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Terrible Opinions posted:No it's far less disagreeable than that. It's that capitalists will always assist in fascist murder. I'm just quoting Daisy Ridley from an interview there. I honestly don't remember any consistent theme around that or a lot of other things. TBH my biggest complaint about TLJ is that it was the Shadow the Hedgehog of Star Wars, cynical but without any depth to it.
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Casey Finnigan posted:I just hope that if this latest Star Wars movie bombs, they just give up on these ridiculous trilogies and make more media that actually makes use of the Star Wars setting, in a way that doesn't make the Star Wars galaxy feel shoebox-sized and completely obsessed with the Skywalker family. Nah. The messages coming out of the house of mouse make it sound like they realize trilogies are a bad idea at least for a while and are aiming for a longish break mixed with mandalorian stuff.
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NovemberMike posted:I'm just quoting Daisy Ridley from an interview there. I honestly don't remember any consistent theme around that or a lot of other things. TBH my biggest complaint about TLJ is that it was the Shadow the Hedgehog of Star Wars, cynical but without any depth to it. calling the last jedi cynical is so incorrect I literally don't know where to start? tlj is a deeply uncynical movie, to the point that the only cynical characters are villains. there's several consistent themes even??? like, rose literally says one of the main themes out loud it's not even subtext??? Kelly Marie Tran, practically speaking directly to the audience posted:That's how we're gonna win. Not by fighting what we hate. But saving what we love.
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Alaois posted:hang on i've somehow gone this long having never seen the rian johnson star wars movie, were people confused about whether or not a character played by Benicio Del Toro was a bad guy? No it’s more that they don’t understand that the things bad guys say are not supposed to be agreed with
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egg tats posted:calling the last jedi cynical is so incorrect I literally don't know where to start? tlj is a deeply uncynical movie, to the point that the only cynical characters are villains. there's several consistent themes even??? like, rose literally says one of the main themes out loud it's not even subtext??? It's cynical because everything they were doing with those speeders was meaningless. They were doing all of this stuff, a bunch of them died and it was just "oh, you thought you could accomplish something? wrong". It's not even particularly coherent since it comes after the space lady suicided bombed the bad guys. TBH a bit of it felt like "oh, you're a black guy that thinks he can do something heroic in this movie? nothing personnel kid"
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a cartoon duck posted:jaws was never my scene and i don't like star wars Then explain this  
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Release The Abrams Cut of The Rise of Skywalker!  edit: Wait, why am I a "Cybernetic Crumb" now?
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:TFA and TLJ are both mediocre to poo poo movies for the same reason expressed differently, Rogue One is a hot mess as a result of Disney getting cold feet after realizing that their winter tentpole focused on a member of space ISIS, Solo is a ratfucked mess, and Rise of Skywalker is going to be a complete loving shitpile. while I'm not gonna share the confirmed rumors here, suffice to say that the film has powerful Pirates of the Caribbean 3 energy by all accounts. Pirates of the Caribbean 1-3: Lowly farmhand with a mysterious past gets the call to adventure to rescue a princess. Along the way he meets a swaggering captain with an actual personality and the damsel turns out to kick butt, plus the ship's crew is rounded out by some muscle and comic relief. Also he discovers his father is a mystical bad guy but actually in thrall to a more powerful mystical bad guy. Meanwhile there's a more earthly concern about this empire with a superweapon. At the end of movie 2, all hope is lost after swaggering captain guy gets imprisoned because he owes a debt to a slug monster thingy over his legendarily fast ship. Don't worry, with the help of a former enemy they manage to rescue the captain at the beginning of episode 3 from his desert prison, the farmhand's father redeems himself in sacrifice to save the son and the damsel ends up leading a whole fleet against the evil Empire. I'm pretty sure there's enough Star Wars energy in PotC to go around.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aanyjLmB1Bs What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
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MonsieurChoc posted:The Lucas Cut will be the new Snyder Cut. gonna ask my barber for the Lucas Cut
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a cartoon duck posted:What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
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Rey's misshapen head was actually the result of a secret tryst between her mother and a Jedi. https://twitter.com/mrfeelswildride/status/1203075612488810502
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Viewtiful Jew posted:Rey's misshapen head was actually the result of a secret tryst between her mother and a Jedi. So list of Disney characters who gently caress: 1: Goofy 2: Ki-Adi-Mundi
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EndOfTheWorld posted:Release The Abrams Cut of The Rise of Skywalker! those titles are based on the amount you donate to lowtax
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NovemberMike posted:It's cynical because everything they were doing with those speeders was meaningless. They were doing all of this stuff, a bunch of them died and it was just "oh, you thought you could accomplish something? wrong". It's not even particularly coherent since it comes after the space lady suicided bombed the bad guys.
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Alaois posted:hang on i've somehow gone this long having never seen the rian johnson star wars movie, were people confused about whether or not a character played by Benicio Del Toro was a bad guy? Every day I become more and more convinced that I watch a different movie from everyone else.
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Ghostlight posted:yeah it's incoherent that after someone sacrificing themselves to stop the bad guys finn is like "I'll sacrifice myself to stop the bad guys!" and rose is all "hey, don't do that it won't work" because they are still fighting the bad guys even after the first sacrifice. instead of scribbling nonsense johnson should have tried to take those two events and tied them together into some kind of statement and just have a character literally announce what it is to the audience. it also didn't help that rose's attempt to stop finn from sacrificing himself was to ram her ship into his and cause both of theirs to crash.
