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Shaocaholica posted:I lost a 2TB MX500 out in the field in an external enclosure with my name and phone number. Let’s see if it turns up. Are you Jenny, 8675309?
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 01:42 |
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 23:21 |
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The samsung 860 2tb sata drive hit 229 today..lowest I've seen it so I pulled the trigger. If it hits for lower on BF/CM I'll rebuy and return I guess Any notable price alert sites I should be using?
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 18:06 |
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zer0spunk posted:The samsung 860 2tb sata drive hit 229 today..lowest I've seen it so I pulled the trigger. If it hits for lower on BF/CM I'll rebuy and return I guess https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#A=1600000000000,2500000000000&t=0&m=32&i=25 Refine filters to whatever you desire and set price alert to whatever makes it worth returning to you.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 18:44 |
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zer0spunk posted:The samsung 860 2tb sata drive hit 229 today..lowest I've seen it so I pulled the trigger. If it hits for lower on BF/CM I'll rebuy and return I guess WD Blue 2TBs have been $200 in the past, so I'd expect they'll be cheaper than that if they show up on black friday deals. But if you're dead set on Samsung that might be the best you see. I have a feeling the 2tb drives won't be huge black friday discounts, IIRC they weren't last year. There's a premium charge on high capacity drives, 4TB drives are still over $500. However, Adata Su800 2tb is $185 on newegg today which is a drat good price.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 20:44 |
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I'm retiring a 2012 256 830 drive that's been my boot drive for 7.5+ years to external drive duty. I figured I'd stick with samsung barring any crazy issues with the 860s, but everything I've seen on them seems solid. That 256 was 350 when I bought it in 2012, 4tb drives being in that same price range is a nice tangible sign of progress.
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# ? Nov 19, 2019 09:59 |
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zer0spunk posted:I'm retiring a 2012 256 830 drive that's been my boot drive for 7.5+ years to external drive duty. I figured I'd stick with samsung barring any crazy issues with the 860s, but everything I've seen on them seems solid. The 830 is, in my opinion, one of the all time great SSDs. It was a breath of fresh air over the small, slow and unreliable ssds that were common prior to it. I'll be keeping mine running for some time to come.
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# ? Nov 19, 2019 10:53 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:NVMe excels at processing large files, like massive video files and database stuff. The first-gen NVMe drives oft times performed worse than their SATA counterparts at processing small files (such as the kind used in general computing tasks/a lot of games). Intel's Optane and Samsung's Z-NAND bridge the gap, but neither company seems in a hurry to make the technologies financially viable for consumer/enthusiast use. Wat. Nothing you said about small-file performance makes any sense, NVMe is inherently better at that. Also database performance is not like video file performance, databases are typically very small accesses in random order. NVME doesn't require new memory technology like Optane or Z-NAND to achieve good small file performance, either. One of the most important design objectives for NVMe was to dramatically reduce the CPU and PCIe overhead per I/O compared to SATA. It wasn't hard for the standards body to do this since SATA is a terrible protocol which suffers greatly from literal 1980s baggage, but they put in the extra effort and designed NVMe to have probably close to the minimum theoretical overhead per I/O. If all else is as equal as possible (flash memory type & quantity, whether the drives have DRAM, implementation quality, etc), NVMe kills SATA on small file performance. quote:The newer ones have parity with/slightly exceed the performance of SATA 3 drives, How on earth did you get this idea? NVMe drives have been blowing away SATA3 drives for a long time. The only case I'm aware of where there's parity or possibly even role reversal is when you compare a QLC NVMe like the Intel 660p to a good MLC or TLC SATA -- but such results aren't a problem with NVMe's performance, they're because QLC flash is really slow. BobHoward fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Nov 19, 2019 |
# ? Nov 19, 2019 12:07 |
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Yeah all that guy said was completely wrong. LOL? Jesus..
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# ? Nov 19, 2019 16:24 |
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redeyes posted:Yeah all that guy said was completely wrong. LOL? Jesus.. Other than that Optane is still stupid expensive, anyhow. But, yeah, in case anyone was confused: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-sm951-nvme-versus-ahci-sata,4137-7.html The 850 Pro is a SATA-based SSD, the SM951 is a AHCI-based M.2 SSD, and the SM951-NVMe is obviously a NVMe-based M.2 SSD. The NVMe drive is the clear winner at random 4k reads (and also everything else).
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# ? Nov 19, 2019 16:42 |
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DrDork posted:Other than that Optane is still stupid expensive, anyhow. And the minimal loading benefit in games part. Just all the details and reasons were wrong. zer0spunk posted:I'm retiring a 2012 256 830 drive that's been my boot drive for 7.5+ years to external drive duty. I figured I'd stick with samsung barring any crazy issues with the 860s, but everything I've seen on them seems solid. Nah samsung is solid and the 860 is great. You're just paying extra for brand loyalty, when stuff like the WD Blue is just as solid.
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# ? Nov 19, 2019 16:45 |
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DrDork posted:Other than that Optane is still stupid expensive, anyhow. They don't really pull apart until you get to higher queue depths, which you aren't likely to run into in consumer workloads. You're not going to see a huge improvement in a home system.
