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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Star Wars is best when it mixes familiar story beats with bizarre and even unsettling settings and characters

Keep Star Wars Weird

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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
gently caress Star Wars, my loving space-waifu Avasarala is coming back to the spotlight in less than a couple weeks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3KTel_MTdU

"I'm a smug old bitch who enjoys playing with life and death on her big chessboard"

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

LGD posted:

Ebert is obviously more recent (and you're probably right about his trajectory), but tbh I wouldn't feel compelled to spend much time speculating on his hypothetical terrible twitter takes as a current media personality, rather than his actual contributions to film criticism

eberts main contribution to film criticism was to invent the whole lets pretend like i dont actually have an opinion style of reviewing which was novel back when he started and provided a useful counterpoint to the esoteric styles that were more well known at the time but now literally everyone writes in the ebert style leading to the extremely surreal modern situation where basically all film critics agree that star wars and marvel movies are good but almost none of them can actually explain why

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Atrocious Joe posted:

they should have made Poe a series of clones

When Finn runs to greet Oscar Isaac at the resistance, just have Isaac's be really confused about why this guy is so happy to see him

thematically, i have no idea what this would do to the film, but i'm still for it

Duncan Idapoe

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

KiteAuraan posted:

If South Park's latest episode and the fact it still has a fanbase is any indication, we got a long way to go before we got full rights and acceptance.

I'm not even talking about that I'm talking about knowing trans people exist

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Sure but also just because you've made the EU non-canon doesn't mean you can't mine it for content.

They already do.

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

tghey should make all the star wars writers read all the tie in books but only so they feel embarrassed when they try to pull the same contrived poo poo

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Farm Frenzy posted:

tghey should make all the star wars writers read all the tie in books but only so they feel embarrassed when they try to pull the same contrived poo poo

I'm p sure that's cruel and unusual punishment

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'm p sure that's cruel and unusual punishment

yah, it's a myth, imo, that good art comes exclusively from intense suffering

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

disney needs to break their highly paid screenwriters and show them that theyre just ripping off awful hack scifi hired guns from 30 years ago

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

you mean the script doctors right the screenwriters turn in unreadable trash

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Somehow the end result of all this comes off as something thrown together at the last minute

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


BENGHAZI 2 posted:

I'm not even talking about that I'm talking about knowing trans people exist

True.

gently caress that episode pissed me off. Dolphin episode levels of poo poo.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
Pretty much every post-TFA movie feels like two movies kind of stitched together to varying degrees- i get the sense that disney hires these directors and writers with some vision, then brings in a script doctor to re-shoot the movies really late in production to be more 'star wars'

None of them are particularly horrible, though the glimpses of more imaginative movies hurts all of them at least a little.

I'm not really convinced Rian Johnson's "gently caress star wars" version of TLJ was actually that good a movie, either, but then I also don't think KOTOR2 is very good because "what if star wars was illogical and dumb" is not a question i need a big plot line to explore.

Mercrom
Jul 17, 2009
that people actually liked the force awakens and that jj abrams star trek movie makes me think you dont really need screen writers to make successful movies. that gpt-2 bot could do it

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Star Trek: Beyond loving rules

Mercrom
Jul 17, 2009
it didnt but like into darkness it felt like it was written by a human being that at least tried to say something and not a bot connecting random events and fan service

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

what deep message was into darkness trying to impart to us i must have missed it in between all the gratutious klingons white khan moments and that time they tested magic antiradiation blood on tribbles

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

Some Guy TT posted:

what deep message was into darkness trying to impart to us i must have missed it in between all the gratutious klingons white khan moments and that time they tested magic antiradiation blood on tribbles

military industrial complex bad

Mercrom
Jul 17, 2009
you have to compare it to the first one. the message of that one is that you shouldnt try to save civilizations because they might travel with you back in time to destroy your home world and force you to realize that its ok to have emotions even though you are a half robot

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Some Guy TT posted:

what deep message was into darkness trying to impart to us i must have missed it in between all the gratutious klingons white khan moments and that time they tested magic antiradiation blood on tribbles

CIA bad

E: this was also the message of the second season of Star Trek Discovery

gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 13:46 on Nov 21, 2019

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Panzeh posted:

Pretty much every post-TFA movie feels like two movies kind of stitched together to varying degrees- i get the sense that disney hires these directors and writers with some vision, then brings in a script doctor to re-shoot the movies really late in production to be more 'star wars'

None of them are particularly horrible, though the glimpses of more imaginative movies hurts all of them at least a little.

