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Spark That Bled posted:So now you're hiding behind the "it's all just a joke" defence now? Joking about a million people is a tragedy, joking about a single person is a statistic. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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One last thing: going through Scorsese's filmography on Wikipedia, it seems there's only two films where a woman could be the central character, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore and Boxcar Bertha. And maybe just one, Kundun, has a non-white main character.
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Crocoswine posted:I want to clarify that I am shooting the kamehameha at spark that bled, not AA Eh, I've probably earned a few kamehamehas and hadokens. Motto posted:Perhaps the largest media corporation on earth has more responsibility than an individual director. Plucky little Martin.
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I don't even know who Scorsese is, made a movie about some italian guy's relative?
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If you have ever enjoyed a crumb of MCU then you will be escorted to your local pain sphere to be administered a lv. 6 nerve stapling
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Spark That Bled posted:Funny how I can just go back in the thread and pull these up, isn't it? ? Other than the obvious joke about nazis the only other post there is saying its bad to think marvel movies are creating social change...what's that got to do with just liking the movies?
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Ibram Gaunt posted:? Other than the obvious joke about nazis the only other post there is saying its bad to think marvel movies are creating social change...what's that got to do with just liking the movies? Actually the quote was " making any meaningful societal progress " which *is* true; because the media we consume is a reflection of our pre-existing social context; and movies presenting social progress means that there has been social progress. Maybe they aren't say "creating" in the "trailblazing" sense of the word, but they are important touchstones and are reflective of progress. e: Although I think Black Panther probably *is* in the trailblazing sense of "creating" or at least it is not my place to claim it isn't. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Ibram Gaunt posted:? Other than the obvious joke about nazis the only other post there is saying its bad to think marvel movies are creating social change...what's that got to do with just liking the movies? It's placing judgement on somebody for not paying appropriate deference to whoever they've deified as a film-maker. Scorsese and his work not beyond criticism, and neither are you.
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Spark That Bled posted:It's placing judgement on somebody for not paying appropriate deference to whoever they've deified as a film-maker. Scorsese and his work not beyond criticism, and neither are you. I think it's ok to enjoy marvel movies. I just dont think it's ok to say captain marvel did anything meaningful for actual female empowerment...just my 2 cents.
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Spark That Bled posted:It's placing judgement on somebody for not paying appropriate deference to whoever they've deified as a film-maker. Scorsese and his work not beyond criticism, and neither are you. what does Scorsese have to do with marvel movies not creating social progress?
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Spark That Bled posted:One last thing: going through Scorsese's filmography on Wikipedia, it seems there's only two films where a woman could be the central character, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore and Boxcar Bertha. And maybe just one, Kundun, has a non-white main character. I don't know if this was supposed to be an own on Martin Scorsese (who actually has a varied body of work that goes well beyond the 'gangster' movie stereotype that gets thrown around about him) but you realize that by this metric he's actually about tied with the MCU for diverse leads? Actually two movies starring women as the central characters would put him a little ahead.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I think it's ok to enjoy marvel movies. I just dont think it's ok to say captain marvel did anything meaningful for actual female empowerment...just my 2 cents. Okay but this isn't reasonable or normal though. Like, sure, disagree as to what degree of meaning it has, but clearly it is in fact meaningful, or at least is meaningful to a lot of people, especially women. I keep remember that scene near the end where the guy is like "Fight me man to man!" and she blasts him because gently caress that poo poo and that is meaningful social commentary.
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incredibly powerful aids fields emanating from the thread at this moment. trapped between two trenches one holds the residue from fukushima cleanup which has taken human form and it thinks my saying that im going to drown him in tidal semen waves the impact of which are gonna dislocate his cervical vertebrae is legally actionable death threats and on the other side a collection of twitter screenshots tells me in deafening chorus that the movies where the hosed up protagonist with self destructive tendencies is framed as a role model of sorts instead of scathing criticism. i am massacred as my ammunition is a series of stupefied reactions and i've run out of every permutation of dumbstruck eyebrow eye and mouth positions. the thread then continues to talk for 50 pages about star wars and what the trailer for the next avengers could mean in the context of the trump elections, and as i enter purgatory i cleave my own dick and balls off and begin a path of nomadic asceticism.
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Flying Zamboni posted:I don't know if this was supposed to be an own on Martin Scorsese (who actually has a varied body of work that goes well beyond the 'gangster' movie stereotype that gets thrown around about him) but you realize that by this metric he's actually about tied with the MCU for diverse leads? Actually two movies starring women as the central characters would put him a little ahead. But the MCU's making more movies, and they can make more movies with diverse leads because of the source material. There's apparently a Shang-Chi movie coming out, alongside Black Widow and Black Panther 2, so that'll drive their side ahead.
