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Solaris 2.0 posted:I'm sorry if this has been brought up already but I have to ask. Yes and maaaaaybe respectively. I doubt he necessarily did it to 'appease lovely fanboys' and I wouldn't say 'JJ' Like... for all the way Disney has acted like they don't care or that they're untouchable, and that nothing's wrong... This is the biggest "EVERYTHING IS ONE FIRE" movie I have seen in a while. This is the committee film, this is 15 people in a board room, tugging at every frame, arguing over every minute detail, to assembly line "The Perfect Script." Remember, Disney wants fanatical fans, they just want a specific kind of fanatical fan.  Those people who obsess and devote themselves and argue online and get super passionate to Star Wars? They want that. That's why they do "May the Fourth" bullshit. May the fuckin' fourth? That's not actually an important date in Star Wars, that's not when any film has come out. August 1st is "Digimon Day" for those fans, because that's the day the plot kicked off, it's an "Important Date" It's a pun turned into a 'Holiday' to promote a brand, to make people more obsessive. They want all those people to Consume Product... but they also want all the people who'll defend them to the death. And so, Rise of Skywalker is a movie built by everyone with a suit, to produce "The Perfect Film to Unite" Not to create interesting or good art... but to appease everyone.
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Pollyanna posted:Schlock is when a film does not exhibit cleverness in any notable fashion, but is entertaining and gets you excited and interested. Schlock is dumb fun. Yeah, which is exactly what the OT and arguably even the PT are not.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Can you seriously not comprehend the act of espionage? Loose lips sink ships? Poe was just demoted for loving up bigly, and he was talking down to a loving ADMIRAL. Yet you're blaming Holdo for Poe being a complete dumbass prick? Why isn't that his own fault, at least in your mind? Is there a particular reason why you're blaming Admiral Holdo instead of newly demoted PFC Poe? You're absolutely right. Poe was a First Order spy this entire time. I guess the "bottom" of this issue is that I didn't want to admit my favouritest pilot in the whole wide world is a spy. The truth hurts and I see that now. OR: Maybe Holdo made some loving terrible decisions which doomed the Rebels. Since you seem so drat certain there are larger issues at play here, I'm gonna suggest you're the one with a white-knight complex here buddy.
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Dec 20, 2019 14:17
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TROS just loved to constantly roll back any sort of emotional impact that the movie might have had. Rolling back chewie, C-3PO or even Kylo dying just really cheapened the final impact of the film.
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Dec 20, 2019 14:17
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I overall enjoyed it but has anyone mentioned the same sex kiss?
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Dec 20, 2019 14:18
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Hollismason posted:I overall enjoyed it but has anyone mentioned the same sex kiss? From what I've been reading the film was a missed opportunity for Finn and Poe to finally gently caress.
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Dec 20, 2019 14:21
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Hollismason posted:I overall enjoyed it but has anyone mentioned the same sex kiss? On the doorstep to 2020 a girl on girl kiss is propably less offensive than a straight couple making out Scrolling through the anger at the Reylo kiss, scratch the propably
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PJOmega posted:
They tried doing that one time but it didn't go down well
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Dec 20, 2019 14:25
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Abrams spent the past two years on Reddit reading Rose hate and Palpatine memes and thought, "I know exactly how to fix Star Wars!"
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Dec 20, 2019 14:29
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Lots of people defending TROS on twitter who are also clearly right-wingers. Also, I think the thing that pisses me off about the movie is how they loving chumped Kelly Marie Tran because manchildren made noise. What a bunch of loving shitlords. Combat Theory posted:On the doorstep to 2020 a girl on girl kiss is propably less offensive than a straight couple making out This says more about fanaticism than it does sexuality. Especially because the girl kiss is relegated to a tiny sideshow. Captain Jesus posted:Yeah, which is exactly what the OT and arguably even the PT are not. I’ll concede on the OT, but the PT is very much schlocky at points.
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Hobo Clown posted:Abrams spent the past two years on Reddit reading Rose hate and Palpatine memes and thought, "I know exactly how to fix Star Wars!" Or maybe Rose herself didn't want to be in it again due to the hate she got.
