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RC and Moon Pie posted:Another Blazing Saddles one: I've always wondered about that. I thought it was some kind of magic 8ball thing or similar. Thanks for clearing that up.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:here's something that hosed me up to realize: spittoons were invented in the 19th century. chewing tobacco dates back to prehistory, as it's one of the earliest cultivated non-food crops in the Americas. I've read a few pieces describing how dirty and smelly the palace of Versailles was, as in, they had to create specific rules to say which corridors needed to have all dirt and poop removed each week. I can't find any contemporary accounts to back this up though , so it might be another of those 'everyone drank beer 24 hours a day and never washed' historical facts that everyone just knows. Here's a blog entry about it anyway: http://thisisversaillesmadame.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-lack-of-toilets.html
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BiggerBoat posted:The chain smoking FBI guy in Mindhunter is crazy to watch. Dude is puffing away constantly on airplanes and in restaurants. I don't think he has a scene where he's not smoking The ancient building I work in has an ashtray in the toilet. 
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Pookah posted:I've read a few pieces describing how dirty and smelly the palace of Versailles was, as in, they had to create specific rules to say which corridors needed to have all dirt and poop removed each week. I can't find any contemporary accounts to back this up though , so it might be another of those 'everyone drank beer 24 hours a day and never washed' historical facts that everyone just knows. versailles was pretty filthy but there's a couple of contributing factors here -historic rivalry between england and france where both constantly though the others were god awful pigs who lived in their own filth, this would fix a certain narrative in english language sources. plus all kinds of people in all time periods like hearing stories about french nobles pooping behind great gilded statues -interior hygeine was not great in the 18th century and plumbing was still an expensive and challenging proposition. like six decades after the height of versailles, the river thames in london got so filled with human waste that the entire river rotted and parliament was forced to recess because of the insane odor choking out the central city. the main way to deal with human waste was to pay or force unfortunate poor people to manually haul it all away, which is easier to do if you have some kind of river (versailles did not) or a large underclass labor force (versailles did not) -versailles was an especially hosed up place because it was originally a hunting lodge, then a private residence, then the seat of government and the royal court despite being kind of out in the boonies so anyone who was everyone in power had to be there at basically the king's party mansion in the woods. so there were just way too many people hanging around, because you had the royal family, and all the advisors, and all the courtiers, and all of their servants, and all of the support staff, and then even tourists(!!) who would day trip out from paris to hang out at the king's party mansion so it's not really being a problem of people being too dumb to not slip in their own turds, but rather a specific circumstance of hygiene getting really tricky in the early modern period between the rising population and modern sanitation not yet being practical, as well as the very specific ways that the french royal court worked at that time
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Yeah for all its grandeur one has to remember the Versailles palace wasn't just the royals hanging out there, it had a literal shitload of associated hangers on constantly coming and going. One of the biggest events in the Revolution was the parisians demanding the king (who was briefly a constitutional monarch between the old absolutism and the subsequent  ) move his rear end back to Paris proper instead of running the country from Party Mansion
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Yeah for all its grandeur one has to remember the Versailles palace wasn't just the royals hanging out there, it had a literal shitload of associated hangers on constantly coming and going. Oh god they were jerking off there too?
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Everyone on the The Deuce is smoking non-stop.
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The door test from A Bronx Tale is meta relatable to this subject. "If she doesn't lean over and lift up that button for you, so you can get in, that means she's a selfish broad and all you're seeing is the tip of the iceberg. You dump her and dump her fast." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAJdqzRM6Dw
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Yeah, the kevin james bit about unlocking the door while the other person is pulling on the handle is obsolete too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hypjSaen2ZA Actually, a lot of this whole routine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiurOBQPKsw, the airline checkin counter, the people who leave bad answering machine messages.
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Guy Axlerod posted:Yeah, the kevin james bit about unlocking the door while the other person is pulling on the handle is obsolete too. I had this happen in a 2019 model car literally yesterday?
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Yeah, I guess you could have this problem still if you didn't have a remote unlock on your car, but my 2000 model had it. Unlocking the car before anyone could reach the handles and gently caress it up was a revelation.
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Guy Axlerod posted:Yeah, I guess you could have this problem still if you didn't have a remote unlock on your car, but my 2000 model had it. Unlocking the car before anyone could reach the handles and gently caress it up was a revelation. It's not about the remote unlocking + two people walking to the car together, but i see this happen just as much (if not more) in current model cars because of the doors automatically locking when you start to drive. Then driver goes to pick up someone, forgetting the doors are locked, person getting into car pulls handle, and the scene plays out exactly as it did in 1998.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:01
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Guy Axlerod posted:
Yeah that made me think of that Seinfeld episode where George was trying to change the answering machine tape. For some reason, people still use the term "got it on tape" though.
