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Spark That Bled posted:Then I guess I could just add you to my ignore list too. ...? Why do you think watching a marvel movie is social justice? What's your angle here that it upsets you to see people say it isn't? I'm genuinely curious.
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There’s already a union for the alt-right: the police union.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:...? Why do you think watching a marvel movie is social justice? What's your angle here that it upsets you to see people say it isn't? I'm genuinely curious. I dunno about them, but my opinion is that strongly being opposed to corporate media's sudden determination to be more "woke" gets kinda suspect when it sounds barely one step removed from "identity politics/'virtue signalling'" and alt right adjacent in some weird horseshoe theory way. Not that there isn't something to critique about it; I think Lindsay Ellis outlines a pretty good criticism of corporate wokeness as an example; and I think there is much to criticize but I also think there's much to applaud and that harping on certain critics for generally also reacting positively seems misplaced; like maybe some people can take to read "All history is the history of class struggle" a tad little less literally? Not all social progress is economic progress and vice versa. Like if someone's view of Black Panther is that like, the African American community shouldn't feel happy about it because it's made by a scary media conglomerate like I just don't know what to say, stop being the stop having fun guy? I dunno.
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Spark That Bled posted:Then I guess I could just add you to my ignore list too. I think marvel movies are trash so save me a spot on the ignore list tyvm
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Raenir Salazar posted:I dunno about them, but my opinion is that strongly being opposed to corporate media's sudden determination to be more "woke" gets kinda suspect when it sounds barely one step removed from "identity politics/'virtue signalling'" and alt right adjacent in some weird horseshoe theory way. The thing that bothers me about the red letter media version of that critique is that it’s never paired with interest in or support of media that genuinely challenge white supremacy, so even though the critique is valid it essentially reinforces the thing it’s ostensibly coming out against. When all you’re doing is calling out rainbow capitalism on one hand while treating white man poo poo as normal and universal on the other, you ain’t challenging poo poo. It’s also very possible to acknowledge the ways in which something has cultural value while also pointing out what’s bad or dangerous about it. In fact, you might say that a mature approach to reality requires it.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The thing that bothers me about the red letter media version of that critique is that it’s never paired with interest in or support of media that genuinely challenge white supremacy, so even though the critique is valid it essentially reinforces the thing it’s ostensibly coming out against. When all you’re doing is calling out rainbow capitalism on one hand while treating white man poo poo as normal and universal on the other, you ain’t challenging poo poo. Exactly. Additionally it's annoying that any excitement for the next instalment in any big franchise gets responded to with the "consume new product" thing, like it's not original, it's version 2.0 of "Stop having fun guys" and has lost any and all relevance or meaningful critique. But that's a personal annoyance which is peanuts in comparison to how it just exists to tear down whatever feeling of acknowledgement marginalized peoples feel from such media.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:...? Why do you think watching a marvel movie is social justice? What's your angle here that it upsets you to see people say it isn't? I'm genuinely curious. It's not so much that I think that enjoying Marvel is social justice. I just don't think it helps the cause to sneer at people who are happy to see superheroes who are people of colour, or women heroes who get starring roles, because they feel like they're being seen in a way they weren't before.
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Spark That Bled posted:It's not so much that I think that enjoying Marvel is social justice. I just don't think it helps the cause to sneer at people who are happy to see superheroes who are people of colour, or women heroes who get starring roles, because they feel like they're being seen in a way they weren't before. Good thing nobody was doing that
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Spark That Bled posted:It's not so much that I think that enjoying Marvel is social justice. I just don't think it helps the cause to sneer at people who are happy to see superheroes who are people of colour, or women heroes who get starring roles, because they feel like they're being seen in a way they weren't before. i pointedly said that this is fine before but calling these movies Important or Disney brave or calling black panther the most culturally significant movie in history is stupidly naive and lets corporations off easy
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Saagonsa posted:Good thing nobody was doing that oh hey sup
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ArfJason posted:oh hey sup Hey arf
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also a good reason to not let marvel/whoever coast on 'WE PUT A BLACK ONE IN WE WIN' is with the Scorsese Discourse, where Marvel literally, while funneling money to a board full of Trump megadonors and poo poo, tried to smuggo about 'well, I guess mr Scorsese thinks BLACK PANTHER WASN'T IMPORTANT???' when A) regardless of your take on his views it's absurd to say Scorsese, who's massively involved in the world cinema project, doesn't value minority voices in the arts, and B) it just reveals how DEEPLY cynically these companies look at their 'woke' products. Black Panther is a shield, you have to make one Minority Movie for every five 'white action man kicks bad people to death' ones to maintain your 'uh how can you say we don't care, we did one????' protection.
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Saagonsa posted:Good thing nobody was doing that Maybe you have the posters doing the sneering on ignore. e: ArfJason posted:i pointedly said that this is fine before but calling these movies Important or Disney brave or calling black panther the most culturally significant movie in history is stupidly naive and lets corporations off easy Similarly to what Saagonsa was saying, has anyone in this thread called Disney brave or Black Panther the most culturally significant vs being culturally significant?
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# ? Nov 23, 2019 19:58 |
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I think it's weird to praise Disney at all for stuff like BP/Captain Marvel when what it really means is that they took over a decade to branch outside of white guy comic heroes then backpatting themselves for "overcoming" their own corporate biases rather than anything else.
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Motto posted:I think it's weird to praise Disney at all for stuff like BP/Captain Marvel when what it really means is that they took over a decade to branch outside of white guy comic heroes then backpatting themselves for "overcoming" their own corporate biases rather than anything else. One thing that's funny is that Scorcese just came out with yet another one of his movies with protagonists fueled by toxic masculinity, and barely any black people, or women in significant roles, so I'm not sure what exactly he's bringing to that part of the table that Marvel isn't.
