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Vargatron posted:Also, if you're employed publicly, you might be in the same role your entire career, that's not uncommon. I took a slight pay cut to get in a job that's a million times less stressful and I'm probably going to have this job for the next 5 years, at least until I get my degree and try to move internally. Yeah, I would consider myself lucky as poo poo in these troubled times if I can keep my public sector job forever with insane benefits, a 36.25 hour week, mandatory annual raises, and a fat pension. And the work is actually interesting, to boot.
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DropsySufferer posted:...haven't slowly promoted up over the years to IT director or something.... Save me from IT Directors that got their position because of a 10 year long game of musical chairs at the same company.
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DropsySufferer posted:No not just two years that's insane. But if person has been with a company 10 years or something and is still in the position they started. Yea, I had one colleque who was precisely that. He could work early shifts or work late as his family stuff mandated and he was happy in his spot. On the other hand, in one other job I had an another colleque who had been there 10 years and was almost bursting at his seams. In a team of 6 people plus the team lead he was stressed all the time, behaved really badly towards everyone and he wouldn't let people who had been there 5+ years do anything unless he was supervising. I was told by 3 colleques in the six months I spent there (6 month contract and I told them at the 3 month mark that I won't extend it even if they would offer me the opportunity) that a.) the three of them were planning on leaving unless they were promoted (they were, past mr. stressed) and b.) that I was the fourth person in 2 years to leave because of that dude. Getting stuck in the same place can make some people really bonkers also.
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We had a guy who did the same job for 27 years at a financial company I worked for.
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I mentioned my contemplation a few weeks back but today I  .The boss understood me wanting to move closer to family, no issues there. They might be open to allowing me to work remote for a few weeks/months while they post my position and get someone hired, have to wait and see what the Director says. No job lined up yet but I have a couple of phone interviews scheduled for next week. Worst case scenario is I chill on the beach through the end of December then start hitting it heavy come January 2nd. It'll be a big benefit to be able to interview in person instead of video/phone.
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I left a job cause of a lovely commute, taking a pay cut in the process and now I deeply regret it. I've been at this small MSP for 6 months now, 3 of the 5 man team I'm on have been here over 10 years and it's clear they all checked out a while ago. I have to log my 8 hrs in a timecard every day wether it's billable hours or no. It fuckin sucks. gently caress.
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Not everyone wants to be a director. I’ve done the leadership role. It’s not a promotion. Thankfully companies mostly realize now that you want to keep your ICs then you should pay them and not just promote them to a job they’ll hate.
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Yeah, I moved from manager to senior engineer this year and I'm happy with it. You don't have to actually do the managing bit to be a in a leadership or mentoring role. Someone else can do the 1:1s and quarterly reviews. I just want to work with cool poo poo and help other people work with cool poo poo.
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I went from director back to sysadmin and it was pretty much the best decision I ever made in my career. I just do my projects building neat stuff and no unpaid overtime and it rules.
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Nov 21, 2019 03:11
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Methanar posted:It's so we could dump their frame buffers with vnc.
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jaegerx posted:Not everyone wants to be a director. I’ve done the leadership role. It’s not a promotion. Thankfully companies mostly realize now that you want to keep your ICs then you should pay them and not just promote them to a job they’ll hate.
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Yeah like I'm in the position that I have zero desire to be managing high-level strategic nonsense - I'd rather cap out at technical manager and be a (highly paid) thing-doer.
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I only have management experience in smaller orgs, but I have been some level of management most of my career. I'm current a senior engineer and that's a nice change of pace, but I think I'm really good at pushing an org in the right direction and I think I'm a good boss. But man is it an exhausting role. This is the second time in my career I've taken a step back to recharge and it's a lot worse than the last time I burnt out. I'm not sure what my next steps are going to be.
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From my perspective, there are two paths to pushing an org in the right direction and they are complementary. Director: Putting together effective teams and practices to meet the business goals Architect: Charting the technical path to meet the business goals. They enable each other. A bad team is going to gently caress up a good technical plan, but a bad technical plan is going to frustrate a good team.
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I did the math and the tuition credit my job offers is like $9k per year and will only grow as tuition rates rise. On the other hand, I'm basically a 30 year old in classes full of freshman. Oh well, cant argue with a paycheck that comes with free school.
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bull3964 posted:From my perspective, there are two paths to pushing an org in the right direction and they are complementary.
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counterpoint: nobody knows what a software architect is, the role varies quite a lot depending on company
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DELETE CASCADE posted:counterpoint: nobody knows what a software architect is, the role varies quite a lot depending on company Uh they architect software, duh, god
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In my org, Architect is the individual contributor counterpart to Director and the step up from engineer if you don't want to go into management track.
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bull3964 posted:In my org, Architect is the individual contributor counterpart to Director and the step up from engineer if you don't want to go into management track. Whats a principal then?
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Methanar posted:Whats a principal then? That’s the one you get sent to when you gently caress up right
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Oh good. Title chat again. Every org is different.
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Methanar posted:Whats a principal then? Non-existent.
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deedee megadoodoo posted:Oh good. Title chat again. Every org is different. I'm an engineer
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bull3964 posted:Non-existent. 
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Nov 22, 2019 00:45
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CLAM DOWN posted:I'm an engineer I architect solutions
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I architect solutions that customers ignore.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I'm an engineer I am a banana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa641Awmj0E
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Negative, I am a meat popsicle.
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What job do y’all use when people ask you what you do for a living? I tell people I clean windows for office buildings. Its exciting because I hang off that cool swing.
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“I work with computers.” Because normally idgaf if you think I’m a CJ or goddamn Steve Jobs. Sometimes I go with “I work in IT.” and rapidly change the subject, because you really don’t want to know that I get very excited about finding out how database engines perform under very large data sets.
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Saying you're in IT is a good way for people to wind up asking you to fix their computer/phoelne and it's easier to just not have those conversations at all. I tell people I'm an engineer or an analyst.
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I just tell people I'm unemployed. Its easier to explain.
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And less embarrasing
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jaegerx posted:What job do y’all use when people ask you what you do for a living? I tell people I clean windows for office buildings. Its exciting because I hang off that cool swing. "I'm a penetration specialist  "
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CLAM DOWN posted:"I'm a penetration specialist That's a good lie
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jaegerx posted:What job do y’all use when people ask you what you do for a living? I tell people I clean windows for office buildings. Its exciting because I hang off that cool swing. "I herd cat5"
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CLAM DOWN posted:I'm an engineer The only thing I engineer is some fuckin coffee in the morning
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Super Slash posted:The only thing I engineer is some fuckin coffee in the morning
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I work for a software company who's product is fairly ubiquitous. I say "you know this thing? I work on that." And leave it there, despite my job having nothing to do with 'working on that'. Nobody cares what I'm actually doing with network automation bullshit, and 0 people I know outside of work recognizes the word 'kubernetes'.
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