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He starts off saying they're poorly made movies so no.
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Groovelord Neato posted:He starts off saying they're poorly made movies so no. we don't know that hbomb is going to defend the totality of the filmmaking decisions (we probably do know that but I don't want to dig through ancient posts)
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egg tats posted:we don't know that hbomb is going to defend the totality of the filmmaking decisions (we probably do know that but I don't want to dig through ancient posts) Something something, criticism of neoliberalism, something something death of the author
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Ghostlight posted:yeah it's incoherent that after someone sacrificing themselves to stop the bad guys finn is like "I'll sacrifice myself to stop the bad guys!" and rose is all "hey, don't do that it won't work" because they are still fighting the bad guys even after the first sacrifice. instead of scribbling nonsense johnson should have tried to take those two events and tied them together into some kind of statement and just have a character literally announce what it is to the audience. the lesson isnt bad and the movie shows earlier how big brave actions get more people killed on your side than not. the problem is they gently caress up the delivery of that so loving badly. like yeah, gonna crash my ship into yours, hope we both dont die.
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Yet the movie also claims that inaction is just as bad. The deleted scenes with Luke also emphasized this by Luke stating that the galaxy needs people who are willing to confront problems now rather than waiting for when it's convenient.
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It also didn't account for the fact that Holdo's suicide run looked badass and hosed up the bad guys pretty bad (and probably would have outright worked if they hadn't been betrayed). The general point is there, but it winds up so muddled. If nothing else, they should have made it clear that Finn wasn't going to actually make it to the cannon anyway, which I think was what was intended. I also assume that they shook Johnson by the shoulders screaming "But what about HOTH!, we have to do Hoth again too" because that just fucks up the pacing so bad in general that it seems like it couldn't have been part of the original script.
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Casey Finnigan posted:I just hope that if this latest Star Wars movie bombs, they just give up on these ridiculous trilogies and make more media that actually makes use of the Star Wars setting, in a way that doesn't make the Star Wars galaxy feel shoebox-sized and completely obsessed with the Skywalker family.
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:It also didn't account for the fact that Holdo's suicide run looked badass and hosed up the bad guys pretty bad (and probably would have outright worked if they hadn't been betrayed). The general point is there, but it winds up so muddled. If nothing else, they should have made it clear that Finn wasn't going to actually make it to the cannon anyway, which I think was what was intended. The main difference between Holdo’s and Finn’s sacrifices is that for Holdo it was the last resort but for Finn it was his first goto I agree that Finn’s is handled very not great and could’ve been done a lot better but those scenes really don’t contradict each other
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:I also assume that they shook Johnson by the shoulders screaming "But what about HOTH!, we have to do Hoth again too" because that just fucks up the pacing so bad in general that it seems like it couldn't have been part of the original script. I mean, Krait is the scene that ties everything back together. you've got Finn, for the first time really deciding to fight for the resistance and learning the absolute wrong lesson from Holdo. you've got rose keeping Finn from sacrificing himself from nothing (it's not that he was sacrificing himself, it's that there was nothing to be gained from it) you get Poe finally putting his big boy pants and doing some effective leadership. he has to field the totality of his forces because he got most of the rest of them killed. for nothing. and you get Luke, deciding to finally confront the apprentice he failed, so that the only people left in the world that he loves can survive. and you get Kylo, throwing a tantrum and losing, badly. Reys stuff was dealt with earlier. it's ok don't even worry about it. like, I'm not saying you need Krait, but it does a lot of work! and looks incredibly cool. if you just end the movie with holdos maneuver you give your movie a message of "the best you can do is to sacrifice yourself dearly" without any of the "and the most important thing is to defend the people you love.
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IronicDongz posted:I hope they just loving stop altogether and move on to something else Yeah but they won't ever stop so you have to temper your expectations.
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But what about the other big winter blockbuster? https://twitter.com/thelindsayellis/status/1207455189969432577?s=20
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Tired: Rise of Skywalker Reviews and Reactions Wired: CATS Movie Reviews and Reactions https://twitter.com/davidfarrier/status/1207450843844243456?s=20
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Nah. The messages coming out of the house of mouse make it sound like they realize trilogies are a bad idea at least for a while and are aiming for a longish break mixed with mandalorian stuff. That's what I've been seeing as well: while the sequel trilogy hasn't been going over well, offshoots like The Mandalorian and Jedi: Fallen Order seem to have been pretty well received.
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Queer Salutations posted:It's about the Snyder cut which may be worse actually. That sounds cool actually
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Unlucky7 posted:Tired: Rise of Skywalker Reviews and Reactions As I'm reading this, I'm picturing this as Dr. Manhattan in a fursuit on Mars.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HanjD_T-Tgs For some more positive Star Wars chat, Films&Stuff did a video on The Mandalorian.
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Unlucky7 posted:Tired: Rise of Skywalker Reviews and Reactions that legend about stravinsky’s rite of spring where the audience was supposedly so overwhelmed that they instantly turned into a wild panicking mob, but this time its with gyrating cat humanoid asses
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