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DalaranJ posted:You know who makes the best pizza? Edge Knot City. I finally got every porter to 5 stars, pizza ended it for me, fittingly
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Raptor1033 posted:Oh hey, if I hit a MULE so hard with my vehicle that I got blood splatter on the windshield; does that mean a trip to the incinerator is in my near future? probably not, did it make the kid freak out? If yes, RRROOOOADKILLLL. If no, your high speed vehicle impact merely knocked out the post-apocalyptic cargo raider and you can continue on your journey.
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i was going to start a new game because i can't stop thinking about it but i'm going to be a responsible adult and wait for the pc release instead
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Ok more story questions. So I'm confused when the 5th DS actually happens. Some sources say the 5th and current DS happens when Amelie/Bridget brings Sam back from the beach when he dies as BB. But that doesn't make any sense since Bridges the company already exists and I thought Bridges was founded after the DS. Also they are doing BB experiments on Sam at the time which is also something that should be happening post DS. Also why is Bridget wearing a die hard mask? 
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Maya Fey posted:i was going to start a new game because i can't stop thinking about it but i'm going to be a responsible adult and wait for the pc release instead Yeah I’m already tempted to play again. Gonna give it some time though and let myself forget about stuff before I jump back in. Can you reload an old save when you start a new game or is your progress gone forever?
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God, this game. When it's rewarding, it's soooo much fun. Other times, it just hoses you. I mean, just reeeaaaaly hoses you. Save scumming when in a new area seems to be the thing to do. Otherwise, prepare to repeat an hour+ of DS's strand-type game gameplay.
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UltraRed posted:God, this game. When it's rewarding, it's soooo much fun. Other times, it just hoses you. I mean, just reeeaaaaly hoses you. Save scumming when in a new area seems to be the thing to do. Otherwise, prepare to repeat an hour+ of DS's strand-type game gameplay. I've been playing for at least like 25-30 hours and haven't come across anything like this. Also bulldozing MULEs with a truck is the best way to handle MULE camps. Haven't tried it with terrorists yet, do their guns wreak havoc on trucks?
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I dunno, last time I went honking into a mule camp with a truck one of them got ragdoll-stuck in my hood and basically acted as my battering ram for everything else I ran into. He ended up dying and I had to keep playing demolition derby all the way to the incinerator hoping he’d dislodge so I could properly dispose of him
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Shaocaholica posted:Ok more story questions. So I'm confused when the 5th DS actually happens. Some sources say the 5th and current DS happens when Amelie/Bridget brings Sam back from the beach when he dies as BB. But that doesn't make any sense since Bridges the company already exists and I thought Bridges was founded after the DS. Also they are doing BB experiments on Sam at the time which is also something that should be happening post DS. Also why is Bridget wearing a die hard mask? You're right, that doesn't fit the timeline - BTs were already on earth before the BB program was started (it's mentioned that someone created the first BB on accident and saw a BT as a result) and Sam wasn't even the start of the BB program. She's wearing the mask because the BB program was supposed to be shut down and she was continuing it in secret, and wearing a mask obviously makes it impossible for anyone to recognize the President of the United States. UltraRed posted:God, this game. When it's rewarding, it's soooo much fun. Other times, it just hoses you. I mean, just reeeaaaaly hoses you. Save scumming when in a new area seems to be the thing to do. Otherwise, prepare to repeat an hour+ of DS's strand-type game gameplay. I actually never once saved or loaded my game. The fact that there's in-world respawn mechanic made me mentally file the game alongside Dark Souls and the like, and put me in the mindset to just play through my catastrophic fuckups.
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Shaocaholica posted:Ok more story questions. So I'm confused when the 5th DS actually happens. Some sources say the 5th and current DS happens when Amelie/Bridget brings Sam back from the beach when he dies as BB. But that doesn't make any sense since Bridges the company already exists and I thought Bridges was founded after the DS. Also they are doing BB experiments on Sam at the time which is also something that should be happening post DS. Also why is Bridget wearing a die hard mask? I’m unsure if the exact timing relative to the events of the game, but the DS begins when a surgeon performs a cesarean on a brain dead woman in Manhattan and cuts the umbilical cord, triggering a voidout that destroys the city. I can’t remember if this is ever mentioned outside of interview logs but there’s a few about it. So by the time the game starts, the stranding is in full swing yeah. I don’t understand the mask either. For die hard man I get it, because he’s trying to hide his ID to fake his death but I don’t understand why Bridget had it at all.
