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Neutral drops will now always drop only 3 items per tier, rather than having a chance to get more Neutral drops no longer have an end period in terms of when they can drop, just a start period (now 5/15/25/40/70). Higher tier items will always roll first Neutral drop rate changed from 10/5/2.5/1.25/etc to 9/6/3 Still think Imp claw needs another nerf but with the drop changes and the nerfs it otherwise looks pretty good imo
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They mostly murdered the right items for sure
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SNAPFIRE Increased base armor by 2 Increased strength gain from 2.3 to 3.3  :gabenpop:
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Yeah I think Snapfire is going to be a terror once people get used to her
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Nov 28, 2019 05:41
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Snapfire is now busted and owns
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lol like a day later and neutral items get severely ratched down. I think the biggest problem is how lopsided they can be if one team gets good ones and the other doesn't.
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Cuntellectual posted:lol like a day later and neutral items get severely ratched down. Impressive how such a short post can contradict itself so succinctly.
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Glory to Italia!
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is that a contradiction?? they got ratcheted down but they can still skew a game ridiculously Like having a core with a titan sliver for example, versus your core... well not having one
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ILL Machina posted:Impressive how such a short post can contradict itself so succinctly. Yeah, it's not like nerfing some extremely powerful items but not all of them can make things more skewed.  Ambivalent posted:is that a contradiction?? Like, one team getting Philosopher's Stone, Imp Claw and Pupil's Gift vs. the other team getting Vambrace Aquilla Nether Shawl is an utterly insane tip in balance. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Nov 28, 2019 |
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Nov 28, 2019 10:26
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LGD eliminated by FTD Apollo in open qualifiers LMAO. Not cheese, just a bad understanding of the patch and runaway lanes. For a while they were pulling it back together and were winning teamfights while 10k down, but a few mistakes and it got away from them. Edit: Ro16, bo1. I think it was the last of the bo1 matches too. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Nov 28, 2019 |
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Nov 28, 2019 11:09
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VP about to play Hellraisers on BTS2, some SEA games on BTS1. Where was the LGD vs. FTD game?
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Bkop streamed it.
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Nov 28, 2019 11:44
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RRQ is doing the support naix, which looks absolutely absurd in pubs that I saw...
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Yeah support Naix and Void Spirit are the two things that seem just busted atm, and only one of them is in captain's mode. Edit: I just tuned in, doesn't seem to be working here. Not sure how it got there. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Nov 28, 2019 |
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VP has an Alch with a shovel digging up Bounty Runes, and a Leshrac with Vampire Fangs for spell vamp Hellraisers got a Mango Tree and an Ocean Heart. Ambivalent fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Nov 28, 2019 |
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Nov 28, 2019 12:44
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Neutral drops sounds like a random draw from a shared unbalanced deck of cards, and that's usually a really bad thing to do in a strategy game.
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Nov 28, 2019 13:21
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What if both teams got the same item drops, and they got to see what those items would be before drafting? It would still be random when they end up finding each one, so there's still that added incentive to control the jungle.
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Nov 28, 2019 14:35
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Make the neutral items drop on death, old Korean mmo style
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Nov 28, 2019 14:52
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Ambivalent posted:is that a contradiction?? the random items are such a disaster. even ignoring the broken late game stuff like you mentioned, any hero who is good at clearing jungle in the early game is probably going to find a stat item, so suddenly that squishy agi carry that you need to gank has a bunch of extra health at no cost to them i get the idea of trying to turn jungles into an objective to fight over, but in practice it's just a bunch of individual power spikes that nobody really has any agency over
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Counterpoint: They are fun
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I have no strong feelings on the items because I'm not dumb enough to actually play dota and we haven't seen their effect on pro games yet.
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I just want to see a program where a team 10k gold/exp behind suddenly find like 4 neutral items back to back and then steamrolls back with a sudden and insurmountable advantage due to rng
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Counterpoint: They are fun This is a bad argument because things that are balanced can also be fun, but badly designed things that are fun can ruin competitiveness. Winning isn't and ought not to be everything, but that doesn't mean random unbalanced chaos is good.
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The items are probably a super negative if you are playing dota at an organised level but i just mostly get high and hit creeps 
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Counterpoint: They are fun glad the game that's been popular for the last 15 years finally found a way to be fun
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little munchkin posted:glad the game that's been popular for the last 15 years finally found a way to be fun Considering it's dota then it's definitely the first time that has happened
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JollyBoyJohn posted:The items are probably a super negative if you are playing dota at an organised level but i just mostly get high and hit creeps Yep this is exactly the same argument as "how can Munchkin be a bad game, I have fun playing it drunk with my friends". I'm not insulting you btw, just that argument pops up in the boardgame thread a lot and it's...it's bad.
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silvergoose posted:Yep this is exactly the same argument as "how can Munchkin be a bad game, I have fun playing it drunk with my friends". Its an absolutely fair comment. Every single time i play dota I'm high as gently caress playing with a good friend. Playing without both sounds miserable.
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Nov 28, 2019 15:34
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what dota games have you been playing that weren't decided by RNG in some form or another? This is just replacing some RNG with some different RNG
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Its RNG you can't see coming. Like yeah Chaos Knight has RNG but its fundamental tp his design. Runes are RNG but you know when and where they can become a factor
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if an enemy comes out of the jungle with a specific item you know when and where that can become a factor too though surely, and can plan around it. i mean if you unload a shitload of spells onto someone and they survive with 1hp that's not RNG but it's "luck" that they survive, and missing/getting a kill on a core can have a huge effect on a game. I guess I just don't see why this is seen as RNG rather than a meta change.
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NtotheTC posted:I guess I just don't see why this is seen as RNG rather than a meta change. Its the part where the items are Random.
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Bashes are RNG, uphill is RNG, neut spawns are already RNG. Every big patch every year ruins the game and yet somehow by the grace of God we still are here. Like disagreeing with the change is fine if you want but calling it a disaster for the game is hyperbolic bullshit
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Its the part where the items are Random. then change ogre and CK and bash and proc chance % like WoW did years ago to remove "rng" and then it turned out oh this is boring as poo poo let's add a bunch back in.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Bashes are RNG, uphill is RNG, neut spawns are already RNG. Every big patch every year ruins the game and yet somehow by the grace of God we still are here. This thread has been (surprisingly) chill about the changes NtotheTC posted:then change ogre and CK and bash and proc chance % like WoW did years ago to remove "rng" and then it turned out oh this is boring as poo poo let's add a bunch back in. You mean how they've been replacing ability rng for pseudo-rng over the past year or two? 
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Nov 28, 2019 16:29
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rip loa gang die dota
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Arzachel posted:You mean how they've been replacing ability rng for pseudo-rng over the past year or two? No I meant 7+ years ago when they did it. are they really repeating the same cycle again? jesus
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the only downside to this patch is that I don't have a stack to play with and finding an english-speaking team is rare. Need context/chat wheel ways to communicate to the CK that he probably shouldn't be using the +armor -attack speed item drop and to give it to a support
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NtotheTC posted:No I meant 7+ years ago when they did it. are they really repeating the same cycle again? jesus I meant Dota 2, I think Spirit Breaker's bash was one of the last abilities that had true rng.
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I think its alpha wolf crit actually
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