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Hyrax Attack! posted:Reread Red Storm Rising against my better judgment. Red Army by Ralph Peters is...passable, however it has issues. There is also Harold Coyle's Team Yankee from the opposite side. Team Yankee also had a limited comic series re-written by David Drake. If you want to go punk, you can try John Shirley's A Song called Youth trilogy which is WWIII, plus Cyber-punkish.
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Dean Ing's insane Quantrill series had a communist China invading the western seaboard of the US, not communist Russia, and the way China invaded the western seaboard of America was unique-ish. Waves of stealth midget-submarines....full of commandos...stealth midget-submarines that were powered by/used matter transmutation machines.
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Nov 22, 2019 07:27
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im going to write one of these where our plucky all american heros overthrow the government but instead of the scene where people go 'sharing the load?? Isnt that communism?!' they laugh and have the anti socialist soap box character sentenced to labor for reactionary thought
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I think it came up a while back but Red Army is very  with the parts like a Soviet paratrooper heroically murdering some POWs and then changing into civilian clothes to escape, and how the Americans never loose while everybody else gets blasted but are stabbed in the back by their politicians who also stab Germany in the back.The author is also a neocon idiot who vocally supported the Iraq war.
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I recently re-read Dread Empire's Fall for the first time in a few years and it was somehow both better and worse than I remembered, but in light of this thread's title I just want to give a shoutout to the, apparently intended to be sympathetic, line "Her first job aboard Dauntless was to enslave the civilian workers."
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Uncle Lloyd posted:I recently re-read Dread Empire's Fall for the first time in a few years and it was somehow both better and worse than I remembered, but in light of this thread's title I just want to give a shoutout to the, apparently intended to be sympathetic, line "Her first job aboard Dauntless was to enslave the civilian workers." A difficult but always rewarding job.
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Nov 24, 2019 04:28
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It's been a long time since I read those, on the recommendation of a friend, but I remember the constant "My Lady", "My Lord" making me lust for main character deaths
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Nov 24, 2019 09:53
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Is there any good WWIII fiction? I think the best I’ve seen was World in Conflict, as the Russian master plan included invading Seattle and blowing up the Kingdome, and sending Spetsnaz to seize the Statue of Liberty. Dammit I wish that had been a trilogy. Chieftains might be worth a look. Warning : ending is very British
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Nov 25, 2019 20:59
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Are there any submarine/scifi equivalent books that are both fun, and not beset by weird political crap? Almost every recommendation I'm finding on Amazon/Goodreads reads like "The <country or ethnicity> has an <unstoppable thing>, enter Admiral Richard Steele and his unstoppable Murder Boat, ten million tons of steel and fire laser-targetted on obliterating <country or ethnicity>," and, like, if tom clancy was too much for me, I'm not going to get through any of these.
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Nov 26, 2019 07:28
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Omi no Kami posted:Are there any submarine/scifi equivalent books that are both fun, and not beset by weird political crap? Almost every recommendation I'm finding on Amazon/Goodreads reads like "The <country or ethnicity> has an <unstoppable thing>, enter Admiral Richard Steele and his unstoppable Murder Boat, ten million tons of steel and fire laser-targetted on obliterating <country or ethnicity>," and, like, if tom clancy was too much for me, I'm not going to get through any of these. definetly read ringo's space submarine book. no way would I lead you wrong. (its complete trash)
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Nov 26, 2019 08:45
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The one where they enter the anime zone?
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Omi no Kami posted:Are there any submarine/scifi equivalent books that are both fun, and not beset by weird political crap? Almost every recommendation I'm finding on Amazon/Goodreads reads like "The <country or ethnicity> has an <unstoppable thing>, enter Admiral Richard Steele and his unstoppable Murder Boat, ten million tons of steel and fire laser-targetted on obliterating <country or ethnicity>," and, like, if tom clancy was too much for me, I'm not going to get through any of these. Good: glenn cook's Starfishers series is solid and has submarine-influenced space battles Bad but Fun: paul honsinger's Man of War series is schlocky self-published Mil-SF that is ~*~relatively apolitical (by standards of self-published Mil-SF) and also has submarine-influenced space battles
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90s Cringe Rock posted:The one where they enter the anime zone? yep
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It's not a submarine but Firelance by David Mace. 
