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You pick up the gravity gun, use it to pick up a basketball, you shoot it into a hoop. Then the screen fades to black and says "please remove your VR headset" and the rest of the game is just on a monitor.
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Is this the only 15+ foot USB-C 3.0+ cable? It claims "no charging support, data only", not sure if that means literally no charging or if it can still trickle enough that the Quest doesn't drain: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0794MB591/ If anyone wants me to test this one or others, let me know as I need to order more USB-C cables for work anyways.
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Nov 19, 2019 03:57
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Zero VGS posted:Is this the only 15+ foot USB-C 3.0+ cable? It claims "no charging support, data only", not sure if that means literally no charging or if it can still trickle enough that the Quest doesn't drain: It's $60 though, not sure why anyone (other than you for work) would order this over the $80 Link cable that's guaranteed to work. Of course I'm curious if it would work but even if it did I'd wait for the Link cable at that price. e: I also tried searching for other 15' USB3 A-C (but not C-C cables) and didn't really turn up anything when Link was announced. There will probably be a few aftermarket ones fairly soon since Oculus released the specs though.
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Nov 19, 2019 04:02
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If you want to know how OCD they are being about VR interactions for this game, here is a Valve dev talking about spending gobs of time studying how to make a door work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kzu2Y33yKM&t=1630s The whole (abbreviated) talk is great regarding learning about how terrible VR players are, just a bunch of soft-headed babby's learning about reality for the first time all over again, but 27:10-28:35 is particularly on point.
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Nov 19, 2019 04:08
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mashed_penguin posted:Both portal games were excellent though. Portal 2 was the last good game valve made nonono, portal VR games. I know there's 2 portal games that were both excellent. What you missed is that there are 3 portal VR games, entirely separate, and they're each 10 minutes long. They're great but they're 10 minute demos.
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Nov 19, 2019 04:09
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But they aren't Valve games? Portal Stories is not Valve, if you're including the Aperture Hand Labs then that is a tech demo and specifically not a "flagship VR game", and the other one is Robot Repair I guess? Which is also just basically a tech demo in a free package full of tech demos?
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Nov 19, 2019 04:14
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Picked up the PSVR for the first time in a while to play Audica after none of the seven hundred C-C cables in my place worked for Oculus Link. Harmonix, please, Audica on Quest soon.
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Zaphod42 posted:nonono, portal VR games. I know there's 2 portal games that were both excellent. What you missed is that there are 3 portal VR games, entirely separate, and they're each 10 minutes long. I did miss that 
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Chadzok posted:But they aren't Valve games? Portal Stories is not Valve, if you're including the Aperture Hand Labs then that is a tech demo and specifically not a "flagship VR game", and the other one is Robot Repair I guess? Which is also just basically a tech demo in a free package full of tech demos? Calling it flagship is significant, just pointing out that nobody should be expecting Half-life 3 here. Just because this is half-life universe doesn't mean anything, and calling it "Alyx" also seems very significant to show it isn't a mainline game. This definitely, definitely isn't HL3. There are portal games that are short, ergo there could be a half-life VR game that's just a tech demo. Flagship does imply more, but even being a flagship game for VR would still make it very short on content compared to normal videogames.
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Nov 19, 2019 05:02
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jubjub64 posted:I have done all that already but there is nowhere that says "update right the gently caress now dammit" and I'm frustrated. I had to re-enable dev mode, reboot, then it showed up. IDK how dev mode got disabled, But eh.
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Nov 19, 2019 05:06
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Link impressions: noticeably lower resolution Uh Everything else feels like PCVR, the tracking volume is smaller than the S but that's about it. It's beta so there are still some issues especially with things like audio (I'm getting the same issue as Nalin but it let me do the setting to mirror the desktop's audio to the Quest and that seems to work) and there's a hitch that seems to happen every so often, but I think those things will get worked out. It's good. Played a round of Echo Arena and did some messing around in Stormland. Both were great. I put my S back in its box.
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Zaphod42 posted:Calling it flagship is significant, just pointing out that nobody should be expecting Half-life 3 here. Just because this is half-life universe doesn't mean anything, and calling it "Alyx" also seems very significant to show it isn't a mainline game. This definitely, definitely isn't HL3. the portal vr games are not made by valve, unless you mean The Lab I'm excited for Valve's VR game but as a half life fan it's pretty silly they're releasing a new game in that universe when they still have a cliffhanger to resolve. maybe this game will address it somehow.
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Nov 19, 2019 05:30
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Game is going to be a cyberscan of gaben saying gently caress you nerd no half life 3 for you ever over and over until you quit.
