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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

red versus blue isnt a movie and it wasnt made by people with any kind of military experience but i heard it was really popular with troops who strongly identified with its deep message of standing around and shooting the poo poo in between moments of bumbling terror regarding an unexplained mission that makes no sense

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Reverend Dr
Feb 9, 2005

Thanks Reverend

lol watchmen fuckin sucks so bad

7th cavalry wants to do a racist superman, a lot of monologing about how they stumbled into their plan because the writing was so bad they didn't even foreshadow any of it
trieu activates her trap card because all along it was her plan to interrupt them because she wants to do a narcissist superman/god
she vaporizes all of 7th cavalry, in some anti-climatic bullshit
manhattan teleports blake, ozymandias, and looking glass (lol ozymandias was on earth the whole time, he was saved years ago and kept in a statue, that whole plot arc was in the past) to antarctica and he rains frozen squids destroying a lot of tulsa in the process

lol can't end it there with manhattan's power gone forever, where is our big strong daddy? so maybe sister night ate an egg that gave her the powers, lol we don't know they don't have the loving conviction to end on anything other than the loving cliffhanger from inception

show sucks, only reason it exists is because manhattan can only get hard for his co-worker's daughers

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Some Guy TT posted:

red versus blue isnt a movie and it wasnt made by people with any kind of military experience but i heard it was really popular with troops who strongly identified with its deep message of standing around and shooting the poo poo in between moments of bumbling terror regarding an unexplained mission that makes no sense

:goonsay: the guy who plays grif was in the army for five years

Serf
May 5, 2011


god drat the ending of watchmen sucked so bad. i decided to give it until the very end before making a call and its just plain bad

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
I assumed the show was "Watchmen for the Marvel crowd" but I guess it's even worse than that

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Lmao that twist that a huge part of the show is actually in the past is just Westworld but way dymber

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

did anyone in watchmen have an actual goal or was everybody just so hell bent on gaining godly powers they didnt even stop to ask why they wanted them

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

since a lot of the new Watchman was about US racism did they doing anything with the US annexation of Vietnam?

not gonna watch the show but I need a take on it

Reverend Dr
Feb 9, 2005

Thanks Reverend

everything the show claimed "to be about" occurred during specific tour guided time and places, racism against blacks only existed in hooded justice's past or when the cavalry were present, vietnamese animosity towards the us only happened in a flashback. once outside of each theme's "designated time and place" those themes completely disappeared.

the most succinct summation of how the show handled all of those themes is "liberal performance"

the hooded justice episode, if taken alone, is absolutely loving fantastic, but then the show moves on and everything in the story of that episode becomes immediately irrelevant

edit: about the vietnamese annexation itself absolutely nothing direct. in older flashbacks there was a suicide bombing (relevant to main character), some scenes with orphans doing sweatshop work (also relevant to main character), and then in the present nothing explored it was just a set piece

Reverend Dr has issued a correction as of 06:57 on Dec 16, 2019

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Atrocious Joe posted:

since a lot of the new Watchman was about US racism did they doing anything with the US annexation of Vietnam?

not gonna watch the show but I need a take on it

Nope

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Some Guy TT posted:

red versus blue isnt a movie and it wasnt made by people with any kind of military experience but i heard it was really popular with troops who strongly identified with its deep message of standing around and shooting the poo poo in between moments of bumbling terror regarding an unexplained mission that makes no sense

Yeah people in the canadian mil knew it, some liked it. I might have, but oh boy, does it ever not hold up.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:

I don't think they exist at all post 9/11. The last one I can think of is Small Soldiers lmao

Small Soldiers whips rear end

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Some Guy TT posted:

red versus blue isnt a movie and it wasnt made by people with any kind of military experience but i heard it was really popular with troops who strongly identified with its deep message of standing around and shooting the poo poo in between moments of bumbling terror regarding an unexplained mission that makes no sense

Red vs Blue got bad when it started trying to do actual plot with arca and poo poo and stopped just being about idiots loving around until things happened

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Some Guy TT posted:

did anyone in watchmen have an actual goal or was everybody just so hell bent on gaining godly powers they didnt even stop to ask why they wanted them

This actually sounds like a pretty good premise for a comic book

Supergod is basically 'Every nation on Earth tries to make their own Dr Manhattan, each goes catastrophically wrong in different ways'. It ain't great but it's interesting.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

i say swears online posted:

it's probably symptomatic of a larger problem that theres been virtually zero media involving Afghanistan the last 18 years

Weirdly enough the only thing I can think of is MGSV. And even that's a period piece.

Serf
May 5, 2011


love how they just forget to tie up the loose end with lube man. he was obviously laurie's skinny little partner but the fact that they just drop that plot thread entirely is just sloppy

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

Serf posted:

love how they just forget to tie up the loose end with lube man. he was obviously laurie's skinny little partner but the fact that they just drop that plot thread entirely is just sloppy

dont worry its aluded towards in the final piece of supplemental material on the hbo website!!! a form of storytelling that will absolutely withstand the test of time!!!

