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redeyes posted:You can't just say something like that without a link. I remembered it wrong, it was a $300 power cable and a cat wrecked it. https://gizmodo.com/300-audiophile-grade-power-cable-is-really-worth-15-371536
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repiv posted:https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/ci%C3%BAnas-iso-dac-usb-dac-teardown-2.9809/ All 26 pages of the review thread linked in the OP there are great. https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/ci%C3%BAnas-dac-usb-dac-review.9788/ The manufacturer is something special.
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qirex posted:I remembered it wrong, it was a $300 power cable and a cat wrecked it. The first reply is a gem quote:@FightingChance: What you say about digital cables is TOTALLY true. It either works or it doesn't. Case in point... I bought a 50' HDMI cable for my front projection home theater. Paid about $80 at Fry's for it, for fifty feet. Works perfectly, and I'm sending 1080p over it from a PS3.
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The whole thing with digital cables not really mattering got slightly confused with 4K and generally needing "Premium Certified" HDMI cables for that, at least for lengths over 6 feet or so. Fortunately, they're not really any more expensive, and monoprice ones work great and cost about the same as any generic non-premium-certified cable. It's still that it either works or it doesn't, but you get a lot more "doesn't" with 4K. Digital sparkles, picture drops, and the like. As much as I like the ease of hdmi, it really needs a replacement with higher resolution a/v stuff.
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HDMI sucks and always has sucked. Literally the only cable I've ever owned that self-destructs over time to the point it completely loses contact and needs to be replaced. Twice! HDCP also helps make HDMI suck even more but good luck getting rid of that poo poo.
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HDCP has gotten a lot better. I don't think I've seen too many handshake problems recently. You do have to be careful with the cables for sure
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The problem with HDMI is they didn’t really bother to design for super common use cases like long runs for projectors or not wanting to upgrade your receiver. The good news is 48gbps is mostly irrelevant and the important bits of 2.1 like VRR and eARC already work. Nobody needs 120fps 8k at home and if they do they can pay some installer 5 figures to get it working.
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qirex posted:The problem with HDMI is they didn’t really bother to design for super common use cases like long runs for projectors or not wanting to upgrade your receiver. The good news is 48gbps is mostly irrelevant and the important bits of 2.1 like VRR and eARC already work. Nobody needs 120fps 8k at home and if they do they can pay some installer 5 figures to get it working. Someone hasn't met PC gamers
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iospace posted:Someone hasn't met PC gamers The jealousy flowing through my veins right now
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I've managed to get myself on someone's mailing list and a copy of the AudioAdvisor catalogue came through the door - just in time for Christmas! I think the highlight is the Black Mesh Oval 9 Speaker Cable, Nine-gauge high purity copper with patented hollow oval geometry, and the most realistic cable the conductor of the Beijing Symphony has ever heard. 6' for $561, seems like a bargain.
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It really is, I'd expect to pay that per foot!
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shortspecialbus posted:All 26 pages of the review thread linked in the OP there are great. These, and the TotalDAC review were great.
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Albinator posted:I've managed to get myself on someone's mailing list and a copy of the AudioAdvisor catalogue came through the door - just in time for Christmas! I think the highlight is the Black Mesh Oval 9 Speaker Cable, Nine-gauge high purity copper with patented hollow oval geometry, and the most realistic cable the conductor of the Beijing Symphony has ever heard. 6' for $561, seems like a bargain. hi-fi catalogs are always a good time imo
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I found out there's a huge HiFi store down the street from me. Is it against the rules to window shop to the poop?
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Wasabi the J posted:I found out there's a huge HiFi store down the street from me. Window shopping isn't touching, yeah? The hifi/car stereo store back home is not something that deserves to be in this thread, remarkably. My dad's been shopping there for ages, and I always turned my nose up at them until last winter when we needed a weird HDMI cable and they were our only option without driving 2+ hours to the next town over that might have a Best Buy. Turns out the owner knows my dad (high school teacher in a small town, he knows everyone), and went on a rant about one of his clients had been hosed over by an unscrupulous installer who sold him on snake oil cables and poo poo. You're alright, angry small town hifi dude. ...the shop is also decorated with a quantity of taxidermied elk heads that's impressive even for Montana.
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Wasabi the J posted:I found out there's a huge HiFi store down the street from me. Most of their speaker brands are fairly reasonable. I mean, Dynaudio and Monitor both follow good engineering principles, and while Sonus Faber isn’t the last word in accuracy, I have yet to meet a person who doesn’t love how they look. The real question is whether or not they push snake oil garbage on you. I get why every shop carries and sells high end cables and what not, because if someone wants it, you’d best have it. But most stores I’ve gone to haven’t bothered pushing it once I’ve indicated that I don’t buy into the cables thing.
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Yeah thats a pretty good way to separate wheat from chaff; you have stores that don't sell overpriced cables at all, you have stores that will sell them to you but not push them, and you have stores that will push them and make outlandish claims about their performance.
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Wasabi the J posted:I found out there's a huge HiFi store down the street from me. They sell audioquest cables. You know, of the 1k HDMI cable fame. Admittedly it's more reasonable in terms of pricing but still.
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iospace posted:They sell audioquest cables. I'm so glad I went to the department store with my dad when he got his first HDTV. They tried to sell him Audioquest cables, and I asked the sales rep to demo the difference between a cheap cable and an expensive one, while explaining to my dad how digital signals work. It was beautiful watching the rep get progressively sweatier as I went into detail on how analog signals need certain transmission characteristics, but if your stream of 1s and 0s gets interrupted, you just get glitches and drop-outs. Eventually he gave up on trying to hook up the test unit to do a demo and we moved on. Dad ended up spending $12 on an HDMI cable that he's still using today.
