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HerniaFlange posted:Yeah, in hindsight I shouldn't have mentioned it at all in this thread, sorry. Just wanted to make the Charlie Sheen joke. Nah it's my punishment for really liking to watch bad movies, all good EDIT: On topic, Seth looks cool, I should do the tutorial cuz I still don't totally understand V skills and V meters and stuff FrostyPox fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Neo Rasa posted:Samurai Shodown series and both Last Blades fuckin' rule. This post rules and you rule
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mango sentinel posted:I liked Calamity Trigger because I could just scumbag people with broken Arakune and win.
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Arakune and Nu are just taking cover fire for the real dirt that was CT Carl. Let him get close enough to you in the air and you've already lost.
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I can't believe Seth is trans
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:The online's worthless, though. i doubt it too, but i just had fun futzing around with it on my vita a bunch. it worked weirdly well as a handheld fighter
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FrostyPox posted:
It's basically a gore effect reel, that guy's way overselling it It's not really worth checking out unless you're into that, but "genuine detriment to society" is a little much for what basically amounts to an effects guy padding his resume
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Dec 16, 2019 05:06
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Look how they massacred my boy.
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counterpoint: 'seth was never male, they were just inhabiting a male body' is a great explanation not changing the va is an interesting choice too
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Endorph posted:Not changing the VA is an interesting choice too This is what actually saves it for me. I wanted to roll my eyes at it initially because we're gonna make Dr Manhattan another 'step on me' Juri waifu? Meh. But keeping the burly mad science dude voice twists it back to still being Seth enough that it's cool.
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Endorph posted:counterpoint: 'seth was never male, they were just inhabiting a male body' is a great explanation
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Endorph posted:counterpoint: 'seth was never male, they were just inhabiting a male body' is a great explanation Seeing all the confused reactions to the trailer is pretty funny, too, like this is some new concept for SF. Hell, wasn't part of the reason Dictator kept Cammy around was to use her as a backup body in case something happened to him?
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Shinji2015 posted:Seeing all the confused reactions to the trailer is pretty funny, too, like this is some new concept for SF. Hell, wasn't part of the reason Dictator kept Cammy around was to use her as a backup body in case something happened to him? I think he actually did bodyjack her between alpha 3 and sf 2. Also this dynamic is why Cammy has a Dictator alternate costume in both IV and V.
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iirc rose was also an alternate body for bison gone rogue
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Shinji2015 posted:Seeing all the confused reactions to the trailer is pretty funny, too, like this is some new concept for SF. Hell, wasn't part of the reason Dictator kept Cammy around was to use her as a backup body in case something happened to him? if theres anything people love, its performing confusion whenever something vaguely outside of gender norms happens, even though stuff like this has been an insanely common theme in storytelling basically forever
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Endorph posted:if theres anything people love, its performing confusion whenever something vaguely outside of gender norms happens, even though stuff like this has been an insanely common theme in storytelling basically forever I've heard that LTG was "confused" about the body - voice thing, but considering he's already been a garbage rear end transphobe previously, I couldn't be bothered to see what was actually said.
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Hey, real noob question here, but I've been reading/watching some guides and I keep hearing stuff like "This move is -8", "This move is +1". The hell do those numbers mean? The full context was "[Move] is somewhat safe on block and -8 with minor pushback"
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FrostyPox posted:Hey, real noob question here, but I've been reading/watching some guides and I keep hearing stuff like "This move is -8", "This move is +1". That's what people call framedata. Roughly, plus and minus moves mean how quick your move recovers relative to the opponent's reaction, be it blocking or getting hit. So let's say you do a move that's -3 on block. If you try to use a move that takes 3 frames to come out after they block that (that's a fast jab in SF), you're gonna lose to anything that starts up in 5 or 6 frames, depending on the game. You should assume that being minus is bad and being plus is good. -8 on block being somewhat safe feels like it's a Tekken thing?
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It's referring to frame advantage/disadvantage. If a move is plus on block, that means if you attack an opponent and they block it, you are able to act before the opponent gets out of blockstun. So if a move is +1 on block, that means if your opponent blocks that move, you get to act 1 frame before they do. So you're safe, and could follow up with a fast move, but a big slow move your opponent could be able to interrupt with a fast attack, since you only are getting to act 1 frame before them. If a move is -8 on block, your move has a long enough recovery period after it lands that your opponent leaves blockstun 8 frames before you are able to act. So if they use an attack that takes 8 frames or less to hit, you won't be able to block it because you're still in recovery. Perhaps if the move also pushes them back far enough, none of their moves that are that fast will be in range.
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Dias posted:That's what people call framedata. Roughly, plus and minus moves mean how quick your move recovers relative to the opponent's reaction, be it blocking or getting hit. So let's say you do a move that's -3 on block. If you try to use a move that takes 3 frames to come out after they block that (that's a fast jab in SF), you're gonna lose to anything that starts up in 5 or 6 frames, depending on the game. You should assume that being minus is bad and being plus is good. -8 on block being somewhat safe feels like it's a Tekken thing? Ah, I see. Thanks! It was actually related to Scarecrow in Injustice 2
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FrostyPox posted:Hey, real noob question here, but I've been reading/watching some guides and I keep hearing stuff like "This move is -8", "This move is +1". It's frame data, representing if you can act sooner, later, or at the same time as your opponent when the current attack/block animations are over. The number is the 1/60ths of a second of time you have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtfdx3sZE18
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FrostyPox posted:Ah, I see. Thanks! Ah, that makes sense. Framedata is a weird thing to read at first, and it varies depending on the game. SF usually has anything that's -4 or under being unsafe, moves that most characters can punish with a combo, but Tekken is a bit slower so you have to be at least -11 for a move to be punishable. NRS games are a weird mix between 2D and 3D games, I think the earliest a move is unsafe is -6? -8 with pushback probably gets you away from faster, short-ranged buttons, so that's why they called it "somewhat safe".