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

i liked the looking glass ep, the hooded justice ep was fun and jeremy iron's performance was good but in hindsight there was never a plot or stakes or tension

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
lube man sounds like a great superhero ngl

Serf
May 5, 2011


also you have stuff like red scare, pirate jenny, the panda headed guy etc. all completely irrelevant. you could have replaced them all with generic cops and lost nothing

Farm Frenzy posted:

i liked the looking glass ep, the hooded justice ep was fun and jeremy iron's performance was good but in hindsight there was never a plot or stakes or tension

yeah, i agree with this

also just lol that the kkk guys never say anything racist, nor do they really ever do anything racist. for a show that really wants to be about racism, it never actually takes the time to show the racist villains doing racist poo poo.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

racism is a state of mind not based in words or action which is how we know bernie is racist

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

i cant wait until lube man busts 76 year old laurie blake and 80 year old adrian veidt out of a federal supermax at the start (not explained until four episodes later) of watchmen season 2, so they can go on another adventure involving dr manhattan

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Ghost Leviathan posted:

This actually sounds like a pretty good premise for a comic book

Supergod is basically 'Every nation on Earth tries to make their own Dr Manhattan, each goes catastrophically wrong in different ways'. It ain't great but it's interesting.

Please don't act like people should read Warren Ellis books at avatar

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk


do any of the characters in the show ever get the chance to take adrian to task about being a mass murdering psychopath who killed several million people on the pre-text that it would save multiple million more from dying, but there was no concrete evidence outside his own diseased brain that ww3 was objectively going to happen, and in committing his heinous act he basically assured that ww3 happened but on his own very specific terms, which is not itself a better or "good" outcome just because he was the mastermind behind the whole thing

because i feel like the original series ends on the idea that adrian is an ubermensch that has made hard choices and shoulders a burden that only he can comprehend but it was actually an objectively good thing for him to do and earth is lucky to have him in charge. since the comic ends right after his big moment, there's no room to explore the consequences of his actions outside vague "US and USSR begin peace talks amid tragedy!" and it kind of nebulously underscores the idea that he was right and good. the main thing i wanted from the HBO series was for adrian to be held accountable for being a monster, and it seemed like maybe that was happening with him being trapped in space jail, but i quit watching after the fourth episode and everything i've read about the rest of the series doesn't really mention what happens with him specifically

Serf
May 5, 2011


Freaking Crumbum posted:

do any of the characters in the show ever get the chance to take adrian to task about being a mass murdering psychopath who killed several million people on the pre-text that it would save multiple million more from dying, but there was no concrete evidence outside his own diseased brain that ww3 was objectively going to happen, and in committing his heinous act he basically assured that ww3 happened but on his own very specific terms, which is not itself a better or "good" outcome just because he was the mastermind behind the whole thing

because i feel like the original series ends on the idea that adrian is an ubermensch that has made hard choices and shoulders a burden that only he can comprehend but it was actually an objectively good thing for him to do and earth is lucky to have him in charge. since the comic ends right after his big moment, there's no room to explore the consequences of his actions outside vague "US and USSR begin peace talks amid tragedy!" and it kind of nebulously underscores the idea that he was right and good. the main thing i wanted from the HBO series was for adrian to be held accountable for being a monster, and it seemed like maybe that was happening with him being trapped in space jail, but i quit watching after the fourth episode and everything i've read about the rest of the series doesn't really mention what happens with him specifically

at the end of the show laurie and looking glass arrest veidt and have his on-camera confession. laurie says some dumbfuck bullshit about how the fbi will gladly arrest the president and all the congressmen and senators for being complicit, despite the fact that logically the fbi director would also have to be in on the conspiracy

Serf
May 5, 2011


https://twitter.com/_flowerguardian/status/1206574904805642240?s=20

the only contention i have here is that doctor manhattan is not black, he's wearing a black man's body which is a whole other issue of weird hosed up poo poo to get into

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

Freaking Crumbum posted:

do any of the characters in the show ever get the chance to take adrian to task about being a mass murdering psychopath who killed several million people on the pre-text that it would save multiple million more from dying, but there was no concrete evidence outside his own diseased brain that ww3 was objectively going to happen, and in committing his heinous act he basically assured that ww3 happened but on his own very specific terms, which is not itself a better or "good" outcome just because he was the mastermind behind the whole thing

because i feel like the original series ends on the idea that adrian is an ubermensch that has made hard choices and shoulders a burden that only he can comprehend but it was actually an objectively good thing for him to do and earth is lucky to have him in charge. since the comic ends right after his big moment, there's no room to explore the consequences of his actions outside vague "US and USSR begin peace talks amid tragedy!" and it kind of nebulously underscores the idea that he was right and good. the main thing i wanted from the HBO series was for adrian to be held accountable for being a monster, and it seemed like maybe that was happening with him being trapped in space jail, but i quit watching after the fourth episode and everything i've read about the rest of the series doesn't really mention what happens with him specifically

the last two hours of watchmen are basically a series of continually interrupted supervillain monologues intended to address questions like this instead of resolving the plot

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
You guys got owned by another terrible "remember alan moore" product made by the #1 stupidest TV and movie guy of all time, Damian Lindoff.