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I just did the Chiral Artist - Junk Dealer orders. So with other missions you can get the cargo destroyed and just re-requisition it, but uh is it possible to get the artist killed here
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I just did the Chiral Artist - Junk Dealer orders. So with other missions you can get the cargo destroyed and just re-requisition it, but uh is it possible to get the artist killed here I'm sure you can just 3D print a new one.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I just did the Chiral Artist - Junk Dealer orders. So with other missions you can get the cargo destroyed and just re-requisition it, but uh is it possible to get the artist killed here You’ll have to investigate for us. But first take her to some hot springs
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I just did the Chiral Artist - Junk Dealer orders. So with other missions you can get the cargo destroyed and just re-requisition it, but uh is it possible to get the artist killed here I assume you just get a game over. I got one when I was delivering mission critical cargo and got sucked into a void out (I stacked it too high and it fell into the mud)
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I just did the Chiral Artist - Junk Dealer orders. So with other missions you can get the cargo destroyed and just re-requisition it, but uh is it possible to get the artist killed here I haven't tried it, but I assume it's just a game-over like if you choose to deliver the nuke to south-knot city.
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I’m such a klutz, I keep spilling Mom and I’m on like my eighth Mom
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Got bowled over by a falling boulder delivering the antimatter bomb to mountain knot city and that was a game over.
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Hungry Computer posted:I haven't tried it, but I assume it's just a game-over like if you choose to deliver the nuke to south-knot city. I...uh....did this. I somehow missed that I needed to talk to Fragile at the distribution center and waltzed right to South Knot because I expected some kind of cutscene to happen before I could blow up the city. welp
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Steve Yun posted:You’ll have to investigate for us. Also press the touchpad. Also press the touchpad after you got the harmonica.
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Speaking of game overs (endgame spoiler) i appreciate the fakeout towards the end of the game, where amelie acts like you have to choose between letting her kill the world or stopping her; but if you “choose” the bad ending it’s just a game over. I appreciate that kojima was with me as I thought “why on earth would I choose that”
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Triarii posted:You're right, that doesn't fit the timeline - BTs were already on earth before the BB program was started (it's mentioned that someone created the first BB on accident and saw a BT as a result) and Sam wasn't even the start of the BB program. She's wearing the mask because the BB program was supposed to be shut down and she was continuing it in secret, and wearing a mask obviously makes it impossible for anyone to recognize the President of the United States. I had to save scum just one time so far: when I drove a half truckload of poo poo from Mountain region to the weather station, and got an education on how partial delivery works when I somehow deposited only one out of ten doodads, didn't choose partial, and the rest of them just spontaneously erased themselves. Edit: I'll defend some of the perceived un-intuitiveness of the menus in the game because it's in support of a really flexible and eventually logical system once you get what it's trying to do but the partial delivery options and "entrust" being a default for lost cargo every single time you drop off anything while holding it are baaaaad. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Nov 22, 2019 |
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I had one of my only savescums yesterday taking Mama's body to heartman's I took a very bad route that had no way up and I didn't want to talk all the way around so I just loaded my last save which was just before I left.
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Been save scumming a little to S rank missions for the platinum. There's an order to take over a ton(ne?) of stuff from South Knot to the Geologist on a time limit and that last hill is a pain to truck up. In fact I had to get to a nearby zip and carry 4 boxes at a time from there.