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Dias posted:Ah, that makes sense. Framedata is a weird thing to read at first, and it varies depending on the game. SF usually has anything that's -4 or under being unsafe, moves that most characters can punish with a combo, but Tekken is a bit slower so you have to be at least -11 for a move to be punishable. NRS games are a weird mix between 2D and 3D games, I think the earliest a move is unsafe is -6? -8 with pushback probably gets you away from faster, short-ranged buttons, so that's why they called it "somewhat safe". In MK11 the fastest two pokes in the game are 6f but practically speaking anything -6 or lower is safe, and some higher negative moves give enough pushback on block that they're effectively unpunishable anyway.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:It's basically a gore effect reel, that guy's way overselling it Yeah they were meant less to be a movie and more to be a video resume of special effects and/or stunts like Battle Girl: Living Dead in Tokyo Bay or Batman: Dead End.
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Yardbomb posted:I've heard that LTG was "confused" about the body - voice thing, but considering he's already been a garbage rear end transphobe previously, I couldn't be bothered to see what was actually said. LTG also says the most homosexual things ever and tries to pass it off as "nuh uh if you thought what I said was gay, you're gay!" (he literally depicted a graphic scenario in which he wanted to commit sexual assault on someone with the help of his "disciples" just because he got beat in a online Street Fighter match). There's... just a lot of reasons why one shouldn't pay LTG any mind or attention, especially in late 2019. But I am geniunelly excited for this Seth; it's a more unique and engaging design choice than "bald gray person with a yin-yang for a stomach", I still get to hear Michael McConnohie ham it up, and the play style looks pretty extravagant comparison to my boring-rear end Cammy.
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Archer666 posted:I think he actually did bodyjack her between alpha 3 and sf 2. Also this dynamic is why Cammy has a Dictator alternate costume in both IV and V. I have to be a nerd and correct you here, It was actually Rose he bodyjacked due to the fact the she possesses/is the good part of his soul he purged from himself when he went full evil. https://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters3/rose-bisoncap.jpg
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dear capcom please have rose possessed by bison next time she appears so norio wakamoto can voice act her too
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Zand posted:iirc rose was also an alternate body for bison gone rogue Nah she was just some fortune teller that just happened to share a soul with M Bison. She got possessed by him for a while but wasn't part of the Doll program.
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Dias posted:Ah, that makes sense. Framedata is a weird thing to read at first, and it varies depending on the game. SF usually has anything that's -4 or under being unsafe, moves that most characters can punish with a combo, but Tekken is a bit slower so you have to be at least -11 for a move to be punishable. NRS games are a weird mix between 2D and 3D games, I think the earliest a move is unsafe is -6? -8 with pushback probably gets you away from faster, short-ranged buttons, so that's why they called it "somewhat safe". Minor correction but -10 is the punishment threshold in Tekken, everybody has at least a tiny jab string or quick headbutt or something that comes out in 10 frames. -9 and higher is safe
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Mr.Flibble posted:I have to be a nerd and correct you here, It was actually Rose he bodyjacked due to the fact the she possesses/is the good part of his soul he purged from himself when he went full evil. They retconned that since the last time I looked then. Cause I remember one of the older art books having art of Cammy with Dictators cap sitting on his throne.
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In Training posted:Minor correction but -10 is the punishment threshold in Tekken, everybody has at least a tiny jab string or quick headbutt or something that comes out in 10 frames. -9 and higher is safe You aren't going to punish a -10 move reliably even with jabs.
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It's hard but it's possible
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All this lore chat makes me realize I kinda like that fighting games have story modes with actual story, even if it's silly poo poo like a factory where they're putting ninja brains in cyborg bodies. The last fighting game I played before all this was Soul Calibur 1 on the Dreamcast and IIRC pretty much the only in-game story was "People really want the big magic sword" though it's been a loooooooooooong time since I played it I'm an enormous loving nerd for world building FrostyPox fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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The Incels Are At It Again
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FrostyPox posted:I'm an enormous loving nerd for world building If you want to break your brain, go through all of the BlazBlue stories from start to finish
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MechaX posted:If you want to break your brain, go through all of the BlazBlue stories from start to finish No, maybe start with something simpler, like Finnegans Wake. Race Realists posted:The Incels Are At It Again What?
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FrostyPox posted:I'm an enormous loving nerd for world building Check out SNK games, a bunch of interconnected continuity that spans decades of in-game time and a good chunk of it focuses on a single city before you even get into the world is at stake King of Fighters stuff. SNK made a 80s homage game in Art of Fighting/Art of Fighting 2 that's also a prequel to their Fatal Fury games, waaaaay ahead of the curve with this stuff. Someone made a great effort post earlier in the thread but SNK really was incredible right out of the gate with the Neo Geo and getting you to like their characters and their backstories and stuff. Even, way before anyone else, having tons of character specific dialogue and pre-fight animations and stuff like that unique to certain characters, it's awesome. So even if they didn't have something like a story mode as we know it now with something like the MK games you still got a lot out of them character development wise just from the in-game stuff.
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