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Dec 20, 2019 14:33
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I would have wanted to see Finn get some intimate moments with either Rey or Poe but that wasn't really an option at any point in the movies making I think.
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Dec 20, 2019 14:35
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Captain Jesus posted:Please elaborate what definition of schlock Star Wars fulfils and why you think it does , especially the OT. You don't have to of course, but it would make your posts look more like actual opinions instead of raving of a lunatic who just discovered Star Wars and can't quite deal with it. Right? Like, Polyanna....Star Wars "does" exist. Whether you like it or not. Some is good, some is bad, and some is debatable. All of it is exceedingly popular. You just seem confused that we're here at all. What are you even doing here, mate? You're acting like a bit of a weirdo.
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I think TROS nudges out ROTS as my least favorite of the movies. I don't get you all saying that Ian McDiarmid is having fun here; this is nothing compared to him saying platitudes like "I love democracy" with as much dripping smugness as he can muster or flipping in midair. Also he's a huge racist, gently caress him and I hope he had a bad time and stubbed his toe on that weird throne thing. So does the hiding of the wayfinder on the Death Star go like this? Palpatine hides the wayfinder, designs a weird knife with Sith runes and a protractor thing in the shape of the wreckage, and then sends a guy to kill Rey's parents with the knife? Is it important that they're killed with the knife? Did the protractor bit actually do anything because it seemed like all you need to do is line up the contours of the knife with the wreckage? I thought it was kind of weird that Palpatine has apparently spent his 120s leaving weird scavenger hunts across the galaxy, but you just know those sabers Rey buried are gonna be a plot point in Episode XIII in twenty years, so maybe it's just a Jedi thing.
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Horizon Burning posted:shut the gently caress up lmao No. If your first reaction to Poe loving everything up is to blame Holdo, I think you've got some deeper problems than bad movie takes.
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Rose got kinda pushed to the side but these films were always about the main 3 friends and it makes sense in the last film they'd just focus on them. In this film we get Finn teaming up for a little bit with the black lady with a bow but if there was a forth film I wouldn't care if she didn't go on adventures with Finn, Rey and Poe on the Falcon. Plus there just wasn't any chemistry between Finn and Rose. Regardless of what right wing chuds say I am also sure that those in charge of the movie looked at TLJ and thought well those two sticking together really didn't work too well in that movie, the casino part of the film is often the most criticised and their romance was non existent, so let's try something else. So of course Finn meets and teams up with the only black woman in the galaxy. Even if it's going to make some idiots think their hate of Rose online worked I think Rose as a 4th character to hang with the main 3 just wouldn't have been that great. I do hope JJ addresses her lack of screen time in an interview soon though and specifically says that her being less present wasn't to do with fan pressure and those fans who abused her are scummy.
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Rochallor posted:Palpatine hides the wayfinder, designs a weird knife with Sith runes and a protractor thing in the shape of the wreckage, and then sends a guy to kill Rey's parents with the knife? Is it important that they're killed with the knife? I don't even think the Mom is dead, all we saw was the Dad getting shanked. And you know what they say about off-screen deaths... I'd like to see Rey be driven to the dark side for real by her mother being a Sith agent and a psychopath who wants to reconnect. Maybe next decade tho, when everything for her is fine and dandy and she needs a good mental breakdown to become the next antagonist.  Rochallor posted:Did the protractor bit actually do anything because it seemed like all you need to do is line up the contours of the knife with the wreckage? I missed it apparently. I didn't know what the gently caress the protractor was supposed to show against the wreckage. Like, did he take pictures and have a guy make a protractor pointing to the wayfinder? What...what if the wreckage position got shifted in the seas tho? 
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H13 posted:I've grown to despise TLJ (after initial hype from fan service wore off). I think it really did butcher any potential that this trilogy had. The low-speed space chase was dumb, the casino world was videogame bullshit, the characters were loving painful and consistently made bad decisions that made things worse (but not in a fun, "Always Sunny in Tatooine" sorta way). However, from a story perspective, it wrote the current trilogy into a corner. The alliance was hosed, first order ruled everything, no Snoke, Rey and Ren had a confrontation that went nowhere... Good grief. "The good guys are underdogs bonded to each other by hardship and loyalty, two powerful characters who have a personal connection to each other are bitter enemies, and the bad guys are rife with internal chaos, fractured by rumour and mutual hatred and mistrust. There's just no way to get an interesting story out of this situation."