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I explain digital transmission as being in one of 3 states: 1. Full signal 2. Garbage signal 3. No signal The level of cable that provides #1 is far lower than people making/selling cables want people to know. And anything other than #1 is unacceptable, so the idea of using a cable that doesn't provide #1 is stupid.
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Glad you included option 2. Far too many people say digital is only 1 or 3 but lots of digital protocols can run degraded silently or where many people don't look like logs. So your SATA 666gbps link might run at SATA 1 speeds if your cable sucks and you aren't benching or being a nerd.
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iospace posted:They sell audioquest cables. I accidentally ended up in a mini seminar with the audioquest designer at RMAF. I made it less than 5 minutes before I walked out. Also, it’s sad that a 1k HDMI cable barely raises an eyebrow for me anymore. Compared to Nordost and others, that’s nothing.
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I saw a post on AVS where some guy auditioned the 80k MIT articulation control console speaker cables and to my surprise he said "I didn't hear anything different" 
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:It was beautiful watching the rep get progressively sweatier as I went into detail on how analog signals need certain transmission characteristics, but if your stream of 1s and 0s gets interrupted, you just get glitches and drop-outs. You can also use that as a foundation to explain why it doesn’t make sense to buy expensive audiophile analog cables either. A HDMI 2.0 cable has three digital signal pairs running at up to 6 gigabits per second each. That means each pair is required to have at least 6 GHz of analog bandwidth. When you can buy a rocket ship 6 GHz cable for $20 and everyone involved (retailer, supply chain, manufacturer) makes plenty of profit, why’s a humble rowboat of a 20kHz analog interconnect cable gotta cost $1K or more? taqueso posted:Glad you included option 2. Far too many people say digital is only 1 or 3 but lots of digital protocols can run degraded silently or where many people don't look like logs. So your SATA 666gbps link might run at SATA 1 speeds if your cable sucks and you aren't benching or being a nerd. This is generally true for link types that are mission critical (the correct data must get through) and also forgiving of delayed delivery. SATA and PCIe both have retry features, for example: the receiver of a data packet calculates the payload checksum and compares it against the checksum sent by the sender, and if they mismatch, the receiver asks for a retry. They may also be able to renegotiate link speeds, eg PCIe Gen4 links (16 GT/s) can fall back all the way to Gen1 speed (2.5 GT/s) and/or drop down to fewer lanes to keep communications alive. For protocols like HDMI, the data is time sensitive (the next frame must always be transmitted in 1/60th of a second if the refresh rate is 60Hz), and the system doesn’t crash if something goes wrong in one frame. So the receiver just lives with bad data when it happens. If there are data integrity features, they’re just used to detect problems rather than trying super hard to get the correct data through.
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taqueso posted:Glad you included option 2. Far too many people say digital is only 1 or 3 but lots of digital protocols can run degraded silently or where many people don't look like logs. So your SATA 666gbps link might run at SATA 1 speeds if your cable sucks and you aren't benching or being a nerd. This is true but the important thing to note is that a garbage signal doesn’t reduce quality the way that audiophools think it does.
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Has anyone gone with the chemical resistant insulation angle yet? It keeps out acids, pollution, ley line radiations, kids fingerprints, if you want a clean signal you have to have it. Did you know that carbon dioxide can pass through ordinary rubber?! And you thought your wires were "protected".
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taqueso posted:Has anyone gone with the chemical resistant insulation angle yet? It keeps out acids, pollution, ley line radiations, kids fingerprints, if you want a clean signal you have to have it. Did you know that carbon dioxide can pass through ordinary rubber?! And you thought your wires were "protected". Not gonna lie, this would work. How else can you guarantee that he middle of your 99.9% pure copper cable won’t oxidize?
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polyester concept posted:This is true but the important thing to note is that a garbage signal doesn’t reduce quality the way that audiophools think it does. A garbage digital signal looks/sounds like garbage. But it's immediately noticeable. Anyone with poor TV reception will have noticed this as they went from watchable analog TV to picture-made-of-Duplos digital TV.
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Nice audiophile t-shirt
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The loving positioning of the target light...
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spookygonk posted:Nice audiophile t-shirt Direct drive? Gross.
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 I'm torn because they actually state response tolerance (good, doesn't happen enough) but it's so hilariously bad that they probably should've kept mum
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Those speakers sound decent, look decent and are a pretty low price, imho.
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Panty Saluter posted:
I own these and enjoy them. They are a good quality for the price.
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I'm not saying they aren't decent (and indeed it may only be that off at the extremes), im just saying this was not the time to be honest
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Maybe they're sandbagging on their numbers to make their higher end models look better by comparison.
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taqueso posted:Glad you included option 2. Far too many people say digital is only 1 or 3 but lots of digital protocols can run degraded silently or where many people don't look like logs. So your SATA 666gbps link might run at SATA 1 speeds if your cable sucks and you aren't benching or being a nerd. I believe visual artifacts (similar to modern video compression artifacts) are also a failure mode of bad HDMI cables when the error correcting algorithm can’t keep up. Regarding the cable discussion: Many years ago my local audio shop tried to sell me one of those $$$ Audioquest HDMI cables claiming the colors would be “more vibrant” with a more expensive cable. I briefly argued with him about the way of a digital cable works but he insisted, despite being the owner of an ISF certified calibration shop. That was the last time I visited that store and looking back also the point where I stopped spending any money on “home entertainment”. Thanks, guy! To my surprise they are still in business.
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