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Sab669 posted:What? 1/2 to 3/4 of the series he's trying to run away from any sort of responsibility. He's not "Ugh fine I'll do it", he's "Let's go in the opposite directio- OH GOD I DID A THING" It's, again, the difference between the POV internal narrative of these characters and what they actually do. For an entire readthrough, when you get to any Rand/Mat/Perrin POV, try to completely ignore their internal musing and parse for what's actually happening and what the other characters' reactions to them are. For Mat it's harder because before he (and everyone) accepts that he's going to be one of the great generals of the age and nothing will change that, he does try to avoid taking *overall* responsibility in a battle.
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Yeah I mean Rands reasoning is okay if a bit suspicious most of the time but to everyone around him hes just mumbling to himself, listening to a man in his head. Then he snaps to attention, looks at you and decides life or death, then goes back to mumbling. Lots of difference in his internal thoughts vs actions
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Yeah I mean Rands reasoning is okay if a bit suspicious most of the time but to everyone around him hes just mumbling to himself, listening to a man in his head. Then he snaps to attention, looks at you and decides life or death, then goes back to mumbling. Lots of difference in his internal thoughts vs actions Yeah, there's several times where he wonders why everyone is looking at him funny when he's been spending the last 20 minutes wandering around talking to himself. None of the 3 guys think they're acting odd or extraordinary when they do something but everyone else sees what's happening. It's the same thing when one of them says the other two know how to deal with women, and they all think the same thing.
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Nov 22, 2019 23:57
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Fair enough; actions speak louder than words and all that. I mostly just remember their words rather than actions from my singular read through 
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One of the other little dynamics I like is when Rand thinks about Mat or Perrin and he chastises himself for using them, but decides he has to anyway. Then Mat's doing his irresponsible schtick and Rand just plonks him in the way of something and lets ta'veren-ness and Mat's real nature take care of the rest. Rand actually cottons to Mat's new skills pretty early on after they come back from Rhuidean IIRC.
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Nov 23, 2019 00:06
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Yeah he sends Lan in right before the battle of Carhien to chat him up to figure out the extent.
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One thing I caught on this listenthrough that I don't remember noticing before was Olver "Setting a great store by his promises", i.e. he absorbed one of Mat's few redeeming qualities, not just the Horny Pervert stuff VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:It's, again, the difference between the POV internal narrative of these characters and what they actually do. For an entire readthrough, when you get to any Rand/Mat/Perrin POV, try to completely ignore their internal musing and parse for what's actually happening and what the other characters' reactions to them are. I think my favorite example of this is "slow, careful thinking is best" Perrin constantly realizing that he's shouting at people
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Brolander posted:Mat's few redeeming qualities MODS?!
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This besmirching of a man's good character will not stand.
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Mat Cauthon posted:This besmirching of a man's good character will not stand. 
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i mean like, by the standards of the people around him who aren't birgitte or the band or whatever. trust me i love mat like a good wheel of time fan
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Nov 23, 2019 01:04
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Horny I get, but pervert?
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Nov 23, 2019 01:09
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Uh yeah, he likes to "snuggle", disgusting
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Brolander posted:Uh yeah, he likes to "snuggle", disgusting I believe he also likes a bit of slap and tickle or something.
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Nynaeve's chapters are great for the same reason. She has pretty much every quality that she complains about in men, and is often demonstrating that quality at that exact moment.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:\ Son of a bitch
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:It's, again, the difference between the POV internal narrative of these characters and what they actually do. For an entire readthrough, when you get to any Rand/Mat/Perrin POV, try to completely ignore their internal musing and parse for what's actually happening and what the other characters' reactions to them are. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Egwene was a marketing gimmick that was glued on the product on a late stage. She was like a member in a boy band or an action figure line in that her only purpose was to move units. She worked well in that role though, because without her the series would have been more like a Boys' Own Adventure like the Lord of the Rings was. And the reason that she wasn't a Ta'Veren was because all the Ta'Veren boys had originally been part of the same main character in the original plot, while she didn't exist in it.
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VikingofRock posted:Nynaeve's chapters are great for the same reason. She has pretty much every quality that she complains about in men, and is often demonstrating that quality at that exact moment. When Elayne and Nynaeve send Birgitte to talk to Mat in Crown of Swords, where he finally recognizes her for who she is, Nynaeve thinks to herself something like "thank
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Torrannor posted:When Elayne and Nynaeve send Birgitte to talk to Mat in Crown of Swords, where he finally recognizes her for who she is, Nynaeve thinks to herself something like "thank Also Birgitte and Mat got drunk together.