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# ? Nov 23, 2019 20:17 |
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The Irishman is a movie about how labor, politics and crime intersect in America not toxic masculinity. Lots of people like to talk about movies, but not watch them.
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Andrast posted:Literally every worker should be in an union As much as I like that idea, I think the problem is that, if not executed properly, it could potentially have some disastrous results for the economy. I'm not against it, and I admit I don't have in-depth knowledge about it, but some of the things I've heard gives me some concern.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:One thing that's funny is that Scorcese just came out with yet another one of his movies with protagonists fueled by toxic masculinity, and barely any black people, or women in significant roles, so I'm not sure what exactly he's bringing to that part of the table that Marvel isn't. The loving World Cinema Project, for one. Max Wilco posted:As much as I like that idea, I think the problem is that, if not executed properly, it could potentially have some disastrous results for the economy. I'm not against it, and I admit I don't have in-depth knowledge about it, but some of the things I've heard gives me some concern. Lmao, let me give you a hint as to why you're hearing these things: economists are astrology for rich people, completely divorced from any meaningful economic reality, and are tolerated solely to be an authoritative voice saying things the rich already agree with. The labor movement literally led to one of the most prosperous periods in american history, and the idea that trying to replicate it is somehow bad for the nebulous economy is full on scare mongering to keep those temporarily embarrassed millionaires from acting in their own interests. Babysitter Super Sleuth fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Max Wilco posted:As much as I like that idea, I think the problem is that, if not executed properly, it could potentially have some disastrous results for the economy. I'm not against it, and I admit I don't have in-depth knowledge about it, but some of the things I've heard gives me some concern. Unions aren't some disastrous cancer that makes things more expensive; if it does then your industry was probably super hosed up and has its own opportunity costs. Like maybe if the video game industry was unionized and we stopped getting all of these live service flops the world would be a better place because maybe the company realizes they can't have their development costs subsidized by overworking their workers and instead have to budget their time more intelligently or just fail entirely. Additionally a society with like 90% union participation probably also has a stronger social safety net, so bad businesses can fail without it hurting people.
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# ? Nov 23, 2019 20:34 |
The only bad union is the police union and that’s because the police is just the loving worst in every way and not really a problem with the union itself
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Absurd Alhazred posted:One thing that's funny is that Scorcese just came out with yet another one of his movies with protagonists fueled by toxic masculinity, and barely any black people, or women in significant roles, so I'm not sure what exactly he's bringing to that part of the table that Marvel isn't. have you...seen The Irishman? Do you think these movies he makes are meant to be saying those are good worlds?
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watho posted:The only bad union is the police union and that’s because the police is just the loving worst in every way and not really a problem with the union itself nah business unions can be real bad. management running the union makes it utterly toothless as it acts in the company's interests and not the workers, like HR does.
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Saagonsa posted:Good thing nobody was doing that Endorph posted:anyone who thinks marvel movies are making any meaningful societal progress is a piece of poo poo watho posted:This but unironically watho posted:If you’ve enjoyed a single mcu movie I’m gonna assume you’re essentially a nazi tbh Funny how I can just go back in the thread and pull these up, isn't it?
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True but again business loving sucks as well
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Spark That Bled posted:Funny how I can just go back in the thread and pull these up, isn't it? I see you are continuing your struggle with reading comprehension
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Andrast posted:I see you are continuing your struggle with reading comprehension What, you're saying that I'm reading the guy calling people who enjoy MCU movies nazis wrong?
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Spark That Bled posted:What, you're saying that I'm reading the guy calling people who enjoy MCU movies nazis wrong? lmao you actually thought that was a serious post Good loving lord
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Andrast posted:lmao you actually thought that was a serious post So now you're hiding behind the "it's all just a joke" defence now?
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Spark That Bled posted:So now you're hiding behind the "it's all just a joke" defence now? oh my god
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What is a joke, I've never heard this term before
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:The loving World Cinema Project, for one. Ooh, hey that's cool, surprised Buñuel's on their list. sexpig by night posted:have you...seen The Irishman? Do you think these movies he makes are meant to be saying those are good worlds? No, Goodfellas doesn't seem to be saying good things about mob life, either, but it still suffers from the same problems.
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I'm powering up right now, screaming while the air crackles around me, and I am for real going to do a real kamehameha on you, obliterating you instantly
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Crocoswine posted:I'm powering up right now, screaming while the air crackles around me, and I am for real going to do a real kamehameha on you, obliterating you instantly I see we have now escalated to murder threats!
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Spark That Bled posted:So now you're hiding behind the "it's all just a joke" defence now? Holy poo poo. E: "Do you really expect me to believe that this post saying everybody who like Marvel movies is a literal Nazi was a, what did you call it, 'joake?' A likely story!"
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# ? Nov 23, 2019 21:02 |
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I want to clarify that I am shooting the kamehameha at spark that bled, not AA
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I know sarcasm is hard to read in text form, but come on.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:No, Goodfellas doesn't seem to be saying good things about mob life, either, but it still suffers from the same problems. Perhaps the largest media corporation on earth has more responsibility than an individual director.
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# ? Nov 23, 2019 21:05 |
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I'm going to stand outside the next marvel movie premiere with a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire (much like Marvel hero Harley Quinn) and just beat anyone I find coming out of it happy to death.
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sexpig by night posted:I'm going to stand outside the next marvel movie premiere with a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire (much like Marvel hero Harley Quinn) and just beat anyone I find coming out of it happy to death. Wow, very serious terrorist threat here, mods?
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all MCU watchers are stinky gnomes who track dirt into farmers' homes with their bare feet
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