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HEY GUNS posted:"merriment," "enjoying myself" (Εὐφροσύνος) Roman/ancient history: in the classical world, all moms are wine moms.
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HEY GUNS posted:"merriment," "enjoying myself" (Εὐφροσύνος) It's literally saying "I'm gay".
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Nov 21, 2019 21:34
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Zopotantor posted:Yeah, it's all Greek to me. So that was Greek I'm guessing? I literally can't tell sadly 
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Nov 21, 2019 21:53
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New show coming out soon, Domina. 10 part political series based on Licia Drussila. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/sky-sets-ancient-rome-drama-domina-isabella-rossellini-1256555?__twitter_impression=true Hoping its gonna be good
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Nov 21, 2019 22:35
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Dalael posted:New show coming out soon, Domina. Odd lack of Augustus in that cast list
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Nov 21, 2019 23:47
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I love how the article says she overcame adversity. Yeah, by killing everyone. I, Claudius painted her really dark in my mind.
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Nov 21, 2019 23:47
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Bob A Feet posted:I love how the article says she overcame adversity. Yeah, by killing everyone. I, Claudius painted her really dark in my mind. I just finished this book. No idea how accurate it is, but very entertaining. I liked her line, "I never forgot whose daughter I was."
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Nov 21, 2019 23:58
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Bob A Feet posted:I love how the article says she overcame adversity. Yeah, by killing everyone. I, Claudius painted her really dark in my mind. "livia kills everyone" is a pretty lazy interpretation of events though, especially when you remember to read the contemporary accounts through the lens of the insanely misogynistic Romans who were writing it, and basically treat any woman with an amount of power as a wicked stepmother.
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Nov 22, 2019 00:01
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WoodrowSkillson posted:"livia kills everyone" is a pretty lazy interpretation of events though, especially when you remember to read the contemporary accounts through the lens of the insanely misogynistic Romans who were writing it, and basically treat any woman with an amount of power as a wicked stepmother. Yeah well I just said my interpretation was based off an old book of historical fiction. So maybe just maybe that had something to do with it
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Nov 22, 2019 00:21
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Grevling posted:It's literally saying "I'm gay".  unrelated but I liked this video about how the Roman army was reformed during and after the third century https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtQCfQmhdNU This channel, Kings and Generals, has been putting out a lot of videos recently covering aspects of Roman history I hadn't read about before. It's been going much deeper than just summarizing battles.
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Nov 22, 2019 01:17
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Bob A Feet posted:Yeah well I just said my interpretation was based off an old book of historical fiction. So maybe just maybe that had something to do with it Could be worse. I once found a blog post by someone talking about the giant head-chopping machine from Caligula as an example of the extreme depravity and cruelty of the Roman elite and connecting it back to modern glorification of violence in media, while being frustrated at their inability to find historical sources on it. They took it for granted that it was real.
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Nov 22, 2019 03:04
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chitoryu12 posted:Could be worse. I once found a blog post by someone talking about the giant head-chopping machine from Caligula as an example of the extreme depravity and cruelty of the Roman elite and connecting it back to modern glorification of violence in media, while being frustrated at their inability to find historical sources on it. They took it for granted that it was real. Whereas in reality, everyone knows that while the Romans invented a head-chopping machine, it was only used as a toy, because the ubiquity of slavery meant that enslaved executioners were cheaper. There's a story that an inventor came to the Emperor with a head-chopping machine. After finding out that the inventor was the only one who knew how to make it, he ordered him beheaded because he was afraid that its introduction would lead to unemployment and social unrest.
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Nov 22, 2019 04:08
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Epicurius posted:There's a story that an inventor came to the Emperor with a head-chopping machine. After finding out that the inventor was the only one who knew how to make it, he ordered him beheaded because he was afraid that its introduction would lead to unemployment and social unrest. That emperor's name? Albert Einstein.
