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they clearly wanted Poe to be the new Han Solo but somehow between the first and second movie they forgot what to do with him.
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mandatory lesbian posted:I loving love Akira, it's def a top 5 movie for me. The animation is stunning. I do feel the story is good but a little rough, especially the ending which I always feel a bit rushed by. Not a big problem, a lot of anime feels that way. Serial experiments lain is my fav and it's entire plot basically happens in like, the final 4 episodes of 13 If you want the really long version the manga is insanely beautiful too and instead of ending there it goes on for 300% more time and then ends in an entirely different more nationalist way
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Freaking Crumbum posted:which one of them wanted leia to magic herself back into her space ship because, out of all the missteps, that's the one that's always stuck in my head. even as someone that has memorized an embarrassing amount of star wars trivia and is willing to suspend a lot of disbelief in service of enjoying the movie, that whole sequence was a solid "what the gently caress " moment for me the leia seen was all disney. rion johnson wanted to kill leia off as part of his larger attempt to move the material forward away from a slavish devotion to the past. they even had a chance to keep his original cut where she died after fisher's death and chose not to!
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Having the Hillary stand-in die would NOT be good optics
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:yeah but that trans aspect was something that literally nobody picked up on because we didnt have either the cultural context of what being trans is or the specific personal context of both of the wachowskis coming out and i think you have to remember that when looking at that movie and how people talked about it until the last few years when people reevaluated it and realized oh yeah no this movie is wildly gay and trans, everyone's wearing fetish gear and you murder the system for deadnaming you i suppose calling for the guillotine for the studio execs who meddled would be pretty redundant anyhow since anyone who is a studio exec had probably spent their entire life viciously fighting to be first in line for that and we're getting a fourth movie. i actually liked 2 and 3. i was a huge jrpg fan at that age and there's really nothing about them that someone who enjoyed xenogears isn't going to forgive Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 19:13 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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what kind os sentiment would that embolden in the chuds
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:they clearly wanted Poe to be the new Han Solo but somehow between the first and second movie they forgot what to do with him. I mean I think they were trying to do something with him making all of the standard "heroic" loose cannon decisions that would normally save the day, but end up making everything worse. They just didn't go anywhere with it.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I mean I think they were trying to do something with him making all of the standard "heroic" loose cannon decisions that would normally save the day, but end up making everything worse. They just didn't go anywhere with it. This was resolved when he was saved by the woman he wasn't listening too
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look i get it, oscar isaac is handsome and charming, and you want him in your movie but at least give him something to do
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I mean I think they were trying to do something with him making all of the standard "heroic" loose cannon decisions that would normally save the day, but end up making everything worse. They just didn't go anywhere with it. "you're a colossal gently caress-up on a scale of magnitude that is difficult to over-exaggerate and your reckless actions are both wildly illegal AND have placed hundreds of innocent lives in danger. despite all that, a woman is still going to end up wiping your butt and fixing all of the problems you've caused, and we'll all like that somehow absolves your astounding incompetence." there's nothing redeeming about his character at all and i serious do not understand why anybody would want him to continue to exist in the plot. he has no connection to rey turning into kreia from kotor2 and he's been usurped from his role participating with Finn implementing luxury gay space communism by rose
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Freaking Crumbum posted:"you're a colossal gently caress-up on a scale of magnitude that is difficult to over-exaggerate and your reckless actions are both wildly illegal AND have placed hundreds of innocent lives in danger. despite all that, a woman is still going to end up wiping your butt and fixing all of the problems you've caused, and we'll all like that somehow absolves your astounding incompetence." OWNED men
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Freaking Crumbum posted:"you're a colossal gently caress-up on a scale of magnitude that is difficult to over-exaggerate and your reckless actions are both wildly illegal AND have placed hundreds of innocent lives in danger. despite all that, a woman is still going to end up wiping your butt and fixing all of the problems you've caused, and we'll all like that somehow absolves your astounding incompetence." also the whole issue where while that's what the movie tells you, what the movie actually shows is that Poe's ostensible fuckup didn't actually hurt the rebel cause at all and may in fact have been the correct decision, and the women who ostensibly needed to fix his mistakes (inc Leia) are actually tremendously incompetent its almost like TLJ is an incredibly poorly conceived movie, executed badly
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LGD posted:its almost like TLJ is an incredibly poorly conceived movie, executed badly What was the story of the start of filiming? Something like the director expected to have a script ready for him and Kathleen Kennedy gives him a couple pages of plot notes and says "We start filming in two weeks."