I'm not really convinced Rian Johnson's "gently caress star wars" version of TLJ was actually that good a movie, either, but then I also don't think KOTOR2 is very good because "what if star wars was illogical and dumb" is not a question i need a big plot line to explore.

The point is having an idea and sticking with it is better than trying to make Corporate Product For Mass Consumption (C)

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Panzeh posted:

Pretty much every post-TFA movie feels like two movies kind of stitched together to varying degrees- i get the sense that disney hires these directors and writers with some vision, then brings in a script doctor to re-shoot the movies really late in production to be more 'star wars'

That's what happen to all the Disney movies. They hire a credible director but the only thing that director gets to decide is the non-cgi parts. Like Guy Ritchie might be hit and miss but he has a distinct style and the parts I've seen could've been directed by anyone. Favreau is the perfect Disney director because all his movies are bland as hell because all he seems to care about is that the cgi-animals looks good.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

gradenko_2000 posted:

One early episode of Jack Ryan begins with a Syrian father out in the boonies teaching his son to wash up, to pray, to take care of his grandfather, and then they share a tender moment as he drives away on a motorcycle

As the man gets a few miles out from the city, the motorcycle is then blown up in an instant, and we're made to understand that he was killed by drone strike.

The drone operator is slipped a one dollar bill by his partner for a "good shoot", and he folds it reluctantly. The operator is clearly suffering some kind of emotional trauma from this work, and we see one wall of his apartment covered in individual one dollar bills, numbering what must be in the hundreds.

He takes all of them down and heads to the local casino to spend it all ... except he ends up winning bTig at the roulette table, and that makes him feel even worse

Some lady at the same table starts hitting on him, and they eventually hook up, except it turns out she's married, and he gets beaten up by her husband when they're discovered

And that's the context in which he shows up to the drone facility the next day with a black eye and fat lip, at which point, his partner "jokes" about him getting beat up by a "tranny" that he must have tried to pick up.

he whole point of this mini-arc is supposed to make us feel like A. drone pilots suffer from PTSD also, and B. the Syrian child we saw at the beginning of the episode is now without a father, and THAT'S SAD

But it's never questioned whether America should be doing any of this in the first place.

___

Much later on in the season, the wife of the Syrian Bad Guy runs away from their estate after discovering that he's been working with and training Islamist radicals. She takes the kids with her, and enlists the help of a sympathetic uncle.

They get discovered by the husband's goons, the uncle is killed trying to help them escape, and then the wife is assaulted, and is heavily implied that she's about to be raped.

This is when the camera pans out to inform the viewer that they've been watched by that same drone operator we met earlier this entire time. The operator makes a snap decision to fire a missile without getting prior authorization, and manages to target the Hellfire missile in such a way that the Islamist militiaman assaulting the wife is the only one hit and killed by the missile, without significantly harming the woman. The woman escapes the dead man's clutches, runs over to her children, and continues the journey.

The operator sees all this, and it's heavily implied by the look on his face and the swelling music that this was a redemptive moment for him. He did something good, for once.

lol is this the show with jim halpert?

