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Autistic Edgy Guy posted:one honest look at the battles of the American Civil War and all that Southern pride about it gets even more deranged and ugly. your young johnny rebs mostly rotted from disease at camp, starved, got trampled when their lines broke, or some other industrial-war horror that cant really be called "combat." same goes for the union side, really. The real Lost Cause-getting OSHA to show up to move the latrines further from the water supply.
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Since this is a new thread I think it's time to get this one back in here: http://www.sciforums.com/threads/vacuum-pockets-and-safety-nazis.41446/ quote:Oh, boy.
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That is a situation where the Bureaucrat doesn't understand the Science but uses his/her authority as The Bureaucrat to push forward the stupidest of poo poo. Here's my most recent run in: I ordered a compound called propidium monoazide (PMA). The point of this compound is that it sticks to DNA, then it binds to it irreversibly when exposed to blue light. After this binding, that DNA is effectively destroyed. I ordered this compound, and it came into the building on a day when the stockroom person was gone. Thus one of the secretaries (a 20something without a college degree) put it into her food fridge behind her desk so that it would stay cold like the labeled said until the stockroom person could inventory it. I find this out, and say, "hey look, that can't stay in your fridge. Just give it to me, I'll ensure that it gets tagged" (and it would because my lab is the only one compliant in the entire building). "I can't do that, what would happen if an inspector came in?" "...YOU HAVE A GENOTOXIC CHEMICAL NEXT TO YOUR FOOD THAT IS ALSO UN-INVENTORIED!! WHAT DO YOU THINK AN INSPECTOR WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT?!" The PMA class will be the death of us all.
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Necrosaro posted:I am listening to it and they have nothing nice to say about us here at the Something Awful forums. I should just post the link to the video. You know that donoteat is a goon right?
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ATP_Power posted:You know that donoteat is a goon right? pretty sure all of them are
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Necrosaro posted:I am listening to it and they have nothing nice to say about us here at the Something Awful forums. I should just post the link to the video. There’s a link for the fine people of C-SPAN in Donoteat’s thread there.
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:armies failed to take note of this warfare_since_forever.txt
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mycomancy posted:The PMA class will be the death of us all. What the F do you expect a 20-something with no degree to do when a refrigerated package comes in? Why is a secretary even allowed in the same room as PMA? Why is there no stockroom person present on mail-receiving days?
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Phanatic posted:Since this is a new thread I think it's time to get this one back in here: this is funny but I can't be mad at the safety Nazi. He's obviously taking his job and safety seriously but just doesn't have the education or training necessary to understand why his charts were misleading him on this problem. It kind of reminds me of the hazmat guys on this channel and their advice, which always starts with "look at your charts" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVq1EGUV03Y I can't help giggling at the start of this video when they're like "if you get the wrong thought process in your brain you can say to yourself (about the angry red cloud of gas flooding out of a chemical truck), Nitrogen dioxide? Well Nitrogen's in the air? No big deal." Knowing even a little bit about chemistry that would obviously be a ridiculous response, but the kind of people who are the first responders to chemical leaks don't necessarily know anything about chemistry or vacuums or gas dynamics, and they know they don't know it. They have to be able to rely on and trust proper procedures, and if their check lists lead to them being overly cautious sometimes its not their fault, its the fault of the MSDS or the training. On the subject of nitrogen dioxide, ad since someone else brought up respecting grain, I recently found out that besides occasionally exploding and sucking people to their deaths silos can also release suffocating clouds of nitrogen oxides! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PJ2WFxqMbw   In the comments on the silo video some guy describes how he was standing next to a vent one time when there was a gas release that instantly overcame him, he woke up some time later dangling over a catwalk Squalid fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Dec 5, 2019 |
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evil_bunnY posted:ok boomer. They want to actively make other people endure horrible poo poo. Beyond negligence.
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dreamin of semen posted:
Eight full doses at each of her eight sessions. quote:October 2011 – At a hospital in Rio de Janeiro, 7-year-old girl was treated for acute lymphoblastic leukemia with whole brain radiation. The prescriptions were done manually in a form with no formal peer review process. Because of an error in the registration of the number of sessions, she received the full dose in each session of radiotherapy. Even with early toxicity, the doctor refused to assess the patient, because some of the complaints were usual. The full treatment was finished in about 8 sessions and the girl was admitted with radiation burns. She developed frontal lobe necrosis and died in June 2012. After an investigation, the physicist, technician, and physician were charged with manslaughter.[74] Sure hope those charges turned into convictions.