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Nov 22, 2019 04:16
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Epicurius posted:Whereas in reality, everyone knows that while the Romans invented a head-chopping machine, it was only used as a toy, because the ubiquity of slavery meant that enslaved executioners were cheaper. lol, but also I was thinking about the story (supposedly from Pliny, but I'm not going to check if he really described it) of the guy who discovered a new silvery metal and got executed by Tiberius to hide the secret of its manufacture again recently. If there is any truth to this story at all, which there probably isn't, but if there is, the metal is much more likely to have been zinc rather than aluminum. This is because while neither metal was really understood in Pliny's time, zinc is relatively simple produce using classical technology, while producing aluminum would have been so difficult its hard to imagine any viable means for the Romans to obtain it. In fact Strabo gives a description of some kind of false silver precipitating on the walls of furnaces used to smelt copper which was normally discarded, and this false silver is almost certainly zinc. Zinc is often found in the same ores as copper, but its low vaporization temperature meant it usually just evaporated away or dissolved into the copper to make brass. To get the metal you have to cool the vapor so until it solidifies. Conceivably the unfortunate guy who thought he was about to impress Tiberius could have made his cup just by collecting the beads that formed accidentally.
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Nov 22, 2019 05:44
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Communist Walrus posted:That emperor's name? Albert Einstein.
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Nov 22, 2019 08:49
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Nessus posted:Jupiter was protecting the Senate and the People of Rome, and was thus occupied / Therefore he sent I, Todus Graecus of the praetorian guard, to smite you in your Dacian jaw. 
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Nov 22, 2019 12:20
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WoodrowSkillson posted:"livia kills everyone" is a pretty lazy interpretation of events though, especially when you remember to read the contemporary accounts through the lens of the insanely misogynistic Romans who were writing it, and basically treat any woman with an amount of power as a wicked stepmother. She's been dead for a thousand+ years. You're safe, she can''t kill you anymore. You can admit your true feelings.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:54
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Dalael posted:So that was Greek I'm guessing? I literally can't tell sadly
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Nov 22, 2019 17:18
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Palgrave-Macmillan is having a completely bonkers sale, selling their academic textbooks for 9.99 a pop: https://www.palgrave.com/gp/shop/cybermonday-sale?token=cyber19pal
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Nov 22, 2019 20:25
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So which out of the 14 pages of environmental studies is appropriate for helping me teach environmental science?
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Nov 22, 2019 21:17
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TIL from the History of English Podcast the exploits of alpha bro king Eadwig who flew too close to the sun:quote:Dunstan's Life alleges that on the banquet following the solemnity of his coronation at Kingston (Surrey), Eadwig left the table and retreated to his chamber to debauch himself with two women, an indecent noblewoman (quaedam, licet natione prćcelsa, inepta tamen mulier), later identified as Ćthelgifu, and her daughter of ripe age (adulta filia). They are said to have attached themselves to him "obviously in order to join and ally herself or else her daughter to him in lawful marriage.".[23] Shocked by Eadwig's unseemly withdrawal, the nobles sent Dunstan and Bishop Cynesige, who forcefully dragged the king back to the feast. For this act, Dunstan had incurred the enmity of the king, who sent him into exile at Ćthelgifu's instigation.
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Nov 22, 2019 21:58
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The British History podcast also covers the same event, except that the moral in this case is that you should never cross a bold anglo-saxon archbishop. The powerful, politically connected archbishops always seem to come on top in the end.
