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In It For The Tank posted:If someone or something stops the rumbling from coming to fruition (that is, the total annihilation of everyone outside of Paradis), I'm gonna be so fuckin' mad. If the series actually ends like that, it will destroy all audience goodwill for the franchise. It will become a laughing stock in a landfill overnight, stanned only by ethno nationalists and tedious edgelords.
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Saul Goodman titan! "Did someone here need an attorney?"  "BETTER CALL SAUL!" The gently caress happened to the hair here? Someone spilled something on the paper... 
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Squidster posted:gently caress off, seriously. You're arguing for genocide on the basis of novelty? now, if all the other characters went along with it, that'd be one thing. but if eren does it and everyone fails to stop him? it'd be interesting, at least. horrific, for sure. a Bad End, absolutely. I'd be curious to see it play out that way. It's not going to, I don't think, but plenty more crazy things are absolutely going to happen before the end of this.
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Dec 6, 2019 12:52
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At this point, there's no way for the series to end that won't piss a lot of people off. If Eren ends an unambiguous villain, Eren stans will be furious The Goodest Boy ever got done dirty by Ishiyama. If he has some secret heroic peace plan, people who don't have Eren body pillows will be upset his horrific actions post-time skip will have been swept under the rug or even justified. If he gets Talk no Jutsu'd into recant and redemption, the pragmatists and apologists alike will just get pissed AoT ended wishy-washy like Naruto, with no hard judgements on actions or idealogies one way or another. For the record, I still believe the most likely outcome is Eren gets Sasuke'd. yeah, sorry Kerning Chameleon fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Squidster posted:gently caress off, seriously. You're arguing for genocide on the basis of novelty? Haha yeah remember how the mass media shunned Alan Moore for the end of Watchmen? That was crazy.
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Dec 6, 2019 15:49
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Such an ending wouldn't fit with that last panel Isayama teased tho. Then again, that panel was lacking context. It would definitely be a hell of a twist if he were saying it to a baby he found surviving in the middle of a blasted hellscape or sth.
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Perfect Potato posted:It's fitting that when all these long standing characters are active and fighting for their lives Reiner's first instinctual action when The Apocalypse happens is to curl up into a ball in a corner and pass out 
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Dec 6, 2019 16:11
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SpazmasterX posted:Haha yeah remember how the mass media shunned Alan Moore for the end of Watchmen? That was crazy. I'm not saying that it won't have an omnicide ending, simply that this ending would be the instant fiery death of the brand.
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In It For The Tank posted:If someone or something stops the rumbling from coming to fruition (that is, the total annihilation of everyone outside of Paradis), I'm gonna be so fuckin' mad. Ummm you could just read bokurano if you want a series that ends in one of the protagonist conducting a global genocide instead of advocating for this one to get hosed up. its also a mecha series, just like this Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Dec 6, 2019 16:43
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another mecha series in which a protagonist ushers in a global genocide: evangelion
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Squidster posted:Watchmen was not centrally about race. It didn't have the unfortunate ghetto armbands imagery. Watchmen's ending, while intentionally shocking, was not literally the genocide of all non-white races. I see what you're saying, but I think these things depend on the execution. If done well with something to reflect and discuss, it could launch the series into an all-timer status like Evangelion. Like if he goes through with it, and they show the emotional impact and anguish it causes even his surviving friends, then it could go down as a memorably cynical allegory about the human condition. The series already is one to a large extent, so I have faith the author will do a good job of whatever conclusion he wants. Keep in mind his series started as a nightmarish post apocalyptic land where it was implied humanity was already wiped out outside of the walls by monstrous Titans.
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I think AoT is more of a seinen that masqueraded as a shonen to ruthlessly deconstruct typical shonen tropes. The avenging protagonist's rage boner combined with his Shonen Protagonist's Powers seriously disturbed everyone but his closest friends, and wanted to either kill him or use him to further their own agendas. Said closest friends were too close to him, and saw a much rosier picture of his personality than it actually was. The power of friendship speeches absolutely will not always save you from the monsters, and that sometimes you really shouldn't have trusted your friends in a critical moment rather than trust your own guy instincts. The evil royal conspiracy isn't much better informed about the situation than you are, and is working to maintain a pacifistic stance rather than being warmongers. The iconic villains were just expendable scared dumb kids in service to a much more banal but no less unspeakable form of usual human evil. The series double twists itself by first revealing the monsters were always humans, but then also that the outside humans were also always (bigoted) monsters. The protagonist's growing charisma and iconic status become horrifying when he starts defying the heroic military group he was a part of to fuel bloodthirsty nationalism to his own genocidal ends. The seeming allies from nowhere just want to commercially exploit the natural resources of the protagonist's homeland. The defectors from the evil empire are working under your nose to hold your government hostage in service to a plan to try and mass sterilize your race.
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Why are you allowed to post in here Jesus Christ
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A good chapter, they all can't be mind blowing amazing.