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Hollismason posted:I overall enjoyed it but has anyone mentioned the same sex kiss? I was like "oh so disney finally acknowledges that gay people kiss each other" but it was such a tiny, fleeting scene between two background characters that it felt more like a cop-out to me than anything. I'd be more impressed if Poe, Rey, or both were gay or bi and had some semblance of a romance that wasn't even more sterile than the PT. As it stands right now I'm not holding my breath for the next Deadpool. Pollyanna posted:Also, I think the thing that pisses me off about the movie is how they loving chumped Kelly Marie Tran because manchildren made noise. What a bunch of loving shitlords. Is that even confirmed that it came from above? For all we know the opposite might have happened and she could have wanted to have nothing to do with this movie. I certainly would not if I were in her shoes. Elentor fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Dec 20, 2019 |
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Why did this movie keep introducing characters like halfway in? It’s like if Return of the Jedi introduced 4 characters equivalent to Lando a half hour into the movie. Or like if in Revenge of the Sith, instead of Mace Windu fighting Palpatine it was some before now unseen Jedi named like Master Flibboo played by a famous actor.
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H13 posted:You're absolutely right. Poe was a First Order spy this entire time. As dumb as it is to weigh in, I am going to point this out. The fear of there being a spy and keeping the minimal amount of people informed of the plan at large to minimize the chance of it loving up? That's pretty reasonable. What's not reasonable is after it's become clear that the panic is spreading on the ship, and a figure like Poe, who the crew respects, is near screaming for the knowledge at the very least that there IS a plan that there's something beyond slowly dying. After all, Poe's still a CO, he didn't get formally discharged, Leia only intended to do so. I mean another option would be to tell Poe a fake plan, one that isn't true, but gives him faith. Literally by the end all he's begging for is the knowledge that there IS a plan. I mean hell, if it is a security concern, "There's a plan, but I can't tell you. Not because I necessarily don't trust you, but because we're responsible for everyone here, if I can keep them safe by hiding the truth, then that's what I have to do." The issue with Holdo is she's condescending, rude and treats him like a child, when he's a commander in his own right. So yes, there are real security reasons to not tell even a single person the plan. No, that doesn't mean Holdo didn't choose to go about it in the dumbest way possible. Now can we put this to bed? Elentor posted:I was like "oh so disney finally acknowledges that gay people kiss each other" but it was such a tiny, fleeting scene between two background characters that it felt more like a cop-out to me than anything. Hey remember when Finn was basically going to confess himself to Rey when he thought they were going to die, and Poe looked kinda annoyed like "What something you can tell her alone when I'm not around?" And how Poe and Rey were very caustic towards one another? What I'm saying is, as much as I don't need Poe and Finn to be together, or am even invested in that, if you chose to do the love triangle this time between Poe, Rey and Finn with FINN essentially being the deciding element and not Rey, that'd be unique. As it stands, Finn pines for Rey basically the whole film and she snogs a Ren, and then nothing.
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Elentor posted:I was like "oh so disney finally acknowledges that gay people kiss each other" but it was such a tiny, fleeting scene between two background characters that it felt more like a cop-out to me than anything. If you have a medical condition which causes you to blink twice as long as a normal human, you could literally blink and miss it. The thing that bowled me over was given how obsessed this film is with tying things into a nice little ribbon, I was bracing myself for the moment it would turn out that Lando and Finn are related, because they're both black. That didn't happen, BUT it turns out that Lando is related to the ONLY OTHER black character. Also, why were the other characters giving Poe poo poo for smuggling drugs before joining the Resistance? This is literally what Han Solo, Most Famous Man in the Galaxy did for a living before joining the Rebels.
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Rochallor posted:If you have a medical condition which causes you to blink twice as long as a normal human, you could literally blink and miss it. Also, way to turn Poe, who was already basically the Han of the new movies into LITERALLY HAN.
