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Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

if google is correct 60 f is 15c? Thats way too cold for ac, wtf

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Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Shy posted:

What's the weather like in Lisbon in April?

e: would five nights in the city be too much?

Nice enough, but there's a good chance of rain. And of course five nights isn't "too much" in a major cultural centre like Lisbon, since you'll probably spend one day of it in Sintra

Also, I realise that Americans defend their love for the AC with like "you try living in North Florida without one", which I understand, but then someone goes "it's 15c out and the AC is off!" and I',m just like ???????????????????

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I am also going to Portugal!

I've booked my flights for the end of March, I'm going to fly into Faro, then train up to Lisbon, then train up to Porto, and fly back from Porto. It might be a bit tight on a 10-day schedule but I think it should be acceptable overall. Any advice for any of those destinations?

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Oh no, I totally get it. I don’t blame the hotel folks for keeping the AC off, but the room is still a solid 8 or so degrees warmer than what is comfortable due what I imagine is everyone else around us blasting heat. It’s not terrible, but it is enough that I have to sleep on top of the sheets.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Warbird posted:

Oh no, I totally get it. I don’t blame the hotel folks for keeping the AC off, but the room is still a solid 8 or so degrees warmer than what is comfortable due what I imagine is everyone else around us blasting heat. It’s not terrible, but it is enough that I have to sleep on top of the sheets.

If 8 degrees higher than the ambient temperature of 60°F makes you sweat and unable to go under the sheets, you might literally want to see a doctor about that? Either that or it's actually way hotter than you are estimating.

But yeah many places in Europe heat absurdly in winter, it's as bad as many places in the south of the US cooling everything off to 68° in the middle of summer. My wife used to work in a bookstore when she was in uni, and I would absolutely not go in its upstairs section during winter because it was at least 30°C, I don't know what the hell was wrong with the management there, as it was unbearable to enter there in winter clothing and they got numerous complaints from customers... plus it must have cost them a fortune. Buses tend to have the same issue. You don't need to heat a goddamn bus to 25°C in winter; everyone is already dressed for walking around outside where it's 5°C.

I stayed in a friend's dorm in NYC quite a number of years ago and they had to have their dorm room window open the entire winter, as the heating could not be controlled by the students, and for some reason the entire building was on "Qatari summer" setting. Which meant that part of the room was unbearably cold, and part of it was unbearably hot. At least it wasn't suicide-proof back then. I don't even know what kids living in that dorm do now.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
Thanks for the help with Amsterdam. Completed what I had intended, stayed in the city, saw the museums, ate the food, drank the drink, walked all over the city and have one more day to take it easy.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Saladman posted:

If 8 degrees higher than the ambient temperature of 60°F makes you sweat and unable to go under the sheets, you might literally want to see a doctor about that? Either that or it's actually way hotter than you are estimating.

Sorry, I meant ~8F degrees warmer than what I personally find comfortable rather than the ambient temp. (Though I will admit to a slight exaggeration.) "Comfortable" here meaning somewhere within a degree or two of 74F/23.3C. I'd take a guess that the room's somewhere around 78F/25.5C, but the humidity here is a bit different than what I'm used to so I might be a bit off. If I could get some proper airflow in here I think it would be perfectly fine, but that doesn't seem likely to happen before we leave. I'll power through it.

General Burd/American hotel practice is to take that AC and crank that poo poo as low as possible and get nice and toasty under a nice thick comforter/duvet without overheating. It's quite nice and sleeps great. Different strokes for different folks.

Tambreet
Nov 28, 2006

Ninja Platypus
Muldoon
My dad wants to take the extended family and some friends over to London next summer, maybe 15-20 people. It could use some organizing for flights, hotel or place to stay, and probably a weekend trip to Paris. Anyone know of a travel agent we could use to help keep the flights/reservations organized?

kru
Oct 5, 2003

Right, I'm moving to Berlin on Sunday, who fancies a couple of pints and a chat

asur
Dec 28, 2012

Shy posted:

What's the weather like in Lisbon in April?

e: would five nights in the city be too much?

It was good when I was there a couple years ago in April. It was warm and sunny for the entire four days, which I thought was enough. Five nights is too much even with visits outside the city.