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BiggerBoat posted:For some reason, people still use the term "got it on tape" though. Because "tape" came to be a synonym for "record" (both the verb and the noun) and it hasn't lost that meaning, so it's the same as saying "got it on record", as "I taped it" is for "I recorded it".
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Dec 20, 2019 14:45
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Nah, I agree with BiggerBoat. "got it on tape" is just an idiom now. You can't generally use "on tape" to mean "recorded" in other situations. Also, "on record" means something different.
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Record and record are homographs but not homonyms. Like homonyms they have different meanings.
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I always think about the tiny cellphone and computer illiteracy jokes being outdated in Zoolander, and that movie isn't even very old. gently caress. Nevermind, that movie is old enough to vote now.
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thomawesome posted:I always think about the tiny cellphone and computer illiteracy jokes being outdated in Zoolander, and that movie isn't even very old. The Trump cameo in the beginning also hasn't aged well. I was just thinking last night that climate change may one day render this joke from Miss Congeniality unrelatable: 
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The thread has mostly covered tv and film but it gets even worse in older novels. Here's a guide book for 19th century English literature: What Jane Austen Ate and Charles Dickens Knew quote:For anyone who has ever wondered whether a duke outranked an earl, when to yell “Tally Ho!” at a fox hunt, or how one landed in “debtor’s prison,” this book serves as an indispensable historical and literary resource. Author Daniel Pool provides countless intriguing details (did you know that the “plums” in Christmas plum pudding were actually raisins?) on the Church of England, sex, Parliament, dinner parties, country house visiting, and a host of other aspects of nineteenth-century English life—both “upstairs” and “downstairs.
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wizzardstaff posted:The Trump cameo in the beginning also hasn't aged well. I had completely forgotten about that. In any case, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yosAVMB47-Y For your sake, stay the gently caress out of the comments
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SimonCat posted:The ancient building I work in has an ashtray in the toilet. My work has an ashtray built into the wall in between the urinals. Time for a reno, guys. On topic: When Elmer Fudd was trying his best to shoot Bugs Bunny, Bugs would sarcastically say "Nice shooting, Nimrod." Lots of people (myself included) assumed Nimrod was just an insult, since It sounds like one of those old-timey sayings like numb-skull or clod. To actually get Bugs' sarcastic reference, you'd have to know that Nimrod is a Biblical figure, known as a great hunter. So Bugs isn't just calling Elmer names, he's really knocking on his accuracy and hunting ability.
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Pretty much any sitcom that aired in the 80s or 90s will have a bunch of references that will seem ancient now. I remember there was an episode of How I Met Your Mother where Batney finds what is supposedly a sex tape of Lily & Marshall but he has to take the tape to Ted's because he is the only person he knows of that still HAS a VHS cassette player. Barney eventually flips out and destroys the cassette player at the end, though.
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The Zombie Guy posted:When Elmer Fudd was trying his best to shoot Bugs Bunny, Bugs would sarcastically say "Nice shooting, Nimrod." Lots of people (myself included) assumed Nimrod was just an insult, since It sounds like one of those old-timey sayings like numb-skull or clod. To actually get Bugs' sarcastic reference, you'd have to know that Nimrod is a Biblical figure, known as a great hunter. So Bugs isn't just calling Elmer names, he's really knocking on his accuracy and hunting ability. Bugs Bunny made “nimrod” a general‐purpose insult. It’s in the dictionary now.
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Jack B Nimble posted:(did you know that the “plums” in Christmas plum pudding were actually raisins?) For some reason this blew my mind, so I was compelled to look up more info about this. The "visions of sugar plums" that the kids in 'Twas the Night Before Christmas dream about was probably sugar-coated coriander. I mean nowadays isn't great but the past really does sound awful.
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Cerebral Mayhem posted:Many stores particularly grocery would give you trading stamps when you bought something, instead of coupons or member cards. Funny enough, that's a thing in Lithuania. Not a permanent one, but as special events, "win some Brandbrand pans" stuff. You get stamps according to your spending at the checkout, so you may take one or two at a time. ...unless you use the online shopping delivery service for one corp, where the delivery guys will just hand you a strip of 10 or whatever.
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In Denmark, too. You get stickers for a little coupon book. I got a couple of nice Peugeot pans at Ikea pan prices a little while ago, shopping at the same store I would be shopping at anyway.