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Squidster posted:gently caress off, seriously. You're arguing for genocide on the basis of novelty? You say novelty, I say spectacle. In any case, now I want it to happen even more to make you even more upset. Also, wanting to see a genocide occur in this fictional story does not equal "arguing for genocide"  Your fear that the series will lose its credibility fails to take into account that the story has seemingly been built from the ground up to create a scenario where the characters have to grapple with the fact that genocide is a viable solution to their problems. It's a nasty ending but boy do I hope they do it and the last panel is Eren declaring that his kid is free (an uplifting sentiment in any other context) but only as the result of the literal apocalypse that he caused. That's the kind of sobering ending that leaves an impression. Similar examples would be Watchmen or Dr. Strangelove, which are both beloved because their ending was so dark and memorable. In It For The Tank fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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iamsosmrt posted:Fair. I think it's likely if she had all of his current powers, Paradis would be wiped off the Earth yesterday. It's not hard to say at all. For the past two years, almost every single scene featuring Eren has involved either him explicitly stating he's not motivated by vengeance, and in fact has even to what extent is possible forgiven those that have personally wronged him by way of understanding their circumstances (ie Reiner), or him being sad and disappointed that things keep playing out the way he's seen in his visions of the future, or him being angry (at himself, at others, at the world) for being unable to find a way to protect those dear to him that doesn't involve the mass murder of innocents.
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Conspiratiorist posted:It's not hard to say at all. While you're probably right, teenagers especially are not exactly known for being completely honest and in control with their emotions and motivations. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that he gets deferred by a Good Will Hunting style hug and plea for mercy from someone like Annie.
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the wall titans are simply going to help flatten the land all across the earth for improved farming and habitation. thank you wall titans
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logikv9 posted:the wall titans are simply going to help flatten the land all across the earth for improved farming and habitation. thank you wall titans Exactly, everyone smushed underfoot will provide more than enough nutrients for the soil and bring a fantastic harvest!
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Stop me if this conversation has already happened but the wall titans are still people right? If there's enough of them to trample the Earth and Eren earns/gains the ability to de-titanify them (why does/did anyone think he would have that ability? I lost that thread) that's gotta be a pretty massive populace of people to start up a new major city, right? Have there been any estimates for how many wall titans there are in total?
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DaveKap posted:Stop me if this conversation has already happened but the wall titans are still people right? If there's enough of them to trample the Earth and Eren earns/gains the ability to de-titanify them (why does/did anyone think he would have that ability? I lost that thread) that's gotta be a pretty massive populace of people to start up a new major city, right? Have there been any estimates for how many wall titans there are in total?
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Yeah this is another case where authors are bad at scale. I think I saw a post once that illustrated that, based on the distances of the walls provided in the manga, Paradis from tip to tip is as wide as the continental United States. Consequently, the walls must includes tens of millions of titans. And the rest of the SNK world must be many times larger than Earth, if we accept that the general geography is the same, just inverted. Of course this doesn't jive with how quickly the characters travel around but 
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10 million colossal titans would be 200,000 km long. Madagascar is only 4800 km in circumference, and the walls are much smaller than the entirety of the island.
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Yeah I'm not surprised a manga about titans is bad at scale.
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There's been enough "Paradis = Madagascar" stuff in the manga to call any other random stats from early stuff less canon, I feel like. I'm sure a hundred thousand colossal titans is enough to gently caress up the rest of the planet anyways, don't really need 10 million.
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I have only one complaint about the chapter: for all of Isayama's callbacks and nods to previous events, having Pixis die to Armin rather than say, Pieck or a now revived Annie, is a bit of a letdown. On the other hand, I look forward to Annie finding some rando soldier and having them fill her in on what's happened. Bonus points if it's done like how Luis' recaps in the Antman movies play out.
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Coastline paradox but its the titan walls
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:There's been enough "Paradis = Madagascar" stuff in the manga to call any other random stats from early stuff less canon, I feel like. Spoiler, the titans are normal sized humans and everyone else is actually ant-sized
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change my name posted:Spoiler, the titans are normal sized humans and everyone else is actually ant-sized 10 million normal sized people side to side would be about 4600 km long. I think you solved it.
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AradoBalanga posted:I have only one complaint about the chapter: for all of Isayama's callbacks and nods to previous events, having Pixis die to Armin rather than say, Pieck or a now revived Annie, is a bit of a letdown. On the other hand, I look forward to Annie finding some rando soldier and having them fill her in on what's happened. Bonus points if it's done like how Luis' recaps in the Antman movies play out. To be fair, Armin is a very cute boy.
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logikv9 posted:the wall titans are simply going to help flatten the land all across the earth for improved farming and habitation. thank you wall titans Eren is going to kill the world with kindness
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  I can't stop laughing at the Bob Odenkirk titan.
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It's pretty great. The best part is his Saul Goodman pointing finger. Are there any other titan cameos?
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 Ok I figured it out, check out that cast on the bottom.
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Isayama constantly taking the piss with the normal titans is one of the best parts of the manga.
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Kyte posted:Such an ending wouldn't fit with that last panel Isayama teased tho. Then again, that panel was lacking context. It would definitely be a hell of a twist if he were saying it to a baby he found surviving in the middle of a blasted hellscape or sth. Which one? The last panel of this chapter? I'm not sure what you're talking about. Either way, imagine how much it'd suck to be sleeping in stasis in assumed absolute safety indefinitely, only to be rudely awoken during the Apocalypse.
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The last panel of the entire story has already been leaked.
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There was a leaked panel that is supposed to be the last panel of the series. It features the attack titan holding a giant titan sized trophy made of titan crystal in what appears to be a huge stadium formed by the crystallized wall titans. You can see some of the other shifters and side characters in the background on the bleachers, some excitedly cheering, others looking dejected. A large banner can be seen hanging near the announcer's booth that reads "First Annual Grand Titan Tournament" (loosely translated) The current running theory is that both sides realize that all out war could easily lead to the extinction of the human race, so in lieu of war, a competition is organized which kicks off the tournament arc that will determine the fates of our scrappy protagonists and the eldians as a whole.
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edit: nevermind
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