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Can't believe they forgot Rodney Ogg.
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And Rodor
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Nov 15, 2019 00:12
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I thought one of them was Rhododendron?
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Nov 15, 2019 00:21
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Records from the age of legends are spotty and incomplete  but if we're using both names (or three!): Rodney Roddlewood, Roderick Riff Raff, Rodanthe Readingrainbow, Rodeo Riddle, Rodealia Rodney-Ogg, Rodr'od Rho'dodendron, Roddi Rango, Rodwig Rowdy, annnnd Rodenda Rodor Rodriquez
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Nov 15, 2019 00:38
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I have no idea what the lore of the universe actually is on this one, but I always figured the Oath Rod was one of the nine rods and each of them controlled some domain of justice or ethics. I feel like one of the Forsaken commented on the Aes Sedai willingly subjecting themselves to the Oath Rod at some point but I could be totally misremembering.
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Nov 15, 2019 02:46
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Atlas Hugged posted:I have no idea what the lore of the universe actually is on this one, but I always figured the Oath Rod was one of the nine rods and each of them controlled some domain of justice or ethics. The oath rod was a binding rod used on criminals. There were tons of them.
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Nov 15, 2019 02:47
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Basileus777 posted:The oath rod was a binding rod used on criminals. There were tons of them. See: the numerals. The oath rod was 3, but that other one Sammael found was...111? Something like that.
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Nov 15, 2019 02:48
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You actually forgot the best one, Ruby Rhod? UnbelievABLE!
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Nov 15, 2019 04:45
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Ruby Rhod for Amyrlin Seat
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Nov 15, 2019 04:47
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Representing the Super-Green Ajah.
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Nov 15, 2019 04:58
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Mad Hamish posted:You actually forgot the best one, Ruby Rhod? I believe you mean Roddy Roddy Piper. When he shows up at the Hall of Servants they drat well better have some bubble gum. And Rod Serling is in the corner narrating the whole thing.
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Nov 15, 2019 19:26
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No respect, just no respect, for Rodney Da'angrealfield.
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Nov 16, 2019 06:30
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COT really isnt a bad book, it just had the misfortune of being after the biggest event of the series and relatively slow paced. I'm enjoying it this time around, and even the Faile plot isn't really grinding much now I can just blitz it.
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Nov 18, 2019 07:49
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:COT really isnt a bad book, it just had the misfortune of being after the biggest event of the series and relatively slow paced. I'm enjoying it this time around, and even the Faile plot isn't really grinding much now I can just blitz it. It's indefensible.
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Nov 18, 2019 12:54
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:COT really isnt a bad book, it just had the misfortune of being after the biggest event of the series and relatively slow paced. I'm enjoying it this time around, and even the Faile plot isn't really grinding much now I can just blitz it. It's bad, despite having a few decent chapters, and "I can skim it" is definitely not an excuse, especially given audiobooks now...
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Nov 18, 2019 13:02
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silvergoose posted:It's bad, despite having a few decent chapters, and "I can skim it" is definitely not an excuse, especially given audiobooks now... At some point someone will need to go through and make an abridged version of WoT that cuts books 7,8,9, and 10 down to one volume.
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Nov 18, 2019 13:04
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:At some point someone will need to go through and make an abridged version of WoT that cuts books 7,8,9, and 10 down to one volume. That's what this thread is for, right!? (shows getting cancelled after three seasons isn't it  )
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Nov 18, 2019 13:11
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:At some point someone will need to go through and make an abridged version of WoT that cuts books 7,8,9, and 10 down to one volume. As a whole, the series failed. It is bloated and meandering, has too many side characters and side plots, has weird ticks about tugging etc., and spends pages upon pages on boring poo poo no one cares about. But there are some good bits inside. If it was cut to a trilogy it could be good genre literature that would be known for its quality instead of only its length. e: fixed a glaring typo ChubbyChecker fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Nov 18, 2019 13:21
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ChubbyChecker posted:As a whole, the series failed. It is bloated and meandering, has too many side characters and side plots, has weird ticks about tugging etc., and spends pages upon pages on boring poo poo no one cares about. But there are some good bits inside. If it was cut to a trilogy it would be good genre literature that would be known for its quality instead of only its length. To provide a different subjective opinion, no it didn't.
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Nov 18, 2019 13:55
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There's a number of things you can criticise the books for, but they resolve most of the major and minor plot threads through the course of the series. Care to post some examples of things you are referring to? I'm always curious to read other opinions of the books, even if I disagree.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:05
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Honestly I don't get why braid-tugging is considered a writing tic. It's a character trait, it's a habit she's in, it makes a fine amount of sense. "Crossing her arms beneath her breasts" however
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Nov 18, 2019 14:05
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:There's a number of things you can criticise the books for, but they resolve most of the major and minor plot threads through the course of the series. Care to post some examples of things you are referring to? I'm always curious to read other opinions of the books, even if I disagree. I think the one of the most memorable "lol alright then" moments of the series for me was when Sanderson just had Faile knife Masema. And actually now that I think back on that arc, his whole "No! Only the Lord Dragon can use magic, I refuse to use gateways" thing was also incredibly annoying and definitely "meanders", to use Chubby's word. I'm pretty critical of the series but I wouldn't go so far as to say it failed though.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:19
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I don't know what "failed" means in this context Artistically it's a mixed result but a great one, a deeply flawed masterpiece. Commercially and in popular culture though it was a *huge* success. Jordan was the jacket quote that launched Game of Thrones. Estimates are 90 million books sold worldwide. You didnt see many fantasy novels in airport bookshelves in the 1990's.