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Serf posted:the leia seen was all disney. rion johnson wanted to kill leia off as part of his larger attempt to move the material forward away from a slavish devotion to the past. they even had a chance to keep his original cut where she died after fisher's death and chose not to! remembering how years back Michael Eisner wanted to recast Jason Ritter for 8 Simples Rules for Dating My Daughter after he died and rightfully got poo poo for such a callous solution for an utimately forgettable sitcom, now gently caress it, Disney can make draconian decisions like that in franchises with way more cultural pull like nothing but wokely.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:What was the story of the start of filiming? Something like the director expected to have a script ready for him and Kathleen Kennedy gives him a couple pages of plot notes and says "We start filming in two weeks." I only have limited recollection/interest, but my impression was that Abrams had essentially sketched out the arc of the three movies broadly but they gave the director creative control and Johnson basically went "lol no" and decided to take a nice long, indulgent squat over the punch bowl given her respective successes/failures my impression is that Kathleen Kennedy does an excellent job supporting strong directors in achieving their vision, which yields good results when she's paired with someone like Spielberg, but probably isn't an ideal fit for running a franchise like Star Wars
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LGD posted:I only have limited recollection/interest, but my impression was that Abrams had essentially sketched out the arc of the three movies broadly but they gave the director creative control and Johnson basically went "lol no" and decided to take a nice long, indulgent squat over the punch bowl this is definitely the best thing that ever happened to star wars
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Mercrom posted:this is definitely the best thing that ever happened to star wars nah, that only works from the standpoint of "gently caress star wars" the problem with TLJ isn't that it tears down Abrams hackish work and the edifice of Star Wars generally, it's that it does so while not replacing it with anything or demonstrating Johnson to be anything but a hack/incredibly poor filmmaker himself the film itself is parasitic/derivative in the extreme and doesn't work (to the limited extent it can be said to) without the broader context of Star Wars, and is entirely reliant on the goodwill established towards characters by previous film(s) to get anyone to give the slightest gently caress re: what is happening onscreen (which is generally quite bad, even by the degenerate standards of the Star Wars franchise) LGD has issued a correction as of 20:16 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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i didnt watch the entirety of man in the high castle bc its boring and it bores me, but from the moments i saw while my wife was watching it, season 4 moves in a good direction insofar that theres a black communist revolution, but it's also erratic in various other ways making me believe there were issues behind the scenes. e.g. the japanese trade minister is assassinated at the beginning and you only see his bloodied glasses. the real reason he was killed was probably bc they couldnt get the actor for this season and then they had to write in a bunch of crap to fill the scenes he was supposed to bumble through.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:which one of them wanted leia to magic herself back into her space ship because, out of all the missteps, that's the one that's always stuck in my head. even as someone that has memorized an embarrassing amount of star wars trivia and is willing to suspend a lot of disbelief in service of enjoying the movie, that whole sequence was a solid "what the gently caress " moment for me Are you calling a Guatemalan dude white? Freaking Crumbum posted:"you're a colossal gently caress-up on a scale of magnitude that is difficult to over-exaggerate and your reckless actions are both wildly illegal AND have placed hundreds of innocent lives in danger. despite all that, a woman is still going to at all and i serious do not understand why anybody would want him to continue to exist in the plot. he has no connection to rey turning into kreia from kotor2 and he's been usurped from his role participating with Finn implementing luxury gay space communism by rose He's just going to be Rey's love interest in next movie.