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

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Saladman posted:

If 8 degrees higher than the ambient temperature of 60°F makes you sweat and unable to go under the sheets, you might literally want to see a doctor about that? Either that or it's actually way hotter than you are estimating.

But yeah many places in Europe heat absurdly in winter, it's as bad as many places in the south of the US cooling everything off to 68° in the middle of summer. My wife used to work in a bookstore when she was in uni, and I would absolutely not go in its upstairs section during winter because it was at least 30°C, I don't know what the hell was wrong with the management there, as it was unbearable to enter there in winter clothing and they got numerous complaints from customers... plus it must have cost them a fortune. Buses tend to have the same issue. You don't need to heat a goddamn bus to 25°C in winter; everyone is already dressed for walking around outside where it's 5°C.

I stayed in a friend's dorm in NYC quite a number of years ago and they had to have their dorm room window open the entire winter, as the heating could not be controlled by the students, and for some reason the entire building was on "Qatari summer" setting. Which meant that part of the room was unbearably cold, and part of it was unbearably hot. At least it wasn't suicide-proof back then. I don't even know what kids living in that dorm do now.

Oh god this - I spent a week in Budapest in February a couple of years ago, right in the middle of a cold snap, and the hotel room was ridiculously overheated with no possibility of adjustment. We had to open the window to let in the -10 celcius breeze.

Very handy for chilling beer though.

orange sky
May 7, 2007

PT6A posted:

I am also going to Portugal!

I've booked my flights for the end of March, I'm going to fly into Faro, then train up to Lisbon, then train up to Porto, and fly back from Porto. It might be a bit tight on a 10-day schedule but I think it should be acceptable overall. Any advice for any of those destinations?

Check my posts in this thread, I've posted about it

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

orange sky posted:

Check my posts in this thread, I've posted about it

In fact, I believe you may have already posted about it in response to me last time I was considering going to Portugal. Thanks! I’ll hit you up if I have any more specific questions.

Edit: after a bunch of deliberation, I’ve decided to stay at a place that seems basically on the border of Baixa and the Alfama in Lisbon, and then a spot around Ribeira in Porto, and a place that’s walking distance of the historic centre in Faro. All the most fun I’ve had anywhere in Europe is staying in a walkable place and then loving around, so I think I’m well positioned from what I’ve read.

It seems the trains only allow bookings two months out, is that the case or am I insane?

PT6A fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Dec 2, 2019

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

PT6A posted:

It seems the trains only allow bookings two months out, is that the case or am I insane?

Weird, but sure enough. That's especially annoying since Portugal (like many countries) gives you a huge discount on train tickets if you buy them in advance.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Saladman posted:

Weird, but sure enough. That's especially annoying since Portugal (like many countries) gives you a huge discount on train tickets if you buy them in advance.

Just wanted to confirm it was that, and not something like one encounters with Renfe where the website is just a barely functioning piece of poo poo.

Weaponized Autism
Mar 26, 2006

All aboard the Gravy train!
Hair Elf
Heading to Athens on Friday for a week. I have a lot of touristy stuff planned, including a day trip to Sounion and one of the islands close by. Any recommendations for cocktail bars? Brettos, The Clumsies, Noel, Drunk Sinatra, and Kolokotroni 9 are on my list. Also looking for recommendations in general for hidden gems. Smaller museums, restaurants, sightseeing.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

Shy posted:

What's the weather like in Lisbon in April?

e: would five nights in the city be too much?
Five nights is good, go to Sintra and the aquarium. Both unmissable, in my opinion. You should also make sure to go out late to Bairro Alto and soak up the street party vibe. Don't eat anywhere with an English menu outside.

asur posted:

It was good when I was there a couple years ago in April. It was warm and sunny for the entire four days, which I thought was enough. Five nights is too much even with visits outside the city.
Totally disagree, we had five nights there and spent two days in Sintra (saw both Pena Palace and the Moorish Castle) and it was perfect.