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oh my loving god shut the gently caress up you dorks Clint shows off a Chinese Crocodile Lizard OSW Review recaps Survivor Series 1993 Brian and Kyle check out Mount Hideaway Mysteries rudecyrus fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Spark That Bled posted:But the MCU's making more movies, and they can make more movies with diverse leads because of the source material. There's apparently a Shang-Chi movie coming out, alongside Black Widow and Black Panther 2, so that'll drive their side ahead. Lets be fair here and agree that the amount of movies isn't really the most important metric; and that merely having female leads doesn't make a work feminist and that there's a more hollistic approach that can be taken here. Scorcese generally makes good points about corporate cinema drowning out stuff he likes; made a dumb comment about a genre he doesn't like, but the latter doesn't really have anything to do with the former good points.
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Alaois posted:ah, Yewchewb Holy moly a video, in the thread I check for videos. The Stand TV miniseries reference in the first 30s, this is my day.
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The MCU has made as many movies since 2008 as Scorsese has made since Mean Streets, you would think more of them would be about something other than blandly attractive white men and their evil brothers or fathers
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I Before E posted:The MCU has made as many movies since 2008 as Scorsese has made since Mean Streets, you would think more of them would be about something other than blandly attractive white men and their evil brothers or fathers Um, have you forgotten their brave move by creating their first openly gay character in the 23rd movie: unnamed grieving man.
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Interrupting the latest slap fight... Cat's foot! Iron claw! JoJo fans screamed for more! https://youtu.be/tEDhWT2hmr8 SuperEyepatchWolf's video on why you should watch Golden Wind is out! Really good video that really focuses on what makes this such a good adaptation, especially how the animation actually fixes a lot of the problems with the Manga. Personally I think it's probably my 2nd favourite series of the animé, after part four of course. It's hugely strong, but sadly hamstrung by the weakest antagonist in JoJo. Diavolo suffers for coming right after Kira Yoshikage, the best villian in animé, but he also fails to have any charisma or presence, or even generate any particular heat with the cast. SEPW doesn't touch on this weakness, which is a shame as it's an interesting subject, but if you were at all on the fence about Golden Wind this video is definitely going to get you to watch it.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:One thing that's funny is that Scorcese just came out with yet another one of his movies with protagonists fueled by toxic masculinity, and barely any black people, or women in significant roles, so I'm not sure what exactly he's bringing to that part of the table that Marvel isn't. From the Wikipedia article on Kundun, a film Scorsese directed in 1997 about the Dalai Lama that was also very critical of the Chinese government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundun posted:Even before the film was released, China's leaders hotly objected to Disney's plans to distribute the film, even to the point of threatening Disney's future access to China as a market.[6] Disney's steadfastness stood in stark contrast to Universal Pictures, which had earlier "turned down the chance to distribute Kundun for fear of upsetting the Chinese."[6] Scorsese, Mathison, and several other members of the production were banned by the Chinese government from ever entering China as a result of making the film.[7][8] China retaliated by banning Disney films and pulling Disney television cartoons.[9] Disney apologized in 1998 for releasing the film and began to "undo the damage", eventually leading to a deal to open Shanghai Disneyland by 2016.[10] Raenir Salazar posted:Unions aren't some disastrous cancer that makes things more expensive; if it does then your industry was probably super hosed up and has its own opportunity costs. That was sort of what I was told (not by an economist or anyone like that, but a relative): that one of the results of unionization is that it results in products being more expensive. Video games was what I was going to bring up, and my thought is that while unionization would eliminate crunch time and those kind of practices, it would drive the costs of games up further. With video games costing as much as they do now, I figured that would be disastrous in the long run, since other people (who might not be union) wouldn't be able to afford that increase in price, and games would stop selling as much. I guess that's not the case, but if it were, then I think the solution would be to make so that all workers could unionize (as suggested). The problem is that I don't know how that kind of thing would be implemented. Based on the little I know, unions are independent, and not strictly tied to a company or bound by any kind of legislation. If there was a law put into effect where unionization was required, how would that be overseen and enforced? Again, I'm not opposed to the idea, and I admit I'm not smart enough to comprehend everything involved in the matter, but what I do understand of it gives me concern about how it would be enacted, and I don't want to end up where it's ineffective or exploitable so that we end up in the same boat or worse. Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Spark That Bled posted:But the MCU's making more movies, and they can make more movies with diverse leads because of the source material. There's apparently a Shang-Chi movie coming out, alongside Black Widow and Black Panther 2, so that'll drive their side ahead. so now it's hypothetical movies are actually social change, you don't even have to make a movie now, just say you will later and it's basically the same as activism? Also, again, Marvel's board is full of Trump donors and literal military contractors. I love comic books but Marvel would 100% side with Hydra without a second thought right now.