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Rochallor posted:The thing that bowled me over was given how obsessed this film is with tying things into a nice little ribbon, I was bracing myself for the moment it would turn out that Lando and Finn are related, because they're both black. That didn't happen, BUT it turns out that Lando is related to the ONLY OTHER black character. I don't think they're related. I think he was just offering a spot on his crew. Rochallor posted:Also, why were the other characters giving Poe poo poo for smuggling drugs before joining the Resistance? This is literally what Han Solo, Most Famous Man in the Galaxy did for a living before joining the Rebels. Han Solo didn't smuggle spice iirc, just star ship fuel and stuff.
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Finn has absolutely no arc through the newest trilogy. He breaks his trooper training, joins the #Resistance aaaaand ...hangs around Poe for awhile?
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Dec 20, 2019 15:00
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It was just nice to see same sex kiss. Also the real crime was not enough Keri Russel imo.
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Onmi posted:It's a pun turned into a 'Holiday' to promote a brand, to make people more obsessive. They want all those people to Consume Product... but they also want all the people who'll defend them to the death. And so, Rise of Skywalker is a movie built by everyone with a suit, to produce "The Perfect Film to Unite" Not to create interesting or good art... but to appease everyone. The funny thing is that's probably the worst way to maintain those kinds of fanatical fans because A: you can't and shouldn't expect to catch lightning in a bottle twice, and B: you end up with a product that's forgettable and easily knocked out memory. People aren't going to be lining up to buy merchandise from a movie that was 'alright' when they have nostalgia to compete with or the new shiny thing like the freakish horny genitalia-free cat people. Ironically, this is something Disney used to understand. They didn't do sequels or try to make movies into sequential franchises until maybe the 90s, at least of their animated tentpoles, and even when they did make sequels and spinoffs they were low-key things, TV cartoon and direct-to-video dos that filled up time on the Disney Channel and are easily ignored if you don't like them, since most of the original stories are perfectly self-contained. Rereleases and remasters kept old stuff in the public eye, and things like the Disney Princess as a brand lineup let you milk the characters and iconography while obviously not even trying to have a real story. They are exercises in branding, not writing, and sidestep fan expectations by being in formats that aren't expected to require real effort to be good. I'm sure there's books and books of arguments about why the original Star Wars movies kicked off like they did and are held in such high esteem- I do recall the first movie was expected to be a flop while the sci-fi tentpole of the year was Damnation Alley. (Huh, that's where Star Fox got the name of the tank from) But I think one of the key elements was that for the most part it did its own thing rather than adhere to the current expectations of what a movie should be, but that involved using different influences than people expected; a pulp inspired sci-fi movie might not be too crazy in the 70s, but also mixing cowboy and samurai movie elements (and of course the overall plot being a riff on The Hidden Fortress) but the core thing, I think, is it was built around a specific kind of grand adventure narrative that can sustain near endless sequels while also having definite start and end points to each chapter. (see also Indiana Jones, which also used pulp adventure ideas and an episodic format shamelessly, and suffered from becoming too self-aware) Anyway, point is, two different formulas outlined above, each can work, as long as you stick to them and recognise your limitations. What both have in common is reliance on iconic characters, props and scenes that can be instantly recognised out of context and merchandised to hell and back. (see also superheroes) But things start going to poo poo when you forget about what made the formula work; the new trilogy basically suffers the same pitfalls all the Expanded Universe stuff did that's fixated on 'Being Star Wars' at the expense of literally everything else, with new ideas barely given any room to breathe while retreading characters and moments that just come off as literal fanfiction complete with Original Character Do Not Steal. A bit like what I've heard with Frozen 2; an incoherent story not helped by the writers' answer to its problems is apparently to have the characters verbally explain everything they're doing (but not why, because it still makes no sense) and probably no real idea what to do with them after the first movie's pretty clear cut arc of redemption and reconciliation. They didn't need to make Frozen 2, and to properly milk the franchise (because we know that's all Disney wants to do) they probably shouldn't have, but sequels and cinematic universes worked for the MCU so now literally everything needs to do them.
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H13 posted:You're absolutely right. Poe was a First Order spy this entire time. I hope you didn't roll your ankle with that sloppy loving side-step. Since you're completely oblivious to concepts like operational security and the chain of command, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if more obvious things also went over your head and interfered with your ability to think critically without having them spoon-fed to you.
