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StabMasterArson posted:I just meant that it might not be that easy, just adding a save button could break the whole thing for all we know Well of course but that's why you don't develop an entire game before going "perhaps the players would like to save their progress?"
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AndrewP posted:Wondering if anyone knows what’s going on here: That's the behavior you'd expect from low framerate or signal lag, yeah. The Quest will be "reprojecting" at the last minute to make sure the world turns smoothly as you turn your head smoothly, but it only has a narrow cone of rendered world to work from. If you turn your head fast you'll see the edges of that cone until it gets a new image from the game. PantsBandit posted:It's not backseat game dev to say "this dev team probably could've found a way to include this extremely basic feature that every other game manages to do" No, but saying "implementing saving isn't that hard" is. Implementing a good mid-level save system is probably the second hardest thing in game dev*. But obviously just because it's hard doesn't make it okay to release a game without it any more than it'd be okay to release a game without audio. * - Overall hardest is implementing a good third person camera.
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cheesetriangles posted:Floating hands are better than IK. Extremely situational as to which is better
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NRVNQSR posted:... Oh come on, not having a mid level save is not the end of the world. People play rouge-likes that go for an hour without a save and the world hasn't ended. EDIT: NM I haven't gotten there yet, but apparently several levels are multi hour long, yeah I'm agreed holy poo poo how did you not add check points. They could signaled it at the start, but I think as a physics sandbox lack of mid-level world state save makes sense. Having to do the toss stuff in incinerator multiple times on the first level was annoying, but they could have fixed that with a checkpoint (and reset the world state). Stick100 fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Dec 11, 2019 20:08
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Boneworks is 29.99 made by an indie developer who's last two games were janky messes. They experimented a lot because of this. A lot of it hits really really hard, few things do not hit at all. Though I'm not shocked to see the VR thread eating itself alive over it.
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AndrewP posted:Wondering if anyone knows what’s going on here: Is it reprojecting? Check your frame rate yo You gotta check frame rates in VR, its so basic
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homeless snail posted:That's exactly what I mean by VR legs not being real. Some people get a little more acclimated to it over time but its not a universal thing and VR isn't really something you can Get Good at. You quoted a lot of people that have dozens to hundreds of hours in VR and it still made them sick. I think that's proof enough VR legs are bullshit ... It very much depends on the person. There's a certain genetic thing that causes some people to never develop "sea legs" and by extent those same people also never get used to induced VR movement "VR Legs". Some people are also better at keeping their balance than others and need a small adjustment time to get their heads around it. In my case, I was a little of A and B. Over time I definitely got better at induced movement while playing Pavlov. I went from barely able to keep my balance and getting sick after 30 minutes to being able to stay in Pavlov for very long periods of time while rocketing around the map like it's nothin'. "VR Legs" exist in the same way sea legs exist. But in that same vein there are people who it will never be 100% comfortable for. In the end I think you are correct in that some select comfort features are important if you are targeting a wide demographic of players. I have had a good time with Boneworks in-spite of the many, many, flaws core to their design. If anything it's a great data point for VR devs to use when making future titles. edit: But it might be telling that I am not spending the last 2 days of the year I have with my VR kit playing Boneworks. Instead I went right back to working on my experimental VR project with a fist full of design lessons on what Boneworks succeeded and failed at. Calipark fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Stick100 posted:Oh come on, not having a mid level save is not the end of the world. People play rouge-likes that go for an hour without a save and the world hasn't ended. How are rogue-likes relevant here? Those aren't VR games and Boneworks isn't a rogue-like. I have trouble stomaching the game for more than an hour, so I have 2 options here A) take my time knowing that I won't be able to finish the level in one sitting and that I'll have to do everything again B) just get to the objective as fast as possible, no loving around, so I can finish the level before feeling sick. If I can't do that then tough luck I guess, quit the game and do everything again another time I don't understand what's so bad about saving the states of physics objects, Half-Life 2 did it fine 15 years ago, maintaining everything from broken pieces of stuff to velocities between saves. I get from a development perspective that it's probably difficult to do, but given how long the levels are why would they think neglecting this feature entirely would be a good idea? HolyKrap fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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HolyKrap posted:How are rogue-likes relevant here? ... I edited my post ( didn't realize how long the levels were), yeah they need check points at least. Of course tracking every object and saving it's state is possible but extremely complicated and error prone. My statement was doing that would likely have reduced the scope of the game either through the work, or causing them to choose to do less ambitious things with physics/breakables. I thought the levels were like 15 minutes long once you knew what you were doing, but 2 hours if you were just messing around or looking for collectibles. Yeah just checkpoints for major actions/various location and reset the world should be easy enough to implement. They have taken the feedback and will likely come up with something pretty soon. The think that has surprised me most is that they have an IK head. Not having a head move/rotate without specific user intention (so that their brain can prepared for it) is the THE NUMBER ONE VR rule. This probably is one of the worst games for motion sickness thats come out recently.