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Acute Grill posted:Um, have you forgotten their brave move by creating their first openly gay character in the 23rd movie: unnamed grieving man. There's already Valkyrie and Grandmaster, but one is only confirmed by her actress outside of the movie and the other is implied text,
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Spark That Bled posted:There's already Valkyrie and Grandmaster, but one is only confirmed by her actress outside of the movie and the other is implied text, lmao, they're even braver than I thought.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Okay but this isn't reasonable or normal though. Like, sure, disagree as to what degree of meaning it has, but clearly it is in fact meaningful, or at least is meaningful to a lot of people, especially women. I keep remember that scene near the end where the guy is like "Fight me man to man!" and she blasts him because gently caress that poo poo and that is meaningful social commentary. That sort of exchange is one of the oldest cliches in the book for this sort of thing. How is it meaningful social commentary?
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Acute Grill posted:lmao, they're even braver than I thought. Just do a little bit of research next time? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Spark That Bled posted:There's already Valkyrie and Grandmaster, but one is only confirmed by her actress outside of the movie and the other is implied text, Wow, gay representation on par with media from the 90s. Amazing, so revolutionary
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Spark That Bled posted:Just do a little bit of research next time? I mean if you are some shitposter trolling the dumbest thread in SA congrats you did an excellent job making all us nerds real mad
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Saagonsa posted:Wow, gay representation on par with media from the 90s. Amazing, so revolutionary It's still yards better than what Acute Grill said, isn't it?
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Spark That Bled posted:Just do a little bit of research next time? Please stop posting.
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Spark That Bled posted:It's still yards better than what Acute Grill said, isn't it? It's actually not.
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Spark That Bled posted:It's still yards better than what Acute Grill said, isn't it? No, it is nothing. It is stuff that they literally did not put in the movie.
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Videogames and all products cost exactly the maximum the company thinks it can get away with. If workers get higher wages it doesn't automatically mean products get more expensive because in between the cost of production and the sale price you have massive profits.
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Spark That Bled posted:It's still yards better than what Acute Grill said, isn't it? No, it actually really isn't. Gay people only being allowed to exist as subtext or an afterthought has been an extremely longstanding criticism of gay representation in media. They don't really have any excuse and deserve no praise for that poo poo.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:That sort of exchange is one of the oldest cliches in the book for this sort of thing. How is it meaningful social commentary? Not really, usually the trope would have her fight him without powers and win via "skill", i.e the skill the Man was trying to impart on her, "earning her place in a man's world" rather than just rejecting it outright, by using all of her advantages to their fullest. The historical context to this trope is poison. "A woman's weapon", or Spycraft (Wu Zetian), or political skill and authority (Theodora); these are all portrayed extremely negatively to the point you need to read between the lines and past the contemporary (male) commentary to figure out the full picture. That scene is the equivalent of "Yeah I have sword skills but I still poisoned your breakfast this morning just to be sure." Because "gently caress winning on his terms, I'll win overwhelmingly and decisively on mine". I honestly can't really think of any piece of media that rejects the patriarchal framing of the typical female heroine character arc.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Okay but this isn't reasonable or normal though. Like, sure, disagree as to what degree of meaning it has, but clearly it is in fact meaningful, or at least is meaningful to a lot of people, especially women. I keep remember that scene near the end where the guy is like "Fight me man to man!" and she blasts him because gently caress that poo poo and that is meaningful social commentary. Dang, finally Marvel has produced something on par with the corniest line in Return of the King.
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Max Wilco posted:That was sort of what I was told (not by an economist or anyone like that, but a relative): that one of the results of unionization is that it results in products being more expensive. Video games was what I was going to bring up, and my thought is that while unionization would eliminate crunch time and those kind of practices, it would drive the costs of games up further. With video games costing as much as they do now, I figured that would be disastrous in the long run, since other people (who might not be union) wouldn't be able to afford that increase in price, and games would stop selling as much. That point aside, I think you're mostly right that it would make the production overall more expensive. In practice this isn't going to make the final product more expensive, since that price point is quite important for keeping sales up. So instead of raising prices, AAA games would probably have less labour put into them. That sounds like it would result in worse games, but in modern times that extra effort has just been going into doing stupid crap like ultra high graphics and modeling horse testicles. I think games would probably be overall improved but removing that cruft. For other products, overall yes, prices would be slightly higher especially where labour is the major cost if the unions are effective at improving wages. The thing to bear in mind is that improved wages would more than compensate for this. Inflation would be running at a slightly higher rate, but we would all in general be better off. If there is an industry would actually be brought down by fair wages and safe conditions, then frankly that is an industry that should not exist.
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Saagonsa posted:No, it actually really isn't. Gay people only being allowed to exist as subtext or an afterthought has been an extremely longstanding criticism of gay representation in media. They don't really have any excuse and deserve no praise for that poo poo. It's all I got. At least it isn't "unnamed grieving man", or whatever.
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