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PupsOfWar posted:Good: Oh cool, thanks! Larry Parrish posted:definetly read ringo's space submarine book. no way would I lead you wrong. Okay, so I'm morbidly curious about John Ringo: I had almost the exact same experience that the Oh John Ringo No guy had, where I read the second book first in the... I forget what it's called, but the real bad series, the one with whoreverine. Anywhoo I read that and was like "Man drinking beer, building buildings, and shooting guns is okay, eastern european vikings are neat, the weird sexism/yay America stuff is kinda offputting but whatever," then I went back and read the first book and just stood with my jaw agape, horrified at what was transpiring on paper. Anywhoo, that's all the John Ringo I've ever read. People (including him) claim those are the worst books he ever wrote, am I missing anything by giving the rest of his stuff a wide berth? Omi no Kami fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 09:28
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Don't read John Ringo. Just read straight Kratman instead.
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Don't read John Ringo or Kratman. Just read straight Ing instead.
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i dont know about his tom clancy rape books because those are the ones I didnt read but as far as his other 30ish books go, they're honestly identical. if you read one you have literally read them all. they all have an identical tone and pacing and length, the only difference is the setting. and it will nearly always feature a hot blonde teenager for some reason. do not repeat my mistakes and read ringo
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Do not read Kratman either. My previous post on the subject was false. Not even the orgasming SS tank story or the one with space blimp 9/11.
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Omi no Kami posted:Are there any submarine/scifi equivalent books that are both fun, and not beset by weird political crap? Almost every recommendation I'm finding on Amazon/Goodreads reads like "The <country or ethnicity> has an <unstoppable thing>, enter Admiral Richard Steele and his unstoppable Murder Boat, ten million tons of steel and fire laser-targetted on obliterating <country or ethnicity>," and, like, if tom clancy was too much for me, I'm not going to get through any of these. You should be reading Passage at Arms by Glen Cook. (The other Starfishers books are set in the same universe but basically completely unconnected.) Also, not SF, but if you want real-world submarine stories, Blind Man's Bluff was fun as hell.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Do not read Kratman either. My previous post on the subject was false. Not even the orgasming SS tank story or the one with space blimp 9/11. I thought it was an orgasming battleship.
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Telsa Cola posted:I thought it was an orgasming battleship. no it was a knock-off bolo, going through vr training in which it was an ss panther and orgasming every time it killed a filthy soviet t-34 also when its crew died it knew what it meant to be raped also i'm sorry for misgendering her, the tank was female, this was VERY IMPORTANT because there was one crazy failed tank ai that was trans (named after someone on a forum who laughed at kratman) edit: I do hate myself, yes. No, I did not give Kratman money.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:space blimp 9/11. a balloon full of helium impacting at 6 mph can't melt steel beams
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PupsOfWar posted:a balloon full of helium impacting at 6 mph can't melt steel beams
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90s Cringe Rock posted:no it was a knock-off bolo, going through vr training in which it was an ss panther and orgasming every time it killed a filthy soviet t-34 Which book had the orgasming battleship then. I distinctly remember that.
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Telsa Cola posted:Which book had the orgasming battleship then. I distinctly remember that.
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that was the Ringo Aldenata Panama spinoff. Also features born again christian aliens and an incredible amount of racism against central Americans (they just cant get anything done without the rich white aristocracy you see. its cultural)
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oh ok thank you
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90s Cringe Rock posted:no it was a knock-off bolo, going through vr training in which it was an ss panther and orgasming every time it killed a filthy soviet t-34 Athena from the Spacebattles forum, IIRC. Everyone laughed at him, but she had to temerity to do it while trans.
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Kratman used to be notorious for constantly Googling his own name and then appearing to defend his bismirched honour on forums after somebody mentioned how terrible one of his books was. I remember arguing with him on rpg.net before he got himself banned there, he went on some kind of weird rant about gay people that involved him also bringing up that he basically did not believe there were very many gay people, maybe like half a percent of the population, so there was no need to ever make accommodations for them. It just never struck his mind that no poo poo, gay people were probably not going to be completely open about things with him, a horrible homophobe who hangs out with right wing assholes.
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it's still funny because half a percent is a ton of people
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Larry Parrish posted:it's still funny because half a percent is a ton of people It was his answer to somebody comparing desegregation of the army when he tried to claim that allowing none heterosexual people into the military would lead to some inevitable End of Rome/Fantasy Collapsing European situation where all military discipline and competence would be eliminating by the influence of The Gays.
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I'm pretty sure the guy is schizophrenic at this point.