Weaponized Autism posted:

Heading to Athens on Friday for a week. I have a lot of touristy stuff planned, including a day trip to Sounion and one of the islands close by. Any recommendations for cocktail bars? Brettos, The Clumsies, Noel, Drunk Sinatra, and Kolokotroni 9 are on my list. Also looking for recommendations in general for hidden gems. Smaller museums, restaurants, sightseeing.
Six d.o.g.s is a pretty, cool bar just off Monastiraki Square. Also nearby is Akordeon, which was one of the best holiday/restaurant experiences I've had. Super delicious food with super friendly hosts. This was a few years ago though so they might be busier now - but it looks like they're getting great reviews!

Bollock Monkey fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Dec 7, 2019

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
I've spent several weeks there over the course of three visits. If you get bored in a place like Lisbon after a few days, you have a serious lack of imagination.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Entropist posted:

I've spent several weeks there over the course of three visits. If you get bored in a place like Lisbon after a few days, you have a serious lack of imagination.

Frankly, this applies to pretty much any place I've been, even places I didn't particularly enjoy.

Bollock Monkey posted:

Don't eat anywhere with an English menu outside.

This is excellent and crucial advice for literally any place I've been in Europe. With the possible, but not certain, exception of the UK :v:

To add to this, look for places that have high but imperfect Google/TripAdvisor ratings. #1-rated on TripAdvisor is as big a red flag for me now as anything.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
Nah, in my experience Google and TripAdvisor ratings are quite different. TripAdvisor ratings are by American tourists, Google prioritizes locals. Some of the top restaurants on TripAdvisor in Amsterdam are pretty bad. Google Maps ratings work well, though it's still good to check there if ratings in the local language don't deviate strongly from the average, or to see if all the bad ratings are in English and are complaining about service - in that case, ignore them.

Entropist fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Dec 8, 2019

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.
I'm staying in Barcelona in a couple weeks and paid in full for my hostel in October. I booked through Hostel World. The hostel are now asking me to pay 30% more than I already have because some of the credit card information for other stays they received was fraudulent. I don't even know what that means, really, but presumably they're trying to make up for lost money by charging more. Anyway, they said my card came back as "invalid" - I don't remember giving them my card since I paid through Hostel World. Am I right in thinking this is shady? Surely they are not allowed to do this. Just not really sure what to do here.

Edit: Okay I just got an email from them saying it was a misunderstanding and I don't need to pay anymore. So good, I guess.

snoremac fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Dec 8, 2019

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Tripadvisor is an almost completely useless website

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

Shibawanko posted:

Tripadvisor is an almost completely useless website

It’s good for nonprofessional photos. Bad for everything else.

Knight Corgi
Jan 5, 2014

Entropist posted:

Nah, in my experience Google and TripAdvisor ratings are quite different. TripAdvisor ratings are by American tourists, Google prioritizes locals. Some of the top restaurants on TripAdvisor in Amsterdam are pretty bad. Google Maps ratings work well, though it's still good to check there if ratings in the local language don't deviate strongly from the average, or to see if all the bad ratings are in English and are complaining about service - in that case, ignore them.

I always tend to see on Google Reviews either almost 5 stars or 1.5ish stars (usually at the airport or very popular places). I only use Google Reviews to look at pictures though. It's as if there's no average or mediocre food on Google Reviews.
Tripadvisor has a wider range of reviews but as always, I only use them for pictures.
The only good indicator about both of these is that, if it's horribly rated by almost everyone, you can be pretty sure it's very VERY bad. The same can't be said for highly rated places, ie people who know nothing about food are easily impressed. But that's my take anyway, since I used to work in the restaurant industry.

Shy
Mar 20, 2010

Thanks for the Lisbon advice!
In Rome I didn't go out of the city as was suggested because it was completely overwhelming and five nights wasn't even close to enough, so I'm honestly not worried about being bored.

TripAdvisor helped me find a hotel in Vienna, it was this https://www.das-tyrol.at/en/ it was the nicest place I've ever stayed in by a wide margin. If anyone travels to Vienna and 200 eur/night sounds reasonable take a look.

Shy fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Dec 11, 2019

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Shy posted:

Thanks for the Lisbon advice!
In Rome I didn't go out of the city as was suggested because it was completely overwhelming and five nights wasn't even close to enough, so I'm honestly not worried about being bored.