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Stick100 posted:I edited my post ( didn't realize how long the levels were), yeah they need check points at least. Of course tracking every object and saving it's state is possible but extremely complicated and error prone. My statement was doing that would likely have reduced the scope of the game either through the work, or causing them to choose to do less ambitious things with physics/breakables. "Leave inventory on player, reset all physics objects on save (In save file, not live game obviously)". Yeah sure, if you wander backwards you can probably exploit that and get extra poo poo but w/e.
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Stick100 posted:Oh come on, not having a mid level save is not the end of the world. People play rouge-likes that go for an hour without a save and the world hasn't ended. Setting aside the (very important) fact that the most popular games of that genre don't require hardware that is notorious for making many people feel ill and need breaks, there are roguelikes/lites that save your progress, with the caveat that you can only pick up right back where you saved. Slay the Spire, FTL, and Into the Breach, for example. So that's not even a hard and fast rule for the RL genre.
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Lemming posted:Extremely situational as to which is better
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Echo VR would be distinctly worse with floating hands. The arm ik in it is extremely immersive for me.
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Stick100 posted:If you have a proper cable and a proper computer you can play both via Oculus Link. I have a proper computer, I haven’t figured out what the proper cable is yet. I will definitely try the Link stuff at some point. I was really excited to play lots of stuff on the quest and ya it quickly dawned on me how much of what I thought was on there actually needs a PC. Oh well a reason to revisit steam sales
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mashed_penguin posted:Echo VR would be distinctly worse with floating hands. The arm ik in it is extremely immersive for me. Exactly, plus to expand on Echo, since it's a competitive multiplayer game, you need to be able to see your own body so you know what other people are seeing and interacting with. A higher level tactic is to physically turn your body around, it will pull your legs in a little and this can often be the difference between an opponent being able to catch you and them not being able to. Without that IK and body presence, this wouldn't be possible (ok technically you could watch the behavior of the IK on other players' bodies and see they tuck in if they turned and know that that's what would be happening to your body even if it was invisible but you know what I mean).
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I have a proper computer, I haven’t figured out what the proper cable is yet. I will definitely try the Link stuff at some point. Keep trying USB A -> C and USB C->C cables and your different ports, you'll eventually find a combination that works at some point. Unfortunately they required a cable that can transfer power and USB 3.0 data at the same time. It's pretty rare and requires the heaviest cable I have. I have about 12 cables and only one works. Could have used any cable but then you'd have to stop and charge every once in awhile I really hope they change over to use easier to source cables. Some things I figured out for Oculus Link: The Vive Link box can be used as a powered extension. The Vive 3-1 cable does NOT work as a link cable with a female A to female A connector + valid cable. Stick100 fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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PantsBandit posted:It's not backseat game dev to say "this dev team probably could've found a way to include this extremely basic feature that every other game manages to do" actually my friend is an engineer that worked on boneworks and they specifically chose to not have a save feature for very good security reasons and your post made them feel bad
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Stick100 posted:Keep trying USB A -> C and USB C->C cables and your different ports, you'll eventually find a combination that works at some point. Unfortunately they required a cable that can transfer power and USB 3.0 data at the same time. It's pretty rare and requires the heaviest cable I have. I have about 12 cables and only one works. Could have used any cable but then you'd have to stop and charge every once in awhile I really hope they change over to use easier to source cables. Vive link box is so clutch. Its basically a free extension to any headset that'll plug into it.
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Got my Quest in tonight. Superhot is definitely 1000% better with actual hand tracking instead of trying to use the loving PS Move controllers. I just got to the drop. I was not expecting them to do that haha, had to slightly remove my headset for a sec to readjust. Looking forward to trying more stuff out!