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Covok posted:I don't think they're related. I think he was just offering a spot on his crew. According to stuff people posted earlier about prerelease spoilers, Lando was explicitly looking for his daughter. So you can consider it different in the final cut since it's not outright stated, but it seems the intention was there. Covok posted:Han Solo didn't smuggle spice iirc, just star ship fuel and stuff. I'll take the L on this cause I was thinking of Luke's line about his dad being a navigator on a spice freighter, and what I'm thinking might have been EU, but I'm 99% sure Han got indebted to Jabba because he dumped a load of spice. EDIT: I am "and another thing"ing the hell out of these posts, but Poe says "we've got company!" three times in three movies, and he doesn't say it in TLJ. Somebody really loves that line.
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Rochallor posted:Also, why were the other characters giving Poe poo poo for smuggling drugs before joining the Resistance? This is literally what Han Solo, Most Famous Man in the Galaxy did for a living before joining the Rebels. Yeah I don't remember Poe ever selling himself as the super nice guy who did nothing wrong. He's kinda roguish and debauched from the start. That's essentially his character in the second movie, on top of that. Onmi posted:As it stands, Finn pines for Rey basically the whole film and she snogs a Ren, and then nothing. When the Rey and Ren kissed each other all I could think was "oh so this is finally the movie where parroting 'still a better love story than twilight' won't apply". Unoriginal Name posted:Finn has absolutely no arc through the newest trilogy. He breaks his trooper training, joins the #Resistance aaaaand ...hangs around Poe for awhile? The way Finn is used in these movies is downright ridiculous. He had no agency during the death star part: Here's a character who just met someone who shares a lot with him, and instead of reserving that time for them to do things other than decide to sacrifice their lives randomly, like I dunno, give him a break for once, he risks his life to watch Rey do a lightsaber fight, then run away. That's everything there is to it. His character isn't even used for the plot. Maybe during those loving massive waves Rey could show she cares and use her super force powers to protect them. Instead, she shows that she's really a nice person by showing mercy to the murderous psychopath who blow up planets, then she leaves in a ship. "Hope you two suckers can get back in this ridiculously dangerous storm!"
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:I hope you didn't roll your ankle with that sloppy loving side-step. For all that you’re trying to own people about your superior understanding of military command or whatever, the fact remains that Holdo took over command of an unfamiliar crew that appears to have been personally loyal to this hotshot starfighter commander, froze the dude out and refused to even reassure him that she did have an idea for how to protect their lives, and then faced a mutiny for it. It's breathtakingly incompetent. And that’s not even getting into the other evidence presented within the film that Holdo's idea itself is nonsense.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:pouring one out for the manchildren who are going to have to pretend to like this turd to Own the SJWs And also the other way around Maybe Disney's onto something if they've got two groups of people pretending to like the same thing specifically to spite each other
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And also the other way around I mean, I’m not really involved in fandom wars but I thought TLJ was fine, so I guess I’m part of the dread purple haired menace. but this movie was a poo poo sandwich. Hux shouting “I’M THE SPY” was the most insulting thing I’ve seen in a theater in a while, this movie had zero respect for its audience
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I kinda like TLJ and the entire Holdo and the Great Space Chase plotline is poo poo garbage for idiots
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JJ is 2 for 2 in a week of adapting someone else's work and making GBS threads all over their ending. "No the problem isn't power corrupts and anyone that seeks it is suspect, it's that we didn't give ultimate power to a good guy!" and "No Luke's triumph in the throne wasn't embracing hope and love trusting in his father to save him, it was getting the Emperor lightninged in the face. That is what the Jedi should be, dudes going around lightninging people in the face.". I don't know how the gently caress they keep giving this guy final creative oversight over projects. He's an ideas guy, you use him to throw something out there that other more competent people than bang into shape.
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All in all, a good adaptation of the Dark Empire comic. Superior to the original source material. Clears up the sillier bits of the comic. My main complaint is that the movie did not end with an extended sequence of Finn and Poe making out while smooth jazz plays.
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