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Colonel Whitey posted:I...uh....did this. I somehow missed that I needed to talk to Fragile at the distribution center and waltzed right to South Knot because I expected some kind of cutscene to happen before I could blow up the city. welp This was kind of a weird thing by the way. Nothing with Fragile would happen if I immediately went down to the private room. There's no way to like... call her otherwise. You have to instead go to the distribution center and THEN you'll get the cutscene. I only decided to stop there because surely that should trigger something (which it does). But what if someone is just like "well I don't need to stop I'll just keep going I guess". Why is there no way to trigger the cutscene at the first location? Triarii posted:I actually never once saved or loaded my game. The fact that there's in-world respawn mechanic made me mentally file the game alongside Dark Souls and the like, and put me in the mindset to just play through my catastrophic fuckups. I only reloaded my save one time that I can remember, and that's when you get the quest to go from Heartman's lab to the cross shaped bridge. I tried to go out of my way to avoid a BT area, but made the mistake of not bringing any ladders, so I fell off the ledge of a mountain, but all my stuff fell off of me and got stuck up there. I literally had no way of getting my stuff back, I couldn't climb up it, and I couldn't find my way back around to get up there. So I just gave up and restarted. Kind of sucked because to get to that point, I had to go through a decently sized BT area in the snow so I had to do that a second time Macaluso fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Nov 22, 2019 |
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Triarii posted:You're right, that doesn't fit the timeline - BTs were already on earth before the BB program was started (it's mentioned that someone created the first BB on accident and saw a BT as a result) and Sam wasn't even the start of the BB program. She's wearing the mask because the BB program was supposed to be shut down and she was continuing it in secret, and wearing a mask obviously makes it impossible for anyone to recognize the President of the United States. Ainsley McTree posted:I’m unsure if the exact timing relative to the events of the game, but the DS begins when a surgeon performs a cesarean on a brain dead woman in Manhattan and cuts the umbilical cord, triggering a voidout that destroys the city. I can’t remember if this is ever mentioned outside of interview logs but there’s a few about it. So by the time the game starts, the stranding is in full swing yeah. Ok so story events in order: 0)Bridget is born (not sure if this is the right time. She is not the 6th EE yet) 1)Manhattan voidout #1, start of 5th DS (who is the 5th EE?) 2)America/world gets 'sploded, BTs arrive 3)Bridgets soul as a child is stranded from her body due to some traumatic event. Universe makes her the 6th EE. (not sure on the timing of this) 4)Bridget becomes first woman pres through succession? Because the man pres got sploded? 5)Bridges company formed to reconnect America/the world 6)BB program begins 7)BB program ends (continues in secret headed by incognito Bridget) 8)Sam is (still)born to Cliff and Lisa, enters secret BB program at Bridges headed by incognito Bridget who is pres 9)Sam is killed and then reptriated by Bridget/Amelie (is this event supposed to be more significant than just bringing Sam back to life? People have said it made even more BTs?) 10)Sam is raised by Bridget as her son 11)Sam becomes a founding member of Bridges as an adult 12)Sam marries Lucy and impregnates her naming the unborn child Lou 13)Lucy commits suicide (because chirilium? in secret?) causing a voidout(Manhattan voidout #2?) in which Sam is the sole survivor because repatriate 14)Sam leaves Bridges and becomes a porter 15)Game start Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Nov 22, 2019 |
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Macaluso posted:This was kind of a weird thing by the way. Nothing with Fragile would happen if I immediately went down to the private room. There's no way to like... call her otherwise. You have to instead go to the distribution center and THEN you'll get the cutscene. I only decided to stop there because surely that should trigger something (which it does). But what if someone is just like "well I don't need to stop I'll just keep going I guess". Why is there no way to trigger the cutscene at the first location? I actually had no idea you could talk to fragile beforehand; I set off the nuke twice before realizing I needed to do something else; the nearby tar lake felt like a clue
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Macaluso posted:This was kind of a weird thing by the way. Nothing with Fragile would happen if I immediately went down to the private room. There's no way to like... call her otherwise. You have to instead go to the distribution center and THEN you'll get the cutscene. I only decided to stop there because surely that should trigger something (which it does). But what if someone is just like "well I don't need to stop I'll just keep going I guess". Why is there no way to trigger the cutscene at the first location? Just before picking up that order Die-Hardman mentions that Fragile is temporarily unavailable for hopping, and that she's doing something at the distro center if you want to talk to her. Also if you were paying attention to the junk dealer and chiral artist telling you about disposing of stuff in the tar lake, and you read the cargo description of the bomb, then it's possible to puzzle out that you should do that to the bomb without needing Fragile to tell you to.
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I drove into the city wondering if it would change anything, story wise. By the time I realised Fragile was at central distro I didn't feel like driving all the way back, but thankfully remembered the tar lake.
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Gruckles posted:Just before picking up that order Die-Hardman mentions that Fragile is temporarily unavailable for hopping, and that she's doing something at the distro center if you want to talk to her. Also if you were paying attention to the junk dealer and chiral artist telling you about disposing of stuff in the tar lake, and you read the cargo description of the bomb, then it's possible to puzzle out that you should do that to the bomb without needing Fragile to tell you to. Do you just skip that cutscene? And more importantly does it change what sort of likes you get because the timer never started?
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Shaocaholica posted:Ok so story events in order: The early events of the Stranding are a bit fuzzy but I think some of that is out of order: 1) A doctor accidentally creates a BB while trying to save an unborn baby from its brain-dead mother and sees a BT. I don't think it's clear whether the Death Stranding was already underway at this point but the fact that there were apparently BTs around to be seen suggests to me that it was. 2) The government starts the BB program to try to deliberately recreate those conditions so they can better understand BTs and deal with what's going on. This leads to the voidout in Manhattan, killing the president and allowing VP Bridget Strand to become president. (This was the only voidout in Manhattan; Sam's wife died in a different city. Also presumably there isn't a Manhattan anymore because it's a crater.) 3) The government officially shuts down the BB program, but Bridget continues it in secret because she wants to use them to start the chiral network. Sam is entered into this secret program when his mother suffers brain death in an accident. I'm not sure there's any particular correlation between Amelie saving Sam and the Stranding getting worse. Edit: not to suggest that the doctor seeing a BT was the literal beginning of the story. Amelie was around, Beaches had been discovered, and people were experimenting with them prior to that. Triarii fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Nov 22, 2019 |
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I feel like it would be easier to ask what part of the story you actually understood at this point.