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Hellsau posted:actually my friend is an engineer that worked on boneworks and they specifically chose to not have a save feature for very good security reasons and your post made them feel bad lmao Also of course everybody is expecting the boneworks guys to have top-notch security, unlike Valve. So they HAVE to! YOU PRICK!
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Just got my index controllers. They're good for some games and kind of lovely for others. Espire 1 is infinitely better, but H3's default control scheme sucks.
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Zaphod42 posted:lmao Unit24 posted:Just got my index controllers. They're good for some games and kind of lovely for others. Espire 1 is infinitely better, but H3's default control scheme sucks.
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Use Armswinger movement in H3VR. It's much more fun.
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Ralith posted:What's any of this hypothetically have to do with security, of all things? It's a single player game! Read the past few pages before Boneworks came out. Or, better yet, don't!
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Ralith posted:What's any of this hypothetically have to do with security, of all things? It's a single player game! We're referring to a previous post ITT which was a bit much. Its an in-joke which should have been clear from the "YOU PRICK" in all caps out of nowhere. I suggested that Oculus should let you install to any drive in your computer, and someone called me a prick because apparently their friend worked for oculus on the installer and read some mean things on twitter and took it personally and that was somehow my fault 
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Zaphod42 posted:We're referring to a previous post ITT which was a bit much. Its an in-joke which should have been clear from the "YOU PRICK" in all caps out of nowhere. Oh, I didn't recall that anyone was making security rationalizations for that whole debacle. That's at least marginally more plausible, if still ultimately dumb.
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Zaphod42 posted:We're referring to a previous post ITT which was a bit much. Its an in-joke which should have been clear from the "YOU PRICK" in all caps out of nowhere. This is the only thread on the forums that might have worse takes than a YouTube comment section. Not just once either, consistently. Daily even. It’s unreal
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:This is the only thread on the forums that might have worse takes than a YouTube comment section. Not just once either, consistently. Daily even. By our powers combined... 
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Really was only a matter of time, but if you are logged into Facebook, Oculus VR data will be used for ads soon. https://uploadvr.com/facebook-ads-vr/
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somethingawful bf posted:Really was only a matter of time, but if you are logged into Facebook, Oculus VR data will be used for ads soon. Never log into Facebook? Okay can do.
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Hellsau posted:Never log into Facebook? Okay can do. Yeah even my facebook/oculus apologetic rear end does not have my facebook linked to my quest/oculus stuff. Newp.
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somethingawful bf posted:Really was only a matter of time, but if you are logged into Facebook, Oculus VR data will be used for ads soon. I love the language Facebook is using here; "No, you don't need to integrate your Oculus account with a Facebook account yet, but you DO need a Facebook account for all these key features we're adding or revising so you'll have to do it to use them anyway!" UploadVR also just does not have much of a clue on what they're talking about, because they just zero in on "can they look through your cameras at your room??" instead of any of the real money-makers like biometric metadata. RoadToVR's article on the same topic has a better long-term take on the situation. Hellsau posted:Never log into Facebook? Okay can do. Not gonna matter in the long-run; quote:Not only that, but Facebook says it will eventually also require you to sign in to use existing social features such as joining parties, adding friends, and visiting other people’s Oculus Homes—things you can already do now with basic set of Oculus login credentials, which are critically not tied to your personal identity. Neddy Seagoon fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Dec 12, 2019 |
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so what you're saying is make a fake facebook account sooner than later, got it
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Use Armswinger movement in H3VR. It's much more fun. That would destroy my arthritis ridden arms in a hurry. My issue isn't with movement, it's with picking things up and operating them. Feels like I have to grip weirdly tight to hold onto things. And using the trackpads to grab stuff from a distance/eject mags is more intuitive when they're bigger and clickier.
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Facebook doing scummy poo poo? I am shocked, SHOCKED! Maybe the real VR was learning how to smash capitalism.
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Unit24 posted:That would destroy my arthritis ridden arms in a hurry. I ended up making a custom control layout to use the buttons for some of that stuff. It's a little clunky by default.
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I found I tended to grip far harder than necessary by instinct, and have mostly been able to make myself relax.
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