TripAdvisor helped me find a hotel in Vienna, it was this https://www.das-tyrol.at/en/ it was the nicest place I've ever stayed in by a wide margin. If anyone travels to Vienna and 200 eur/night sounds reasonable take a look.

Yeah I think I’ve spent 11 days in Rome over the past few years and the only day trip I’ve done from there is Ostia, which was cool but I kind of regret not going to Tivoli instead. It’s incredible how much there is there.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

Knight Corgi posted:

I always tend to see on Google Reviews either almost 5 stars or 1.5ish stars (usually at the airport or very popular places). I only use Google Reviews to look at pictures though. It's as if there's no average or mediocre food on Google Reviews.
Tripadvisor has a wider range of reviews but as always, I only use them for pictures.
The only good indicator about both of these is that, if it's horribly rated by almost everyone, you can be pretty sure it's very VERY bad. The same can't be said for highly rated places, ie people who know nothing about food are easily impressed. But that's my take anyway, since I used to work in the restaurant industry.

Hm, I guess it's better where I've been, places have quite a few ratings and thus there are not a lot of 5s or 1s. My Google Maps rating impressions:
1-3 stars: Most likely a total disaster
3-3.8 stars: Generic, mediocre, boring, not worth visiting, except if most complaints are about service or from people who don't know the cuisine - there's a Sichuan restaurant near me with a 3.6, the food is excellent and authentic but the service is pretty terrible so there are lots of negative reviews about service or from Dutch people not understanding the food, or takeout issues which doesn't matter if you eat there.
3.8-4.1 stars: Average. Can be worth going to if you like the cuisine, pictures, location etc.
4.1-4.5 stars: Usually there's a few of these in a given area and they're likely to be quite nice experiences
4.5-5 stars: Quite rare. Probably either a really expensive starred restaurant, or a great local hotspot that surprised people, or a real specialist in a particular culture's cuisine. If the total number of reviews is low, like less than 20, be skeptical, though (that goes for all of the categories but especially here).

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
That's pretty much in line with my experience of Google reviews as well. 4.1 and above is going to be pretty decent.

Though this doesn't apply in SEA where usually the best-rated place in town is the McDonalds or Pizza Hut with 25,000 reviews and a 4.7 rating :stare:

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Is it possible to spend just a single night in Amsterdam? I fly in on Sunday at 6:30PM and fly out the following Monday at 1PM.

In theory, I could at least see the waterway, walk around, get something to eat, a hotel, wake up and get breakfast and then make my way back to the airport.

Or would this not be worth it? Would a Sunday night be too boring? Is stuff even open?

Dance Officer
May 4, 2017

It would be awesome if we could dance!

Tab8715 posted:

Is it possible to spend just a single night in Amsterdam? I fly in on Sunday at 6:30PM and fly out the following Monday at 1PM.

In theory, I could at least see the waterway, walk around, get something to eat, a hotel, wake up and get breakfast and then make my way back to the airport.

Or would this not be worth it? Would a Sunday night be too boring? Is stuff even open?

I don't think it'd be worth it, nothing but the red light district and cafés open, and I never thought Amsterdam at night was all that beautiful. But if you're flying from Schiphol and you're looking for something to do, it's not the worst idea.

Edit: Schiphol train station is pretty integral to the airport, so it's incredibly easy to get to, and the connection to Amsterdam is frequent and takes 15-20 minutes. I'm not sure of restaurant opening hours on sundays, but normally they stop serving food after 9 or so. You can probably get a proper meal instead of airport food.

Dance Officer fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Dec 12, 2019

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
It can be done. A typical canal tour is 1 hour and they also run in the evening and gives a nice summary, and Amsterdam can be nice at night especially in winter when all the lights are up.
It is not true that everything is closed - this is not Germany. Shops, restaurants, and some museums are open and things are plenty crowded on the weekend. More stuff is closed on Monday than on Sunday. Do keep in mind that most restaurants stop taking new eaters around 21:30.
And indeed, it's only 15 mins from the airport.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

you can experience dutch fast food by getting snacks from an wall automat, those should be open till late night

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Tab8715 posted:

Is it possible to spend just a single night in Amsterdam? I fly in on Sunday at 6:30PM and fly out the following Monday at 1PM.