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I don't know if it fits the definition of "media" but we really don't know how ancient battles took part because the people writing about them assumed everyone knew. Bronze age texts (mainly Greek) have multiple references to battles where forces faced each other, charged, and met "in the usual way". Was the usual way pushing together and trying to break the opposing line? Stopping a few yards apart and chucking stuff at each other? Smashing into each other and fracturing into dozens of largely independent combats? No-one knows.
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That's going to be future generations trying to figure out what 'Netflix and chill' meant because to everyone of this era it's so obvious you don't need to explain it. So 'the usual way' probably means they all gathered on a battlefield and had sex. It was a different time.
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Scudworth posted:So that's fun but let's get to the movie version of Casino Royal from 2006.
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Krispy Wafer posted:That's going to be future generations trying to figure out what 'Netflix and chill' meant because to everyone of this era it's so obvious you don't need to explain it.
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Even in the future I can't imagine needing to explain why you shouldn't post small bart
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Sanford posted:I don't know if it fits the definition of "media" but we really don't know how ancient battles took part because the people writing about them assumed everyone knew. Bronze age texts (mainly Greek) have multiple references to battles where forces faced each other, charged, and met "in the usual way". Was the usual way pushing together and trying to break the opposing line? Stopping a few yards apart and chucking stuff at each other? Smashing into each other and fracturing into dozens of largely independent combats? No-one knows. honestly, that contextually just seems like a way of saying the battle wasn't that interesting, that there weren't any unusual or noteworthy players or tactics involved on either side. as a result the specifics get brushed off as "the same old poo poo as every other battle."
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:honestly, that contextually just seems like a way of saying the battle wasn't that interesting, that there weren't any unusual or noteworthy players or tactics involved on either side. as a result the specifics get brushed off as "the same old poo poo as every other battle." Obviously, the problem is we don’t know what happened in typical battles and we’d like to because we’re curious about them.
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I was watching an episode of the Dick Van Dyke show from the early '60s and was momentarily confused when Van Dyke's character told his wife that "the rabbit died". I think it was a Kennedy-era "proper" way to say that your wife was going to have a baby without having to say the word 'pregnant' (this was the era of married couples sleeping in separate beds on TV because sleeping in the same bed would have been seen as scandalous).
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In Lady and the Tramp, the titular cocker spaniel spends a day and a night wandering the town with a stray dog. When she gets back to her high society home, the gentlemanly neighbor dog Jock offers to marry her. Because, you see, it would be incredibly immoral for an unmarried lady of her society to be spending the night with a man without a chaperone. Jock is restoring her honor, in case she is pregnant.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I was watching an episode of the Dick Van Dyke show from the early '60s and was momentarily confused when Van Dyke's character told his wife that "the rabbit died". I think it was a Kennedy-era "proper" way to say that your wife was going to have a baby without having to say the word 'pregnant' (this was the era of married couples sleeping in separate beds on TV because sleeping in the same bed would have been seen as scandalous). They had an episode of M*A*S*H with the rabbit test too and that show was full of sex. So it was as much a TV trope as an euphemism. Also the rabbit always died because the only way to tell if the lady was pregnant or not was to cut the bunny open.
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Krispy Wafer posted:They had an episode of M*A*S*H with the rabbit test too and that show was full of sex. So it was as much a TV trope as an euphemism. Although, Hawkeye did proper surgery and saved the bunny.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I was watching an episode of the Dick Van Dyke show from the early '60s and was momentarily confused when Van Dyke's character told his wife that "the rabbit died". I think it was a Kennedy-era "proper" way to say that your wife was going to have a baby without having to say the word 'pregnant' (this was the era of married couples sleeping in separate beds on TV because sleeping in the same bed would have been seen as scandalous). Yeah, the rabbit test was a common euphemism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_test ...up to at least 1975 with Aerosmith's "Sweet Emotion." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82cJgPXU-ik
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Sanford posted:I don't know if it fits the definition of "media" but we really don't know how ancient battles took part because the people writing about them assumed everyone knew. Bronze age texts (mainly Greek) have multiple references to battles where forces faced each other, charged, and met "in the usual way". Was the usual way pushing together and trying to break the opposing line? Stopping a few yards apart and chucking stuff at each other? Smashing into each other and fracturing into dozens of largely independent combats? No-one knows. There's a whole kingdom whose location has been lost, because no one actually wrote down where it was. It was just assumed that if you mentioned this place, your reader would know where you were talking about. We know that it traded with Egypt, and that it was (if I'm remembering right) somewhere to the southeast, but that doesn't really narrow things down much.
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tinytort posted:There's a whole kingdom whose location has been lost, because no one actually wrote down where it was. It was just assumed that if you mentioned this place, your reader would know where you were talking about. Punt, for those curious.
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