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Nov 18, 2019 17:52
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Diaphanous. Diaphanous. DIAPHANOUS The smile did. Not. Touch. His eyes. Then his face was carved from stone. Or wood. Carved from wooden stone. If you haven’t read Isam’s summaries somehow, google it. The original forum posts are dead and it’s kind of scattered around now
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Nov 18, 2019 18:20
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Pretty interesting article about an obscure fantasy author who was apparently pretty close with RJ and had some influence on the early books. Might be worth checking out his stuff once it hits print again. https://slate.com/culture/2019/11/john-ford-science-fiction-fantasy-books.html
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Nov 18, 2019 18:32
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:There's a number of things you can criticise the books for, but they resolve most of the major and minor plot threads through the course of the series. Care to post some examples of things you are referring to? I'm always curious to read other opinions of the books, even if I disagree. Sab669 posted:I think the one of the most memorable "lol alright then" moments of the series for me was when Sanderson just had Faile knife Masema. And actually now that I think back on that arc, his whole "No! Only the Lord Dragon can use magic, I refuse to use gateways" thing was also incredibly annoying and definitely "meanders", to use Chubby's word. Faile is a great example of a character whose removal would have improved the series. Hieronymous Alloy posted:I don't know what "failed" means in this context It failed artistically. If we take commercial success as a proper measurement, then Eragon is 10 times better than the Wizard of Earthsea.
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Nov 18, 2019 18:49
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Failed artistically is a phrase that seems very interpretive.
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Nov 18, 2019 18:50
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silvergoose posted:To provide a different subjective opinion, no it didn't. Just gonna narcissistically quote myself here.
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Nov 18, 2019 19:16
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Brolander posted:Diaphanous. Diaphanous. DIAPHANOUS Puckered scar
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Nov 18, 2019 19:18
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ChubbyChecker posted:Faile is a great example of a character whose removal would have improved the series. Faile is cool. Her and Perrin's whole relationship is a summary of the whole series. If the man and the woman just sat and talked honestly for 10 minutes all their issues could have been resolved. Now if we're talking about characters whose deletion could improve the series I nominate Gawain, he fucks up everything he ever does and then dies like an idiot screwing over Egwene in the process.
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Nov 18, 2019 19:28
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Ferrosol posted:Faile is cool. Her and Perrin's whole relationship is a summary of the whole series. If the man and the woman just sat and talked honestly for 10 minutes all their issues could have been resolved. Yeah his first scene or two were fine, but everything after that was p bad. Basically refused to trust anyone ever that they could possibly know better than him about anything.
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Nov 18, 2019 19:31
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Faile and Elayne would have been fine if they didn't get hundreds of pages of PoV in 9/10/11 with little to no development. The difference between faile in WH vs start of KoD is the motivations of those around her. Elayne went from entitled to pregnant entitled. Gawain is bad too so I think Morgase is just a bad mom (or would lini have been charged with Gawain too?)
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Nov 18, 2019 20:06
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Ferrosol posted:Faile is cool. Her and Perrin's whole relationship is a summary of the whole series. If the man and the woman just sat and talked honestly for 10 minutes all their issues could have been resolved. Idk I thought Gawyn was a p good example of why ~~~nobility and chivalry and honour~~~ are dumb things to base your life around Christ, he personally causes the fall of three Amyrlins Comrade Blyatlov fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Nov 18, 2019 21:10
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Unmarked spoilers  As I wrote years ago in the WoT thread, my reaction to Gawyn's death was something along the lines of "good riddance" and "about time!". He was easily in the top 5 worst WoT characters.
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Nov 18, 2019 23:10
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Whoops!
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Nov 18, 2019 23:26
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Doing my umpteenth rereads. Just finished The Shadow Rising. It’s the first time you start to notice pacing issues. All of the plot lines are good with a satisfying conclusion but it takes waaaaay too long to get going. Honestly Elayne didn’t annoy me at all so far but that’s because she’s compared to Nyneave who she views as a Neanderthal.
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Nov 19, 2019 03:40
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ChubbyChecker posted:It failed artistically.
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Nov 19, 2019 03:51
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ChubbyChecker posted:It's indefensible. But I just defended it. NOW WHAT
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Nov 19, 2019 05:01
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ChubbyChecker posted:It failed artistically. If we take commercial success as a proper measurement, then Eragon is 10 times better than the Wizard of Earthsea.
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Faile in the early books is great; she's a real counter-point to the rest of the crew when she first shows up because she's basically an example of one of the two types of "stock fantasy protagonist" that was popular at the time Jordan was writing and he uses her to gently lampoon the genre. "Mandarb is the horse's name" and all that. She's a great way to underline the bigger world Jordan is building; here's this princess with a mysterious secret on a mission for fame and glory who thinks she's the protagonist of her own novel, and instead she's a minor subplot in a thousand year cycle of tragedy and revenge.
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