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loving CHRIST. One of them involves a 7 year old girl getting 8 full doses of radiation directly to the brain instead of a single dose over 8 visits, I hate it a lot
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dreamin of semen posted:I like to design GUIs I write firmware on what is essentially a life support medical device. We have an entire team dedicated just to making the UI dev's life miserable finding infinitesimal little bugs. Like on some certain screen the right line of pixels is cut off a column of numbers, or the hue of red isn't consistent across menus. Yea they find real bugs, but holy poo poo I'm glad I don't do UI dev. Pretty much everyone leaves the backend people alone and we make sure our poo poo works and there isn't reason to complain... My original point is that the backend should ultimately sanitize stupid inputs and not break in a dangerous way. Even if a lovely UI allows someone to enter stupid data, enter it in a bad order, lean up against something and accidentally do whatever, the back end should be robust enough to not screw up. I think the thing I hate most about UI dev is that it doesn't matter what you do, it won't be intuitive to 1/4 of the users and they'll hate it. no matter what. chrisgt fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Dec 5, 2019 |
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This is true. Buuuut... Just as you as the backend developer shouldn't trust the operator to know what they're doing, the operator shouldn't assume that the backend will catch any mistakes they make and the UI designer should assume that both of you are idiots. Each person involved should treat it like they and they alone are the only person standing in the way of disaster. This minimises (not eliminates, reduces) the risk of the swiss cheese holes lining up and disaster happening.
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Phanatic posted:Since this is a new thread I think it's time to get this one back in here: 1. What energy isolation is in place system wide to keep people away from the potential energy present in a vacuum system 2. How do you safely discharge the potential energy of the device when it's time to do so 3. How do we ensure a breathable atmosphere at all times (not just at initial isolation/deenergizing). In other words all spaces require a certain amount of air turnaround to keep breathable -can you guarentee that naturally or do you need a blower to get the air to be safe. 4. Ditto 2 and 3, do you have your LOTO and air supply sorted. Maybe it reality it was and a big boss coming in to save the day with common sense was STDH and instead procedures/JSA got pushed up to the boss for approval. But you'd expect the tone for that story to be "see look I'm a smarty pants with my poo poo in line" instead of "I'm a smarty pants, those drat safety idiots are keeping me down"
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Vacuum presents hazards, but “asphyxiant gas” is a fundamentally unsound model for the problem.
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Platystemon posted:Vacuum presents hazards, but “asphyxiant gas” is a fundamentally unsound model for the problem.
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evil_bunnY posted:ok boomer. gently caress off with that stupid poo poo. quote:What the F do you expect a 20-something with no degree to do when a refrigerated package comes in? *shrug* you got me. The stockroom person had a family emergency, and there's zero redundancy on my campus. In my professional opinion, the most correct thing to do, with the circumstances what they were, would be to send out a department wide email asking who's chemical it was, then asking that faculty member to deal with it and ensure it meets the real safety standards, not the "letter of the law" nonsense my school is trying to pull.
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Was there any hazcom? On the package or paperwork signed to receive. It would have to be incredibly dumb and bad hazcom if a secretary can ignore it in favor of refrigerated storage instructions on the package. Secretary's fault entirely depends on that, they shouldn't be authorized to goods receive anything they can't actually action on hazard management. But they need to know that to reject it until an actual inventory person can handle it Send it back with the courier in that case. If it's just like a box with refrigeration needed on it, the safety failures are compound above their head. If the department receives refrigerated stuff like this often they probably need a goods receipt fridge to stash poo poo till inventory does their thing.
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Just wanted to combine TWO subjects from this page: the M1 Abrams has a canister round called the 120mm M1028 Canister Cartridge. Amazing video of it being fired: https://www.military.com/video/guns/tank-guns/shotgun-tank-round/659487128001
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zedprime posted:Was there any hazcom? On the package or paperwork signed to receive. It would have to be incredibly dumb and bad hazcom if a secretary can ignore it in favor of refrigerated storage instructions on the package. I'm just guessing that if it's like most unis, the whole thing is underfunded and things like that probably aren't a priority on the budget even though they should be. Funnily enough, some of the stories I've heard from my friend who's worked at biotech startups make me think it can be much worse there. At least universities have departments devoted to OSHA stuff even if they aren't perfect - see the UCLA chemistry lab fatality (https://cen.acs.org/articles/87/i31/Learning-UCLA.html). I wish I could find the story of a guy who worked at a pharma startup as a chemist and slowly started realizing one of the owners of the startup was trying to cook ecstasy on the DL with no knowledge of chemistry in a side room at the company but I can't track it down.