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Nov 19, 2019 05:49
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My prediction is that Quest 1.5 (Quest S? Quest R? Quest XP? Quest Pro?) ships with USB4 (40gbps) rather than USB 3.0 (5gbps) and a 5m fiber optic cable, 25% faster SOC chip ahead of black friday 2020 Should also finally push for broad adoption of reasonably priced fiber optic USB/USB4 cables of signficant length. Cheap fiber optic usb cables ought to allow people to snake a single cable from their laptop on the desk/couch to a hub and end the tyranny of dongles once and for all
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Nov 19, 2019 06:06
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Hadlock posted:My prediction is that Quest 1.5 (Quest S? Quest R? Quest XP? Quest Pro?) ships with USB4 (40gbps) rather than USB 3.0 (5gbps) and a 5m fiber optic cable, 25% faster SOC chip ahead of black friday 2020 The problem isn't USB or bandwidth, it's that there's no direct video input support for the Quest and all video has to be decoded. USB3 is more than enough bandwidth. Also USB3.2 supports up to 20Gbps. 3.1 supports 10Gbps and motherboards have supported that for a couple years or more now. Tyranny of dongles... What century are you even in? e: Quest supports 10Gbps USB 3.1
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Nov 19, 2019 06:31
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EbolaIvory posted:IDK how dev mode got disabled, But eh. I know they disabled it automatically when the update rolled out that allowed sideloading without dev mode; I don't know if later episodes disabled it again or not. Hadlock posted:Quest S? I would personally love a cheaper Quest with the ergonomics, design and screen of the Rift S, but I don't know how likely that is so soon.
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Also we don't get 25% year over year CPU/SOC gains and haven't for almost a decade or more, despite what marketing might tell you.
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Nov 19, 2019 06:34
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According to Carmack's talk, better than Rift-S latency is technically achievable on the Quest with some low level software engineering to allow for the output of the video feed per scanline instead of per frame. The main limiter of visual quality is the decoder on the Quest, it's maxed out at 150mbit/s. vv I was mainly responding to hadlock, got a bit lazy with my quoting. SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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SCheeseman posted:According to Carmack's talk, better than Rift-S latency is technically achievable on the Quest with some low level software engineering to allow for the output of the video feed per scanline instead of per frame. If they can get that access from the manufacturer. That still has nothing to do with USB or SOC speeds. e:. Agree with your second paragraph.
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Thank gently caress, Valve might actually release a game. ...oh poo poo I jinxed it sorry guys. The Walrus posted:the portal vr games are not made by valve, unless you mean The Lab I reckon it's seriously big for VR if they do follow through on this however. Could really bring over a bunch of hardcore PC gamers who've so far refused to touch VR (no matter all the (legitimate) bitterness about how poo poo Valve have been for the past ~years, i wouldn't expect that to actually translate into lack of interest in the game, nerds gonna jump on this nerd crack)
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Nov 19, 2019 06:55
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El Grillo posted:Thank gently caress, Valve might actually release a game. You know how the new Corvette is mid-engine now? And how a bunch of boomers are pissed as hell? Literally the same thing happening with this Valve VR Half-Life game right now and its hilarious how mirrored the situations are.
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KakerMix posted:You know how the new Corvette is mid-engine now? And how a bunch of boomers are pissed as hell? Eh, its not like you can't drive the new Corvette if you don't have the right equipment. That's just people being picky and  I can understand being upset there's a new half-life but its VR exclusive, its like if you heard there's a new Halo game but its Switch exclusive and won't be on Xbox. People would feel a bit put-off. That said, its not gonna be half-life 3, so they should just accept that it isn't that anyways.
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Even though I have a ton of USB C cables only 1 was 3.0. That's gonna be a pain for people out there. I had expected quick charge phone cables were 3.0 but I guess not. Unfortunately that 1 valid cable was super short so I tried it through a 3.0 USB extender which got a green check in the Oculus setup but wouldn't output an image (just went black screen after hitting 'enable oculus link' on the quest). Oh well, I'll try it tomorrow with a new cable from Amazon. edit: There's no chance this HL: Alyx is HL 3. They would've given it a more exciting title otherwise. This is going to be a loving around in VR thing. FuzzySlippers fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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Zaphod42 posted:Eh, its not like you can't drive the new Corvette if you don't have the right equipment. That's just people being picky and
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Went back and played a little more Stormland to the point where it starts to open up. Seems like it could be pretty fun if it didn't run terribly under Revive. If you too want to feel pain and play this on a Vive or Index, I compiled the latest and greatest Revive library that fixes a lot of the visual bugs. Place this sketchy dll file I made in Program Files\Revive\Revive\Revive\x64 and overwrite the existing one. Maybe also back the old one up if you run into any issues and don't wanna reinstall Revive. Use at your own risk. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T0CEzBSqfl3fpi8aGusl4LPIN0wymX8R/view?usp=sharing edit: also it should go without saying but yes you need the latest stable version of Revive before copying this file in. Calipark fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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Hadlock posted:My prediction is that Quest 1.5 (Quest S? Quest R? Quest XP? Quest Pro?) ships with USB4 (40gbps) rather than USB 3.0 (5gbps) and a 5m fiber optic cable, 25% faster SOC chip ahead of black friday 2020 Oculus released the specs for the Link cable, it's sporting 5GB/s modules and a USB 3.2 Gen 1 rating. Also you might want to go look up the price on a 40GB optical SFP. The prices aren't exactly consumer-friendly for a USB replacement vs a $10-$20 copper cable.