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Feeling really disappointed that chicken powered nuclear landmines deployed in the dead of winter at the fulda gap scenario from the non-fiction book Nuking the Moon: And Other Intelligence Schemes and Military Plots Left on the Drawing Board has never featured in a Tom Clancy book or other mil-fiction/mil-scifi series. The -25 celsius winters of eastern europe sapped the batteries of 1960s -1980s military tech fast. Hidden secret nuclear landmines needed power to keep their timing circuits/triggers/anti-tamper devices active and unfrozen in that kind of environment, the heat that chickens produce was considered to be cheaper than using the plutonium power packs that powered the Pioneer and Voyager deep space probes.
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Patrat posted:It was his answer to somebody comparing desegregation of the army when he tried to claim that allowing none heterosexual people into the military would lead to some inevitable End of Rome/Fantasy Collapsing European situation where all military discipline and competence would be eliminating by the influence of The Gays. the Roman miitary was at its most powerful under prominent gay Trajan though??? if anything the roman legions probably were a lot more homophobic in the latter decline/collapse period (many of the northern germanic tribes being, apparently, more homophobic than most other ancient peoples) than during the early period when they were good even ringo rarely veers into gays-are-sissies-who-can't-fight territory, despite being himself a homophobe its just a thing that is hard to believe if you know anything at all about historical troop poo poo PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Nov 30, 2019 |
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PupsOfWar posted:even ringo rarely veers into gays-are-sissies-who-can't-fight territory, despite being himself a homophobe You still owe this thread your promised "John Ringo: deep dive critique". Until that is produced, you have absolutely zero grounds to discuss John Ringo or Tom Kratman in this thread. Expecting a Bravest of the Lamps style manifesto after all the waiting, anything else would be a utter performance failure, which given the subject matter [John Ringo] and meta-textually BotL, would be extremely on-point. REST OF THREAD: Kratman seems like the kind of person who bases 100% of their identity as having served in the military. For them to ever resign their commission willingly would involve humiliations that mankind hasn't conceived of yet. Also, more people need to dig in their public library systems and read Dean Ing's stuff. Ing manages to out-technology fetish Tom Clancy (and Tom Clancy's ghostwriters). quantumfoam fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Somebody did mention Team Yankee earlier, which is notable for being a published novel that is essentially fan fiction for The Third World War: The Untold Story by Sir John Hackett. I am not sure I can recommend that as well written book but it is a novel on an 80s 3rd world war that could have been, written by a legitimate actual general who saw heavy fighting through world war 2 then commanded the NATO North Army Group into the late 60s Unlike Kratman, Hackett fought Nazis instead of aspiring to be one, so definitely less problematic there.
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For a quality post WW3 book, Resurrection Day is a treat. The premise is the US botches the Cuban Missile Crisis by invading and the end result is the Soviet Union being nuked into oblivion and the US taking serious damage. The dissolution of NATO prior to the exchange sees Europe taking the main role leading the world. Excellent read, especially as it isn’t at all an America saves the world tale.
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For alt-WWIII, I read a take on it called Line of Control: A Thriller on the Coming War in Asia written by an Indian guy about a hot war between India and Pakistan. It's interesting because it's very Clancy--esque (strong-jawed Indian tank officers seizing the moment with their tanks, etc) but from a point of view that's novel compared to the generic NATO-Russia/NATO-China setting. It also managed to be a book written by an Indian author about an Indian-Pakistani war that treated the Pakistanis relatively decently (from what I remember0. There's only one or two characters who are the traditional Snidely Whiplash villains.
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Omi no Kami posted:Are there any submarine/scifi equivalent books that are both fun, and not beset by weird political crap? Almost every recommendation I'm finding on Amazon/Goodreads reads like "The <country or ethnicity> has an <unstoppable thing>, enter Admiral Richard Steele and his unstoppable Murder Boat, ten million tons of steel and fire laser-targeted on obliterating <country or ethnicity>," and, like, if tom clancy was too much for me, I'm not going to get through any of these. It's been a long time since I read them, but I remember really enjoying James H. Cobb's Amanda Garret series. Though it doesn't take place on a sub so much as a "stealth" surface ship. I liked the main character (even if in the first book she and her XO accidentally hosed (well, they very intentionally hosed but neither knew the other would be in their chain of command). Of course, I've liked crap before. I remember liking and re-reading the poo poo with the weather guy from Red Storm Rising. Beyond that, I kind of enjoy Clive Cussler's Oregon Files series, which also involves a badass surface ship but has some sub stuff in it, too.
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