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
Star Wars is fine if you don't over think it (or really think about it) and just enjoy the big dumb ride in a good theater.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

spacemang_spliff posted:

lol is this the show with jim halpert?

yes

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

what deep message was into darkness trying to impart to us i must have missed it in between all the gratutious klingons white khan moments and that time they tested magic antiradiation blood on tribbles

Neutronium fuel can't melt unobtanium beams

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Normal thing is good for what it is

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Wasn't into darkness written by a 911 truther

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The point is having an idea and sticking with it is better than trying to make Corporate Product For Mass Consumption (C)

I hate to tell ya but they're all Corporate Products For Mass Consumption (C)

If you're looking for stuff that isn't Corporate Product for Mass Consumption, Star Wars ain't the place to go.

Panzeh has issued a correction as of 16:48 on Nov 21, 2019

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk


kind of disappointed that the recent episode of watchmen just has the senator come on screen and reveal how he and the dead sheriff were actually in cahoots. like it was obvious from the start that the senator had ulterior motives and that the sheriff was crooked, but the show seemed like it was going to let the characters do some sleuthing and figure it out organically. nope, instead the senator just blurts the whole scheme to the audience like half-way through the episode.

i'm also still confused about whatever is supposed to be happening with adrian. he's in space hell on one of jupiter's moons except there's arbitrary rules in place keeping him there but there's also a magic line he can cross which drops him back on the surface of said moon in real time. i assume it's going to be a dr. manhattan plot mcguffin because you can't have a serial show inspired by a comic book and not have every single thing from the source material make an appearance, even though doctor manhattan's direct comments at the end of the comic amount to "peace out bitches, i'm going to another galaxy"

edit: gently caress, the "game warden" is just going to be rorshach brought back to life by manhattan to serve as adrian's jailor isn't it

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

Freaking Crumbum posted:

kind of disappointed that the recent episode of watchmen just has the senator come on screen and reveal how he and the dead sheriff were actually in cahoots. like it was obvious from the start that the senator had ulterior motives and that the sheriff was crooked, but the show seemed like it was going to let the characters do some sleuthing and figure it out organically. nope, instead the senator just blurts the whole scheme to the audience like half-way through the episode.

i'm also still confused about whatever is supposed to be happening with adrian. he's in space hell on one of jupiter's moons except there's arbitrary rules in place keeping him there but there's also a magic line he can cross which drops him back on the surface of said moon in real time. i assume it's going to be a dr. manhattan plot mcguffin because you can't have a serial show inspired by a comic book and not have every single thing from the source material make an appearance, even though doctor manhattan's direct comments at the end of the comic amount to "peace out bitches, i'm going to another galaxy"

edit: gently caress, the "game warden" is just going to be rorshach brought back to life by manhattan to serve as adrian's jailor isn't it

ive given up on working out whats actually going on because the show just doesn't tell you anything until it feels like it

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


Better than my attempt, Poe Damer-1

the sequels should have ripped off Dune more

the EU already had a tusken raider jedi that went on to be emperor, just go all in and have him come to power by launching a jihad

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Well, thanks to the last three hundred posts in this thread I now have doubled my total number of Star Wars Deeply Held Truths from one to two:

1: The first movie (which is not the fourth movie) is called "Star Wars", not "A New Hope"

2: Star Wars is a prequel to Battlestar Galactica, where the robot slaves finally rebel and start murdering the poo poo out of the humans

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Farm Frenzy posted:

ive given up on working out whats actually going on because the show just doesn't tell you anything until it feels like it

Reminder that the guy who made Lost is the show runner.

Mysteries for mysteries sake for all!

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
Edit: wrong thread.

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

gradenko_2000 posted:

CIA bad

E: this was also the message of the second season of Star Trek Discovery

"CIA bad but War on Terror very very good."

That film tried, but it was so loving hamstrung by its own cynical Sorkin politics.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

hell ye a this is the star war content ive been waiting for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvGa2c3rEuE

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

it would be cool if the mandalorian had a slug thrower as a last ditch weapon and deringers a guy at the space casino or something

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Reverend Dr
Feb 9, 2005

Thanks Reverend

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

hell ye a this is the star war content ive been waiting for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvGa2c3rEuE

scifi gun nerds are the absolute loving worst

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