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Wasn't someone in this thread predicting that Half Life VR would have you play as Alyx since she uses 2 pistols and that's basically the best way to do VR controller gun games? This game is titled Half Life: Alyx
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Relatedly, the Boneworks game will release in December and it's been compared a lot to Half Life 2 (it also uses Source engine): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kWBeyiXaig
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It's Unity, actually.
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RandomBlue posted:Also we don't get 25% year over year CPU/SOC gains and haven't for almost a decade or more, despite what marketing might tell you. The Quest is using a SOC originally designed in ~2014 and first to market in ~2015 IIRC, using a 2019 market chip might not be 25% better but I think Qualcomm has some VR specific stuff available in some of their SOC snapdragons now so my WAG is that 25% isn't exactly reaching for the stars here
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ShadowHawk posted:Wasn't someone in this thread predicting that Half Life VR would have you play as Alyx since she uses 2 pistols and that's basically the best way to do VR controller gun games? This game is titled Half Life: Alyx There's been clues in the game files and stuff, it's exactly what people have been predicting. Will be good to have solid details.
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SCheeseman posted:It's Unity, actually. It's amazing how much a 'look' can define an engine. I can see why someone might assume it was Source going by the art style alone. Even though they are using Unity.
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I do think we're quite likely looking at something HL2-sized with Half-Life: Alyx. Valve have assets for days to build levels out of, and the kinds of basic physics puzzles that worked in Half Life 2 in 2004 work even better in VR without any changes just because of the interaction method.
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it's interesting to think that VR is what finally motivated Valve programmers to stop counting money long enough for some actual work. I imagine everyone at the company just spins around in their office chairs all day, or maybe they swim through a vault filled with gold dubloons.
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Nov 19, 2019 11:07
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Hey, Artifact came out a year ago from next week
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Zero VGS posted:it's interesting to think that VR is what finally motivated Valve programmers to stop counting money long enough for some actual work. I'd be incredibly happy with something episode 1 length, assuming it's up to scratch. KakerMix posted:You know how the new Corvette is mid-engine now? And how a bunch of boomers are pissed as hell? There are like 60 million Steam users who meet the hardware requirements for VR. Which means they've already spent a significant amount on their PC and VR is all of £400 more if you want to get the most recent (decent & reasonably priced) headset. It's still amazing to me that so many nerds are so resistant to the idea of VR. Oculus's fuckups at the beginning did a lot of damage (though that's nowhere near the full story).
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Given Valve's approach to VR so far, I'd guess Alyx isn't going to be normal flatscreen flagship quantity and content (> 15 hours), but something around 6-8 hours similar to the other "full" VR singleplayer games we have now. They've been very persistent with VR, but incremental, using each product launch to identify all the technical and ergonomic issues and slowly address them through SteamVR. We know they have two other VR games in the works, so launching this one is their chance to grow the VR playerbase another fold while fixing all the new issues it will doubtless expose without alienating the entire PC gaming community. You don't do that with your biggest, most ambitious game but with a safer choice with a lot of brand attraction. A 20+ hour HL3:VR launch now would piss off everyone because only ~2% of Steam gamers have VR and most VR equipment is honestly still a generation away from not sucking. If HL3 exists and it were VR, it's the kind of thing you'd launch when a doubt-digit percentage of your market already has VR, so you're only dealing with less than an order of magnitude increase in demand and problems. Also, while I think they have a larger and more ambitious VR game in the works, I doubt it's HL3. But enough speculation -- we're finally getting a Valve VR game and it very likely may not suck. Considering their loving tech demos are still one of the most fun things to show people, that's reason for excitement.
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dogstile posted:Space is genuinely an issue for a ton of people. Also you can't really do marathon sessions of VR games in the same way you can flatscreen ones. People often just want to relax and unwind, not exert themselves even further.
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Hadlock posted:The Quest is using a SOC originally designed in ~2014 and first to market in ~2015 IIRC, using a 2019 market chip might not be 25% better but I think Qualcomm has some VR specific stuff available in some of their SOC snapdragons now so my WAG is that 25% isn't exactly reaching for the stars here GPU Benchmarks have the 855 being 50-90% faster: https://dev1.notebook-check.com/index.php?id=149363 RandomBlue posted:Also we don't get 25% year over year CPU/SOC gains and haven't for almost a decade or more, despite what marketing might tell you.
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