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:Just wanted to combine TWO subjects from this page: the M1 Abrams has a canister round called the 120mm M1028 Canister Cartridge. Amazing video of it being fired: https://www.military.com/video/guns/tank-guns/shotgun-tank-round/659487128001 I want to see this shot at one of those World's Largest Pumpkins from a county fair.
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ATP_Power posted:I wish I could find the story of a guy who worked at a pharma startup as a chemist and slowly started realizing one of the owners of the startup was trying to cook ecstasy on the DL with no knowledge of chemistry in a side room at the company but I can't track it down.
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This happened to me once while wiring my elderly dad's new garage. Went to get my fancy aluminum ladder dad says, "oh hell I got a ladder right here." After a very small amount of arguing (as I'd already hurt his feelings a few times by kinda running down his junky stuff) I caved and crawled up his rickety wooden ladder. Got about five steps up and doink, doink, doink, doink, crash. Dammit dad.
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ATP_Power posted:I'm just guessing that if it's like most unis, the whole thing is underfunded and things like that probably aren't a priority on the budget even though they should be. Funnily enough, some of the stories I've heard from my friend who's worked at biotech startups make me think it can be much worse there. At least universities have departments devoted to OSHA stuff even if they aren't perfect - see the UCLA chemistry lab fatality (https://cen.acs.org/articles/87/i31/Learning-UCLA.html). I feel like a lot of the chemical and biohazard stuff at my university is more geared to protect the university from liability rather than to create a safe work environment, like when my coworker was forced to clean up a spill of an unknown reagent that someone else made and EHS wouldn't touch the stuff (in an electrical engineering fabrication lab). I'm split between engineering (fab) and microbiology and do most of the ordering and receiving for my lab. Everything goes to a mailroom and initial receiving is always done by an office worker; I just have to assume none of the reagents I've ordered are damaged and leaking since they would have no idea what to do in the case of an exposure. lol
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Whooping Crabs posted:I feel like a lot of the chemical and biohazard stuff at my university is more geared to protect the university from liability rather than to create a safe work environment No way.
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ncumbered_by_idgits posted:No way. They only seem to do inspections while there is nobody there, don't do a good job explaining safety violations post-inspection, and wouldn't help a graduate student with either labor or guidance about how to clean up a spill of an unknown reagent someone else created. Our EHS is bad at providing help or clarification on what to do when asked.
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ncumbered_by_idgits posted:No way. A ton of my previous institution's EH&S procedures were designed to reduce fines by the EPA. (In response to previous inspections.) Not really a concentration on general lab safety as much as improper labeling leads to the most fines, so be really anal about not using acronyms. Still had your typical nitric acid explosions, but I guess the bottles were fully labeled.
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ATP_Power posted:I'm just guessing that if it's like most unis, the whole thing is underfunded and things like that probably aren't a priority on the budget even though they should be. Whooping Crabs posted:I feel like a lot of the chemical and biohazard stuff at my university is more geared to protect the university from liability rather than to create a safe work environment, like when my coworker was forced to clean up a spill of an unknown reagent that someone else made and EHS wouldn't touch the stuff (in an electrical engineering fabrication lab). I'm split between engineering (fab) and microbiology and do most of the ordering and receiving for my lab. Everything goes to a mailroom and initial receiving is always done by an office worker; I just have to assume none of the reagents I've ordered are damaged and leaking since they would have no idea what to do in the case of an exposure. That's assuming a lot about having hazcom awareness, and having something like an extra workbench/fridge in the specialty case to store it until an expert can handle it. But that's all a scale and price of change that it's just institutional inertia holding them back Hazcom awareness should be more explictly in a highschool class by now with on the job specific refreshers by the time you're working. Kind of astonishing how many people can't recognize poison signs or leave unlabeled bottles of bleach around. Greatest Living Man posted:A ton of my previous institution's EH&S procedures were designed to reduce fines by the EPA. (In response to previous inspections.) Not really a concentration on general lab safety as much as improper labeling leads to the most fines, so be really anal about not using acronyms. Still had your typical nitric acid explosions, but I guess the bottles were fully labeled. Don't gently caress around with hazcom.
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Greatest Living Man posted:Not really a concentration on general lab safety as much as improper labeling leads to the most fines Reminds me of a story I heard (maybe in an old version of this thread) where a lab or chemical company decided to honor breast cancer awareness by changing all their label colors to pink, thus screwing with the color coding.
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EvenWorseOpinions posted:All Cops Are Bad Drivers
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Yea blaming an unsecured load on a driver regardless of the reason is pretty dumb. That could just have easily been a minivan full o kids and you’d still slam on your breaks the same way.
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