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Gruckles posted:Also if you were paying attention to the junk dealer and chiral artist Hahaha
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Triarii posted:The early events of the Stranding are a bit fuzzy but I think some of that is out of order: I’m rewatching the ending again and Amelie says saving baby Sam and making him a repatriate was the thing that actually let massive amounts of BTs in the world causing void outs. She says saving Sam triggered the Death Stranding not long after and that’s when DOOMs started spreading. I think before that just that one void out in Manhattan happened?
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Shaocaholica posted:Ok so story events in order: This isn't right. The game's timeline isn't coherent either. Bridget is always the 6th EE. She is born that way. She has lots of nightmares. When she is 20, she 'dies' during an operation and splits into Amelie and Bridget. They are explicitly the same person. She even says "and I woke up and I was aware I was in my body and on the beach at the same time" A doctor tries to save a baby from a braindead mother which causes a voidout in Manhattan A year later Cliff gives his wife/baby to the govt. Bridget and Die-Hardman get excited since the baby (sam) is a perfect BB candidate. Die-Hardman tries to help Cliff save sam and escape. Cliff and Sam are killed. Bridget repatriates Sam and decides to raise him. The death stranding happens after this sometime. She explicitly says "the death stranding happened shortly after that" Some time passes Sam has a wife and kid. They die, there is a voidout. There's no more info about this really. Sam goes out into the wilderness to be a porter. 10 years later the game starts. According to what amelie says there were BTs before the death stranding. It's not ever clear why that is. I think we are supposed to assume Bridget's birth (or maybe her split) is what makes people aware or able to detect the beaches. I don't think we are ever told what causes the death stranding itself and it's kind of handwaved over. She does say Sam's repatriation lets BTs crawl over her beach.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:what's the point of a 800kg floating carrier if you can't possibly ever hit that cap before you hit the height cap? Same with the Power Exoskeleton? You can hook 2 Floating Carriers together at least. I never got Mk3 (is there a Mk3? I haven't 5Starred everything yet though)
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Spite posted:
I know I just posted this same thing upthread but I re-read the in-game interviews and it turns out I remembered it wrong. This incident is mysteriously labeled as "the doctor's last words" and "an annihilation event" but it isn't what causes the voidout in Manhattan. That happens mysteriously later during the BB experiments and is what kills the president, leaving Bridget in charge. source: https://deathstranding.fandom.com/wiki/From_the_Report_on_the_Voidout_in_Manhattan_1 https://deathstranding.fandom.com/wiki/From_the_Report_on_the_Voidout_in_Manhattan_2 https://deathstranding.fandom.com/wiki/From_the_Report_on_the_Voidout_in_Manhattan_3 Based on the above I'm not at all clear if the "who the hell?" moment was a voidout or not. It's only described as "an incident", "an annihilation event", and "the moment that changed everything—the moment the surgeon's hand touched the cord." I guess this plot was more kojima than i realized
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Spite posted:This isn't right. The game's timeline isn't coherent either. Presumably BTs were always around chilling in their antimatter universe or whatever, and maybe floating about on Earth but unable to do anything meaningful due to the lack of ambient chiralium. My assumption is that Bridget/Amelie flexing their powers and discovering Beaches (they mention I think that Bridget's split and discovery of her Beach is what prompts research into Beaches as a whole) starts letting BTs and chiralium out into our universe, and once that happens it's a slippery slope to the end of the world. We see during the game that the ambient chiralium increase created by linking up the network either makes BTs more powerful or allows more of them to slip into reality. And since BTs are basically made of chiralium, this pretty much means that the more BTs you have, the more BTs you'll get. I think this is why Amelie insists that the 6th Extinction is inevitable - at some point another EE will be born, and the process of annihilation is already partway along and (as far as we know) irreversible.
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Spite posted:This isn't right. The game's timeline isn't coherent either. Sam and his Wife: In the interviews Bridget tells Sam's Wife everything and that causes her to suicide. Then Sam found them and hid them or just let them voidout etc.
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