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ChubbyChecker posted:Egwene was a marketing gimmick that was glued on the product on a late stage. She was like a member in a boy band or an action figure line in that her only purpose was to move units. She worked well in that role though, because without her the series would have been more like a Boys' Own Adventure like the Lord of the Rings was. And the reason that she wasn't a Ta'Veren was because all the Ta'Veren boys had originally been part of the same main character in the original plot, while she didn't exist in it. You put way too much stock into super early conceptions of the story from the 1980s.
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ChubbyChecker posted:Egwene was a marketing gimmick that was glued on the product on a late stage. She was like a member in a boy band or an action figure line in that her only purpose was to move units. She worked well in that role though, because without her the series would have been more like a Boys' Own Adventure like the Lord of the Rings was. And the reason that she wasn't a Ta'Veren was because all the Ta'Veren boys had originally been part of the same main character in the original plot, while she didn't exist in it. we need the original Jordan Edit from before those goddamned editors ruined it by adding women
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Also Birgitte and Mat got drunk together. Robert Jordan's The Waste of Time - Also Birgitte and Mat got drunk together. It really is the best summary of these books.
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Anias posted:Robert Jordan's The Waste of Time - Also Birgitte and Mat got drunk together. The thread's name is a superior one.
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I feel like Tormund would slot right into Team Matgitte Drunks
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ChubbyChecker posted:The thread's name is a superior one. For a thread title sure, but as a one sentence summary - "Mat and birgitte get drunk together" has everything you need to know.
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Anias posted:For a thread title sure, but as a one sentence summary - "Mat and birgitte get drunk together" has everything you need to know. Since Birgitte's presence in the physical world is a bit of a spoiler, I'd personally rather keep it out of the thread title. I'm fine with saying that people who haven't finished the series browse this thread at their own risk, but IMO just seeing the thread title shouldn't give anything away.
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VikingofRock posted:Since Birgitte's presence in the physical world is a bit of a spoiler, I'd personally rather keep it out of the thread title. I'm fine with saying that people who haven't finished the series browse this thread at their own risk, but IMO just seeing the thread title shouldn't give anything away. Rand kills Dumbledore.
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VikingofRock posted:Since Birgitte's presence in the physical world is a bit of a spoiler, I'd personally rather keep it out of the thread title. I'm fine with saying that people who haven't finished the series browse this thread at their own risk, but IMO just seeing the thread title shouldn't give anything away. This is a good point, and I agree, but what about people who have read just through book 2, and start thinking "Wait, Mat's the hornblower, does he get his hands on it again and summon the heroes of the ages just for a pub crawl?" It'd be great, but it'd also be a let-down when they get to the truth.
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I love Wheel of Time, and there's one scene in particular that just - it's such a payoff. When Nynaeve heals stilling and both Siuan and Nynaeve realise just what she did, and then the ramifications when the Forsaken hear of it and just, dismiss it entirely. It's such a good development and so well done For a character that I started off disliking as much as I did, Nynaeve ends up being my absolute favourite character by the end of the series alongside Min.
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tithin posted:I love Wheel of Time, and there's one scene in particular that just - it's such a payoff. I mean that scene is one of the ones in the series that still make me tear up so. fuckin Verin at the end does it every time though
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Or Nynaeve going from town to town in the Borderlands. That's the highest payoff in the whole series in my opinion. The Golden Crane flies for Tarmon Gai'don.
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Apparatchik Magnet posted:Just LOL if you aren’t a named contributor in an early version (say the first four or six books) rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan FAQ. I got some actual computer games out of posting on that newsgroup as a teen, a kind lady in the US had a husband who worked on the Delta Force games and sent me copies. Man, now I'm nostalgic.
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Osmosisch posted:Delta Force games
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So I must have missed this in my re-read: why does Tuon rename and demote Egeanin? Is it because Tuon found out that she helped some marath'damane (Elayne, Nynaeve, and Bethamin)? Or because Tuon is jealous that Egeanin is pretending to be Mat's lover? Or both, or something else?
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Nov 25, 2019 19:13
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She was working with Mat against the empire's return.
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She was also not being ms etiquette for the low blood my favorite Nynaeve moment was before dumping lan off in the borderlands she mentioned about how tired he must be (or something) from riding a horse for so long then being ridden.
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https://twitter.com/KWholesaler/status/1199384237352329216?s=19 There's even a good Sanderson burn further down, the thread has it all.
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Mat Cauthon posted:https://twitter.com/KWholesaler/status/1199384237352329216?s=19 Tugging myself with crossed arms here.
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