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Nov 22, 2019 22:12
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Siivola posted:Palgrave-Macmillan is having a completely bonkers sale, selling their academic textbooks for 9.99 a pop: https://www.palgrave.com/gp/shop/cybermonday-sale?token=cyber19pal 
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Nov 22, 2019 22:22
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Siivola posted:Palgrave-Macmillan is having a completely bonkers sale, selling their academic textbooks for 9.99 a pop: https://www.palgrave.com/gp/shop/cybermonday-sale?token=cyber19pal I bring this up occasionally but just to restate it, if you or anyone is near to a major institution and can get access to the wifi/a computer (it probably varies but even a guest pass should work, and at least the places I've been you don't need to be in the library), a pretty staggering amount of academic books have been getting uploaded to JSTOR, Project Muse, the Cambridge University Press website*, and the like. Of what I've looked for that's been released in the past 2 decades, things that aren't available are actually in the minority, and it seems like every year more is getting put up. Access obviously varies a bit between institutions but I'm sure there's a lot to go on basically wherever, and if you're lucky like me and are near a bunch of huge ones you might find yourself with like 15 grand worth of academic books you didn't know you wanted. You do have to download them chapter by chapter which is a pain in the rear end though. *I haven't cross checked it comprehensively or anything, but as far as I know they've got literally all their monumental history series' up, which I would definitely recommend to basically everyone in this thread if you don't mind a bit of dense reading as a comprehensive introduction to probably most major fields of history.
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Nov 23, 2019 03:00
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Also, this is probably also old news to lots of you but I only just learned about it a month back and am kicking myself for having not known about it for longer--for those of you with iPhones and a lack of hatred for robot voices, check out Accessibility -> Spoken Content and turn on Speak Screen. Any PDF (like those you just downloaded from JSTOR!) can become an audiobook, and at least with Apple's Books app it saves your place and so on too. You might have to tweak the PDFs some,* but I've been really impressed with it, it doesn't garble the words nearly as much as I thought it would; even for Korean/Japanese/Chinese stuff, if you sort of know the words it's talking about, it's pretty easy to make sense of. *books with substantial footnotes are probably gonna be confusing to listen to, and then stuff downloaded from the academic websites usually has footnotes on every page marking where it was downloaded from and so on, but that's relatively trivial to remove with Adobe Acrobat.
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Nov 23, 2019 03:11
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That's a really good point, but I want to emphasize the sale is for all books including the hardcover editions.
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Nov 23, 2019 10:30
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LingcodKilla posted:Well what does it say? "doot"
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Nov 23, 2019 12:12
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Does anyone know if there's a free online resource for the Roman legions? I'm dying to get to read the Complete Roman Legions but I'm boycotting amazon and can't afford shipping from other providers 
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Nov 24, 2019 14:21
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I know some of you like to make old recipies. Today someone whom.i follow on twitter tweeted this one. Thought id share for those braver than me. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Apicius/4*.html https://twitter.com/SarahEBond/status/1199673380984807425?s=19
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Nov 27, 2019 14:10
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I was listening to the Tides of History podcast several weeks ago, and paraphrasing, they were discussing how fractious the European kingdoms were. Like in a middle eastern or eastern kingdom, having your nobles war upon each other would represent a massive loss of legitimacy by the central government. But in Europe, that was routine, the status quo. Therefore, does anyone have good examples of private wars fought by nobles within a kingdom like France? Something pithy that I can break out in a conversation?
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Nov 28, 2019 01:17
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Phobophilia posted:I was listening to the Tides of History podcast several weeks ago, and paraphrasing, they were discussing how fractious the European kingdoms were. Like in a middle eastern or eastern kingdom, having your nobles war upon each other would represent a massive loss of legitimacy by the central government. But in Europe, that was routine, the status quo. In Barbara Tuchman's book on France she mentioned a war between two noblewomen over a fief while their husbands were indisposed (one was captured by the English and the other killed by them).
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Nov 28, 2019 02:22
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Phobophilia posted:I was listening to the Tides of History podcast several weeks ago, and paraphrasing, they were discussing how fractious the European kingdoms were. Like in a middle eastern or eastern kingdom, having your nobles war upon each other would represent a massive loss of legitimacy by the central government. But in Europe, that was routine, the status quo. The Armagnac–Burgundian Civil War is the big example, heavily intertwined with the Hundred Years War. It most definitely did erode royal legitimacy though.