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# ? Nov 19, 2019 17:08 |
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ItBreathes posted:They don't really pull apart until you get to higher queue depths, which you aren't likely to run into in consumer workloads. You're not going to see a huge improvement in a home system. Yeah, if you're >32 queue depth as a normal consumer I have some questions for you. But the point is that NVMe certainly isn't slower than SATA: it's faster in literally every use case there is, even if it's sometimes not by a meaningful amount because utilization rates are too low to actually stress any portion of the storage subsystem.
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# ? Nov 19, 2019 17:55 |
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DrDork posted:Yeah, if you're >32 queue depth as a normal consumer I have some questions for you. But the point is that NVMe certainly isn't slower than SATA: it's faster in literally every use case there is, even if it's sometimes not by a meaningful amount because utilization rates are too low to actually stress any portion of the storage subsystem. For sure, though re-reading BIG HEADLINE'S post he was talking about early NVMe drives specifically (which I don't know anything about) and does state that NVMe is ahead of SATA now.
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# ? Nov 19, 2019 17:59 |
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I built a PC in 2013 that's been so reliable that I haven't upgraded a single thing in it, or paid any attention to incremental hardware advances over the intervening years. It's running Windows 7 on a plain ol' hard drive. So, hopefully quick question: can I just connect a SATAIII cable to this thing, install Windows 10, and just start rockin' or is there going to be something obvious (hardware-wise) that will bite me in the rear end? This is the motherboard (ASRock B85M): https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B85M%20Pro4/index.us.asp?cat=Download&os=Win764 Also, is this the kinda thread where I can just pick something in the OP or should I watch the going conversation for a while? I was looking at this post on RPS and gat dang are SSDs cheap now. 1 TB should do fine for me. doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Nov 20, 2019 |
# ? Nov 20, 2019 01:01 |
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Yeah, you can pretty much just slap the new drive in, load up Win10, and away you go. You're probably gonna want to look at the WD Blue and Samsung 860 EVO, since both offer SATA3 versions, which is what you're gonna need. Sadly no new fancy NVMe drives for you, but that's ok--even a SATA3 hard drive will be an amazing upgrade from a 2013 spinning disk.
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# ? Nov 20, 2019 01:24 |
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^^ Thanks. Yeah, I figure anything I get is going to blaze; I can constrain my jealousy of new-new tech.
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# ? Nov 20, 2019 01:57 |
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doctorfrog posted:So, hopefully quick question: can I just connect a SATAIII cable to this thing, install Windows 10, and just start rockin' or is there going to be something obvious (hardware-wise) that will bite me in the rear end? The one general piece of advice is to disconnect old hard drive(s) before installing windows, if you aren't sure about the boot order. This prevents a situation where win10 installs itself to the SSD like you asked but puts the boot partition on a different HD. doctorfrog posted:Also, is this the kinda thread where I can just pick something in the OP or should I watch the going conversation for a while? I was looking at this post on RPS and gat dang are SSDs cheap now. 1 TB should do fine for me. The OP has the very safest choices in terms of reputation & prior quality. A WD Blue drive is a great choice, as is the Crucial MX500. If you are waiting for black friday to save some bucks, the Adata SU800 is probably worth putting on your radar. That's the favorite discount drive for the thread, with performance on par with the 860/Blue/MX500 class.
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# ? Nov 20, 2019 02:34 |
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Klyith posted:The one general piece of advice is to disconnect old hard drive(s) before installing windows, if you aren't sure about the boot order. This prevents a situation where win10 installs itself to the SSD like you asked but puts the boot partition on a different HD. Looking at the current money situation, I may have to wait until after Black Friday (other peoples' gifts take priority), but I get the sense that prices are going to continue to be reasonable looking forward, especially given the age of my system. If anything, it's the grand death of Windows 7 support lighting a fire under my behind: if I'm going to go through the pain of de-fanging and de-loving a new Microsoft system, I may as well do so on very fast, new storage. doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Nov 20, 2019 |
# ? Nov 20, 2019 04:59 |
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Also, when installing fresh, disable CSM/Legacy BIOS emulation in your BIOS. That way, Windows will install in UEFI mode (faster boot times). This will also prevent the bootloader from ending up on the wrong drive.
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# ? Nov 20, 2019 11:44 |
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Has their been a good BF deal yet? I saw the 1TB Intel 660p at Newegg for $87 I think.
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# ? Nov 20, 2019 15:15 |
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Lambert posted:Also, when installing fresh, disable CSM/Legacy BIOS emulation in your BIOS. That way, Windows will install in UEFI mode (faster boot times). This will also prevent the bootloader from ending up on the wrong drive. When I disable CSM (go full UEFI) on my motherboard, it will not turn on the monitors (they say no signal) until I boot into an OS. No idea what's the deal here, maybe old video card (970GTX), maybe it has trouble with 2 DisplayPort connected monitors, or maybe the MB firmware itself is lovely. My MB is MSI x299 raider.