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Freaking Crumbum posted:

because i feel like the original series ends on the idea that adrian is an ubermensch that has made hard choices and shoulders a burden that only he can comprehend but it was actually an objectively good thing for him to do and earth is lucky to have him in charge. since the comic ends right after his big moment, there's no room to explore the consequences of his actions outside vague "US and USSR begin peace talks amid tragedy!" and it kind of nebulously underscores the idea that he was right and good. the main thing i wanted from the HBO series was for adrian to be held accountable for being a monster, and it seemed like maybe that was happening with him being trapped in space jail, but i quit watching after the fourth episode and everything i've read about the rest of the series doesn't really mention what happens with him specifically

Why don't you try being smarter are reading stuff you loving moron

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

You guys got owned by another terrible "remember alan moore" product made by the #1 stupidest TV and movie guy of all time, Damian Lindoff.

i went in with low expectations but they fell below them

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Serf posted:

the only contention i have here is that doctor manhattan is not black, he's wearing a black man's body which is a whole other issue of weird hosed up poo poo to get into

trans racialism really makes you think :thunk:

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

6 episodes in and Mandalorian is still a show about nothing. :thumbsup:

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

6 episodes in and Mandalorian is still a show about nothing. :thumbsup:

Mandalorian is my first interaction with the Disney Star Wars machine and it is extremely adequate. Then I watched the JJ Abrams movie and it was also fine. Then I saw the Rian Johnson movie and it was 152 minutes long and was like the editor and the director are parents having a waspy low key argument during a dinner party because they don’t want the kids to know.

SPEAKING OF RIAN JOHNSON, I saw Knives Out this weekend and its great. He should never try to fit himself into a mega budget Shared Universe thing again.

ElNarez
Nov 4, 2009

Serf posted:

https://twitter.com/_flowerguardian/status/1206574904805642240?s=20

the only contention i have here is that doctor manhattan is not black, he's wearing a black man's body which is a whole other issue of weird hosed up poo poo to get into

you could also read that whole sequence of events as "Manhattan isn't poo poo in the face of white supremacy, white supremacists aren't poo poo in the face of the trillionaires, and trillionaires aren't poo poo in the face of an old white rear end in a top hat with a god complex, and that's the story of Power in America"

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


AnimeIsTrash posted:

6 episodes in and Mandalorian is still a show about nothing. :thumbsup:

so its a step up from the movies?

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

duz posted:

so its a step up from the movies?

I'd argue that Brick is the only good movie he has ever made

Serf
May 5, 2011


https://twitter.com/ben_towle/status/1206582441214918656?s=20

Big Mad Drongo
Nov 10, 2006

mysterious frankie posted:

SPEAKING OF RIAN JOHNSON, I saw Knives Out this weekend and its great. He should never try to fit himself into a mega budget Shared Universe thing again.

I was about to bring this up, I really appreciate that (pretty big plot spoiler) the rich family is super supportive of Marta, calls her part of the family, lets her know that they'll take care of her financially even after he dies, and the moment they find out she gets the inheritance instead of them they put aside their political differences and form a united front against her. With the person who offered the most vocal support being the one that betrays her the hardest

Serf
May 5, 2011


Big Mad Drongo posted:

I was about to bring this up, I really appreciate that (pretty big plot spoiler) the rich family is super supportive of Marta, calls her part of the family, lets her know that they'll take care of her financially even after he dies, and the moment they find out she gets the inheritance instead of them they put aside their political differences and form a united front against her. With the person who offered the most vocal support being the one that betrays her the hardest

i liked that the shithead don johnson character quotes loving hamilton but is later (earlier chronologically) seen saying some racist poo poo

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Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008



Big Mad Drongo posted:

I was about to bring this up, I really appreciate that (pretty big plot spoiler) the rich family is super supportive of Marta, calls her part of the family, lets her know that they'll take care of her financially even after he dies, and the moment they find out she gets the inheritance instead of them they put aside their political differences and form a united front against her. With the person who offered the most vocal support being the one that betrays her the hardest

"super supportive, part of the family" but she drives a broken down hyundai and lives in a lovely apartment

edit: the other good part was they slow mo "come in here marta hang out with the family" clip that was shown over and over and then finally the context was "loving ILLEGAL MEXICANS MARTA COME IN HERE AND TELL ME I'M RIGHT ABOUT THE LAZY MEXICANS" and the fact that literally everyone said a different country for her origin including ecuador and brazil

Peanut President has issued a correction as of 18:44 on Dec 16, 2019

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