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Nov 28, 2019 03:00
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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also arguably Literally Everything In The Holy Roman Empire, otoh there were long (, long, long) periods where the accepted opinion of the Emperor was "lol", so maybe that's more of a confirmation
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Nov 28, 2019 03:21
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Phobophilia posted:I was listening to the Tides of History podcast several weeks ago, and paraphrasing, they were discussing how fractious the European kingdoms were. Like in a middle eastern or eastern kingdom, having your nobles war upon each other would represent a massive loss of legitimacy by the central government. But in Europe, that was routine, the status quo. I mean, wasn't it still a loss of legitimacy in Europe? The feudal feuding wasn't really going on by the time some European monarchies started to get more autocratic, was it?
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Nov 28, 2019 03:24
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I know that I've read about some period of Chinese history where fiefdoms fought eachother despite being still subordinate to an emperor and federal government. There's also the Japanese warring states period, although that's more comprehensively a failure of the central government. I can't for the life of me remember specific European examples of intra-state warfare though. I know I've read about HRE cities having fights with rural feudal lords over jurisdiction, and there's the ol' cases of lords getting their lands splintered upon the succession of the next generation and then the successors fighting over getting the whole pot. I guess there's also things like the Pazzi/Medici feud within the structures of the Republic of Florence, or heck, even the establishment of the Republic by the people of the city of Florence after they refused to accept the new Marquis of Tuscany, since that rebellion happened within the overall jurisdiction of the HRE, yet it didn't denote the illegitimacy of the whole empire. Although the HRE and Italy had a very complex relationship in general, with weird jurisdictional issues and things like the Pope maybe being under imperial jurisdiction, although acting with de facto independence. And then bits of Italy individually decided whether they supported imperial or papal rule, which was the overall cause of the 1325 Bucket War between Bologna and Modena. And of course, that war also intersected with the Avignon Papacy, where the popes were heavily being influenced by French kings despite having theoretically no legal authority over the pope. Maybe the entire medieval period in Europe was just one long series of failures of governmental legitimacy.
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Nov 28, 2019 04:23
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SlothfulCobra posted:I know that I've read about some period of Chinese history where fiefdoms fought eachother despite being still subordinate to an emperor and federal government. There's also the Japanese warring states period, although that's more comprehensively a failure of the central government. That would be the Zhou Dynasty, within which was the Chinese Warring States period that the Japanese one was named for.  By the Warring States part of the dynasty they were really only nominally subordinate though, the central government had failed halfway through the dynasty (although there were wars between fiefdoms while it was strong in the early part too). Also, it was only a king, not an emperor! The fiefdoms going and declaring themselves kings rather than dukes marked the final challenge to that centralized authority, and the Chinese title of emperor was created after unification to reassume a superior status in the hierarchy.
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Yeah, the Warring States, or the Three Kingdoms, when fiefs started declaring war on another, it was a sign that the emperor or shogun had lost legitimacy and that some upstart had an opportunity to fling himself to the top of the pile. Western kingdoms seemed to tolerate this kind of behavior more than in the East, it merely degraded legitimacy.
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Nov 28, 2019 05:30
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GreyjoyBastard posted:also arguably Literally Everything In The Holy Roman Empire, otoh there were long (, long, long) periods where the accepted opinion of the Emperor was "lol", so maybe that's more of a confirmation  Götz von Berlichingen
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Nov 28, 2019 09:55
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Dalael posted:I know some of you like to make old recipies. Today someone whom.i follow on twitter tweeted this one. Thought id share for those braver than me. I don't understand how this is interesting if they're not using any of the vegetables that the original recipe could have been referring to (gourd, some kind of cucumber or melon?)
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Siivola posted:Palgrave-Macmillan is having a completely bonkers sale, selling their academic textbooks for 9.99 a pop: https://www.palgrave.com/gp/shop/cybermonday-sale?token=cyber19pal Holy poo poo, thanks for this! Excited to read about the transformation-versus-decline perspectives applied to the Muslim conquests in the Eastern Mediterranean.
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