection between two instances in a data center or two Google data centers should be more reliable than your average connection between two players. Honestly I'm 99% sure there's no special implementation whatsoever. Maybe you see less hitches/rollback artifacts than on average but it'll feel and play like poo poo. And you wouldn't find a single match anyhow. Actually good rollback netcode for FGs would be the most realistic answer to online FG woes and MK11 already does that unlike Samurai Shodown which is delay-based. Mind you I don't actually think FGs are realistic part of the service apart from two low-latency players connecting to the same data center with a fibre connection.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:46
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Flayer posted:Weren't Google laying out their own full fibre internet cables across America at some point? (In traditional tech world fashion I think they started in like 3 different neighbourhoods of different cities).
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Nov 18, 2019 16:48
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Glenn Quebec posted:Can we get a master list of which goon pre-ordered / ordered this piece of poo poo? So we can have a definitive catalogue of who here is an actual idiot. Count me as the idiot who spend $129 on a $70 chromecast ultra and a $70 controller to play RDR2 (which I have not played yet) in actual 4K 60fps and not some upscaled fake 4k on a $350 PS4 Pro which I don't have.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:56
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I am "expecting" this to be delivered tomorrow but haven't received an email or a delivery tracking number or anything. What I find most curious is that they haven't taken payment for it. I have the order email, they put a hold on my bank account but it slipped off a few days later. At this point I am assuming this is the excuse they will use when it doesn't appear, that I haven't paid for it. What is also bullshit is all these delays haven't been communicated at all. Everything I know is from you lot. Not that I am that bothered, if it's as poo poo as seems it will be I'll send it back under at least one EU consumer protection law.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:58
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hostile apostle posted:to play RDR2 in actual 4K 60fps Hey Google, set a reminder for an hour from now to check what compromises Stadia's version of RDR2 implements.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:58
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Looking forward to Giantbombs video on this and hoping it'll be a live stream of them not being able to connect to poo poo. Jeff brought in the controller on last weeks Unprofessional Fridays but refused to say anything about it due to the embargo. It does not look much like a Stradivarius.
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Nov 18, 2019 16:59
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notaspy posted:I am "expecting" this to be delivered tomorrow but haven't received an email or a delivery tracking number or anything. You can see you delivery date on the store orders page. Not everyone is getting theirs day one. I ordered June 30 and mine says "Delivered by Nov 27 – Dec 2" though I am in the US. My experience has been that usually stuff ships out faster than they say when I have ordered phones or other stuff from the Google store. https://store.google.com/orderhistory
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Nov 18, 2019 17:01
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Lodin posted:Looking forward to Giantbombs video on this and hoping it'll be a live stream of them not being able to connect to poo poo. Jeff brought in the controller on last weeks Unprofessional Fridays but refused to say anything about it due to the embargo. It does not look much like a Stradivarius. Would an actual Stradivarius controller even work well? Maining a grappler in a fighting game with a controller made of fine wood that's hundreds of years old sounds like a lot of splinters.
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Nov 18, 2019 17:01
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notaspy posted:What is also bullshit is all these delays haven't been communicated at all. Everything I know is from you lot. quote:Let me add some color, since there are a lot of questions around this one. I know you can't wait. Neither can we! Here's what's gonna happen.
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Nov 18, 2019 17:02
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hostile apostle posted:Count me as the idiot who spend $129 on a $70 chromecast ultra and a $70 controller to play RDR2 (which I have not played yet) in actual 4K 60fps and not some upscaled fake 4k on a $350 PS4 Pro which I don't have. Isn’t the stadia backend hardware demonstrably incapable of playing RDR2 at 4K lol
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Nov 18, 2019 17:03
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AdmiralViscen posted:Isn’t the stadia backend hardware demonstrably incapable of playing RDR2 at 4K lol Unless RDR2 by itself has some unique more powerful server (but if it did I think Google would have said so) then yeah, no. Mine shipped (so yes Glenn, add me to the idiot list like everyone else did like 6 years ago), but I think it's with regular Canada Post so will probably only get it closer to the end of the week. I also took a chance in having it delivered to work and might get yelled at for it (and could get a further delay from that, too, didn't realize the package would actually be received elsewhere for internal sorting) but we'll see.
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Nov 18, 2019 17:07
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Dessel posted:Giant Bomb brought up a good point about platforms: Stadia games won't be cross-platform, at least for now. I'm looking forward to playing Red Dead Online and wandering around a deserted wasteland on my own. Then maybe once every few days seeing a stranger in the distance excitedly waving and being like "why hello fellow Stadian!!"
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Nov 18, 2019 17:07
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AdmiralViscen posted:demonstrably incapable
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Nov 18, 2019 17:08
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lmao https://twitter.com/MrPhilHarrison/status/1196245130488905728
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Nov 18, 2019 17:47
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hostile apostle posted:Count me as the idiot who spend $129 on a $70 chromecast ultra and a $70 controller to play RDR2 (which I have not played yet) in actual 4K 60fps and not some upscaled fake 4k on a $350 PS4 Pro which I don't have. AdmiralViscen posted:Isn’t the stadia backend hardware demonstrably incapable of playing RDR2 at 4K lol jesus christ lol
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Nov 18, 2019 17:48
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hostile apostle posted:Count me as the idiot who spend $129 on a $70 chromecast ultra and a $70 controller to play RDR2 (which I have not played yet) in actual 4K 60fps and not some upscaled fake 4k on a $350 PS4 Pro which I don't have. The 2080Ti struggles to run RDR2 at 4K 60 fps, so I think we can forget about the Vega GPUs in Stadia servers doing that reliably unless they turn down a number of settings.  Chart from the Gamers Nexus RDR2 GPU video.
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At least Football Manager 2020 gives Stadia one game that might be suitable for a streaming platform.
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