In theory, I could at least see the waterway, walk around, get something to eat, a hotel, wake up and get breakfast and then make my way back to the airport.

Or would this not be worth it? Would a Sunday night be too boring? Is stuff even open?

Is there some reason you would bother doing this? Like do you have to fly through Schipol and your options are either an overnight layover, or a regular transfer? Otherwise it sounds like a huge waste to fly to Amsterdam for like, 4 hours in the evening and another 2-3 hours in the morning. Also what time of year? Assuming that you have to fly through anyway, if it's now that seems OK but in like Jan/Feb that sounds pretty lovely, ymmv.

kru
Oct 5, 2003

Berlin goons holla pls

Knight Corgi
Jan 5, 2014

Entropist posted:

Hm, I guess it's better where I've been, places have quite a few ratings and thus there are not a lot of 5s or 1s. My Google Maps rating impressions:
1-3 stars: Most likely a total disaster
3-3.8 stars: Generic, mediocre, boring, not worth visiting, except if most complaints are about service or from people who don't know the cuisine - there's a Sichuan restaurant near me with a 3.6, the food is excellent and authentic but the service is pretty terrible so there are lots of negative reviews about service or from Dutch people not understanding the food, or takeout issues which doesn't matter if you eat there.
3.8-4.1 stars: Average. Can be worth going to if you like the cuisine, pictures, location etc.
4.1-4.5 stars: Usually there's a few of these in a given area and they're likely to be quite nice experiences
4.5-5 stars: Quite rare. Probably either a really expensive starred restaurant, or a great local hotspot that surprised people, or a real specialist in a particular culture's cuisine. If the total number of reviews is low, like less than 20, be skeptical, though (that goes for all of the categories but especially here).

I live in Paris so I guess all the women who get proposed near the Eiffel Tower are overexcited by everything. But still, it's quite weird since Parisians are known to be tremendous assholes so I am surprised that I don't see too many negative reviews about snobby waiters who refuse to speak English or tourist trap food (loads of them near the touristy places, obviously). I guess it's still very different from one country to another.
But yeah, to whom it may concern, if you ever come to Paris, be wary of very positive reviews, just check for pictures to get an idea.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

kru posted:

Berlin goons holla pls
Try the main Germany thread as well: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3439500

some folks apparently going to Das Gift tonight to despair over the UK election results

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Saladman posted:

Is there some reason you would bother doing this? Like do you have to fly through Schipol and your options are either an overnight layover, or a regular transfer? Otherwise it sounds like a huge waste to fly to Amsterdam for like, 4 hours in the evening and another 2-3 hours in the morning. Also what time of year? Assuming that you have to fly through anyway, if it's now that seems OK but in like Jan/Feb that sounds pretty lovely, ymmv.

It’s a super long layover.

It’s just the way my ridiculous travel worked out because airlines are basically cartels that own specific routes. I could hang out in the airport but it’s not like I’m able to visit Europe anytime so figure why not check it out.

Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Dec 13, 2019

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Dance Officer posted:

I don't think it'd be worth it, nothing but the red light district and cafés open, and I never thought Amsterdam at night was all that beautiful.

The internet tells me the RLD is scam ridden and just not worth it. I would like to be able to smoke just a single joint in a coffee shop if at all possible. I could care less if I’m overcharged I’d just like to do so just for the sake of novelty maybe in the company of some local folks.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Tab8715 posted:

The internet tells me the RLD is scam ridden and just not worth it. I would like to be able to smoke just a single joint in a coffee shop if at all possible. I could care less if I’m overcharged I’d just like to do so just for the sake of novelty maybe in the company of some local folks.

I'm not very familiar with Amsterdam, but I always get the feeling the coffee shops in the touristy areas don't get any locals.

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Dance Officer
May 4, 2017

It would be awesome if we could dance!

Tab8715 posted:

The internet tells me the RLD is scam ridden and just not worth it. I would like to be able to smoke just a single joint in a coffee shop if at all possible. I could care less if I’m overcharged I’d just like to do so just for the sake of novelty maybe in the company of some local folks.

Maybe an Amsterdam goon can hook you up with some weed and a place to crash.

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