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Forceholy posted:Are you calling a Guatemalan dude white? Poe Mengele-Eichmann
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LGD posted:nah, that only works from the standpoint of "gently caress star wars" yes. its good
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Forceholy posted:Are you calling a Guatemalan dude white? lol
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Can Star Wars have its own containment thread? lol One thing I occasionally think about is how Roger Ebert was one of my big "smart guy with opinions" heroes back in the day but I've accepted the fact that had he lived into the Trump presidency, he would've become the exact kind of liberal that I loathe now. I think it would have been easy for him to transition from being a gamer heel to a Berniebro heel, and stubbornly stick to the white Berniebro narrative because of his extremely online-ness. He was a pretty big admirer of Obama and seemed indifferent at best towards Rahm Emanuel's mayorship of Chicago. Granted, the problems with his health maybe could have pushed him towards MFA. But I wouldn't bet on it. Unsure what Ebert's essays in response to the Me Too era would have been like. Ebert was probably one of the more compartmentalized film critics when it comes to issues like "the art vs. the artist" debate. When it comes to dealing with Trump himself, I imagine Ebert retweeting McResistance memes mostly. Granted, none of this can be tested and this is all speculation so I'm not going to hold the hypothetical against him. Echo Chamber has issued a correction as of 21:01 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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Echo Chamber posted:Can Star Wars have it's own containment thread? lol sure, and lots of historically admirable people would come across as weird or reactionary if they were transported to the modern day, especially when you're assuming a decent level of diminished capacity and inclination towards being hidebound Ebert is obviously more recent (and you're probably right about his trajectory), but tbh I wouldn't feel compelled to spend much time speculating on his hypothetical terrible twitter takes as a current media personality, rather than his actual contributions to film criticism LGD has issued a correction as of 20:57 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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Forceholy posted:Are you calling a Guatemalan dude white? i'm not trying to definitively assign a race to anyone, i'm saying the character feels pretty obviously like he exists only to pre-empt a bunch of white nerds from pooping their pampers because the main characters could easily have just been rey / finn / kilo unless you were talking about my comments about kilo, which again, i'm not saying the actor who is playing him is white (or not, or whatever) i'm saying he can fill the brooding-troubled-anti-hero-failson trope (that is apparently required by white nerds) to be in the movie
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Serf posted:look i get it, oscar isaac is handsome and charming, and you want him in your movie but at least give him something to do Oscar Isaacs as Duke Leto Atreides 
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etalian posted:Oscar Isaacs as Duke Leto Atreides all the casting for that movie is spot on too bad it comes out a month after trump shellacks biden/warren/buttigieg and i won't be in the mood for movies or anything else
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I finally got around to watching Solo yesterday and it sure wasn't great but I actually liked it. It actually felt like a genuine Star Wars adventure, and the only real problems it has are the pacing and the insufferable fan service. Like yeah, I get it, that's Han's blaster from the Star Wars movies. Ok I get that's the Millenium Falcon. We all get it. "Where getting rid of the EU. It's pointless garbage and we can come up with a much better meta." *three years later* "We're out of ideas! If only we had some books or comics we could adapt into some movies!"
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Jettisoning the EU was the correct move tho Most of it was dogshit and you'd end up only appealing to the psychos who get mad when you change something And there were like, degrees of things being Canon or not and it was all just a big lovely mess that the best solution to was starting over from scratch and operating on comic rules
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the problem with kennedy is that she's a businesswoman, and the key to success as the business end of pop culture is being able to form and maintain a good relationship with the creative end of the equation, which i gather she is also even very good at. but once you expect the business end to be the driving force behind the creativity you've put the whole project in an impossible, doomed situation unless you have enough copyrighted material to just throw a huge budget behind a perpetual assembly line of mediocre crap
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Echo Chamber posted:Granted, the problems with his health maybe could have pushed him towards MFA. But I wouldn't bet on it. today has taught me that not even dying of loving ALS can overcome liberal brainworms
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Jettisoning the EU was the correct move tho Sure but also just because you've made the EU non-canon doesn't mean you can't mine it for content.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:It was 1999 and we as a society had not internalized the existence of trans people enough not to lose a shitload of people when Switch plugged in, very little ended up being lost and the movie still whips If South Park's latest episode and the fact it still has a fanbase is any indication, we got a long way to go before we got full rights and acceptance.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:he literally wasnt supposed to make it out of his one scene in tfa iirc, he was supposed to die but they liked oscar isaac so much that they rewrote him they should have made Poe a series of clones When Finn runs to greet Oscar Isaac at the resistance, just have Isaac's be really confused about why this guy is so happy to see him thematically, i have no idea what this would do to the film, but i'm still for it
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