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# ? Nov 20, 2019 15:35 |
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Volguus posted:When I disable CSM (go full UEFI) on my motherboard, it will not turn on the monitors (they say no signal) until I boot into an OS. No idea what's the deal here, maybe old video card (970GTX), maybe it has trouble with 2 DisplayPort connected monitors, or maybe the MB firmware itself is lovely. My MB is MSI x299 raider. Pretty weird, probably down to the motherboard. Maybe look for an option to manually select a video output for boot, maybe it's forced to the motherboard's video output for some reason? The GTX 970 should have no issue with UEFI boot, at least the GTX 980 Ti I used to have worked just fine. I had the same configuration, with two DisplayPort monitors connected.
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# ? Nov 21, 2019 15:28 |
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So my chinisium tablet/laptop has been acting a bit wonky recently, taking a long time to wake from sleep or login or launch apps. For a bit I dismissed it as it could've been low on RAM or installing updates or something, but it got reeeally bad to the point that it now won't actually boot in reasonable time at all. I got it started with a live linux usb without issues though, and the SSD is still there has all my crap. It does seem to be very slow to open anything however. I'll try to copy anything important of course. So far I tried some smartctl tests which I don't really understand (except Hardware_ECC_Recovered seems bad, maybe? I don't know if that's a high number), anything else I could check? code:
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 12:14 |
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KingKapalone posted:Has their been a good BF deal yet? I saw the 1TB Intel 660p at Newegg for $87 I think. I haven't seen much. For whatever reason, perhaps that major power outage that killed some fabs in early summer, prices ticked up a bit for the last few months. I've noticed the deals returning to roughly the prices from May and June. Ex. Inland Premium 1TB NVMe for $105, etc. I suspect we'll see some better deals next week and in December, but probably not much that wildly beats the previous lows from well known drives.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 16:21 |
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/25/hpe_ssd_32768/ https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-a00092491en_us quote:
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 16:12 |
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jesus..
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 16:18 |
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God drat it, guys, why are you using 16b variables for that sort of thing?
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 16:26 |
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16 bit signed at that, just in case they needed to store negative hours operated
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 16:29 |
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Well that was just stupid Edit: oh, and thanks for the heads-up HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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repiv posted:16 bit signed at that, just in case they needed to store negative hours operated Well, the common wisdom is that one should prefer to use signed integers if there are any operations made on them (such as incrementing). Of course, one should also use the appropriate size signed integer. Unsigned types are cool and fine on masks or in file formats that store the size of the file in the header or some other constants. Being signed was not the problem here (would have bought another 3 years). 16 bit is the problem.
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 19:27 |
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Volguus posted:Being signed was not the problem here (would have bought another 3 years). 16 bit is the problem. Power on Hours being load bearing seems like more of a problem. I have a hard drive that actually rolled over its power on hours counter and just keeps on trucking (with only data I'm fine with losing at any time). I know it's not a fair comparison for an SSD that likely needs to use power on hours for scheduling internal maintenance jobs or something, but for it to completely and totally gently caress up an SSD if some weird data happens?
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 19:41 |
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Volguus posted:Being signed was not the problem here (would have bought another 3 years). 16 bit is the problem. I would actually bet that it's both that are the problem: 16 bit obviously made it far too small to begin with and the #1 thing that should have never happened, but then presumably when it rolls over the boundary it wraps back to a negative number of hours (at least in some languages), and that negative fucks the hell out of some other bits of the firmware and panicks it. If they'd used unsigned it'd reset to 0 and possibly keep on trucking.
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 20:11 |
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DrDork posted:If they'd used unsigned it'd reset to 0 and possibly keep on trucking. Possibly being the key word here. There's always a chance for code like this to exist: code:
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 20:17 |
Well maybe if you just leave it plugged in for another 3 years, 270 days, and 8 hours, it will resume operation?
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 20:31 |
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It can't be straight forward logic that makes it stop working. There has to be some sort of unhandled exception. But still, JFC
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 20:54 |
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Volguus posted:Possibly being the key word here. Indeed, it's very much language dependant. If it's coded in C/C++, overflowing a signed int gets you straight into undefined behavior, which is...not great for firmware. Which makes me wonder what the language of choice for firmware even is these days.
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# ? Nov 26, 2019 21:20 |
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Schadenboner posted:Yeah, I only picked one up because the 512 was cheap and I thought my burner laptop could do NVMe (it only does SATA ) so I have an extra one sitting around. Maybe I'll use it eventually?
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# ? Nov 27, 2019 23:08 |
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Seems one reason Seagate waited so long to overcharge for an E12 drive is they were too busy "making it theirs": https://www.techpowerup.com/review/seagate-firecuda-510-1-tb-ssd/ Wouldn't advise using an ECFM firmware on one of these.
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# ? Nov 28, 2019 02:15 |
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Current Phison E12 drives are shipping with ECFM 22.4, a jump from 12.3. Phison seems to be playing their cards close to their chest because literally no updaters for generic 22.x drives seem to be out in the wild, unlike with 12.x.
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# ? Nov 28, 2019 17:51 |
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Someone posited that the reason there might not be any 22.x updaters out in the wild is that there might be a slight hardware change on the E12 reference drives and attempting to update a 12.x to 22.x might brick them. But Phison's not saying any which way, so .
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# ? Nov 28, 2019 18:11 |