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quote:Rey had been my Star Wars hero, in the way that Luke was for so many other fans. From the moment I saw Daisy Ridley tooling around a desert planet in 2015’s The Force Awakens — and especially when she first picked up a lightsaber late in that movie — I was moved by her warmth and wit. quote:But even more powerful than the above idea is the idea that Rey is the last Jedi, the idea that when she faces off against Palpatine at the end of The Rise of Skywalker, with everybody else off the board, she embodies every single other Jedi who’s ever lived. And to me, that moment would have carried so much more weight if Rey was a nobody from a nowhere planet who nevertheless held the fate of the galaxy in her hands. Instead, she’s suddenly drawn into an elaborate family drama that neither she nor the audience knows anything about. (It’s not like the Star Wars movies have spent any time on Palpatine’s domestic life!) https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/12/19/21028496/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers-episode-9-reys-parents Excellent article. Also, good to know that Palpatine fucks.
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cuntman.net posted:i just cant get over that they dropped the sheev reveal right in the opening crawl. and then they didnt even show the transmission. its hilarious Oh, they showed the transmission. In Fortnite. That's not a joke.
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Dec 20, 2019 16:27
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Beeez posted:The Force seems way more proactive in this trilogy, yeah. Even with this whole Palpatine reveal, JJ really hasn't explained Anakin's lightsaber behaving the way it did at the Kanata Cantina, when in the first six movies it was some family heirloom that had been used to slaughter kids, not Excalibur. A good question, for another time*
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Dec 20, 2019 16:28
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Crappy Jack posted:Oh, they showed the transmission.  Also Han’s ghost dad scene... The more I watch this movie, I’m in theater and it’s empty, the more I think it’s a comedy
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Dec 20, 2019 16:29
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Dec 20, 2019 16:30
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H13 posted:- Space Fuel which has never been mentioned before The lasers arcing is a visual effect. It's a dumb visual effect, but it doesn't affect the plot. You may as well object to the fact that you can hear the blasts hitting the shields even though there should be no sound in the vacuum of space. As for the space fuel, the movie doesn't explicitly state that the ships are accelerating the whole time, but it's both easy to infer and explains a lot- such as why ships seem to stop when they run out (they're no longer capable of accelerating) and why the imperials don't just launch a million tie fighters at the rebels (small ships would have trouble properly engaging capital ships at ever-increasing speed)
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Dec 20, 2019 16:31
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Crappy Jack posted:Oh, they showed the transmission. i know, its bullshit 
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Dec 20, 2019 16:35
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Chewie got a loving medal in a scene where no one else acknowledges it except the ~~fans~~ The pandering is off the charts
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Dec 20, 2019 16:36
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qbert posted:Rey: “What about all the things you said and did in TLJ?” literally his last speech in TLJ is him admitting that he was wrong to want the Jedi to go
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Dec 20, 2019 16:40
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I think a lot of people are misinterpreting that final scene. Rey wasn't taking up the Skywalker because she chooses her own destiny, she just realized she had been caught trespassing at Skywalker Farm and didn't want that old lady to call the cops!
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Dec 20, 2019 16:40
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Space fuel is probably whatever the Knights of Ren kept burning to leave smoke behind their spaceship
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Dec 20, 2019 16:40
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This screenplay had a real case of "Palpatine's plan that makes no sense 100% makes sense, you're just going to have to trust us on this one".
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Dec 20, 2019 16:43
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I’m fine with them ditching trilogies. I mean unless the movie earns it. That’s how Star Wars started out anyway
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Dec 20, 2019 16:44
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Solaris 2.0 posted:https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/12/19/21028496/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers-episode-9-reys-parents Not really. From the first time we meet her it's clear she's special, it's emphasized over and over how auspicious her destiny is and much natural strength she has. It's honestly emphasized with her more than it was for Anakin or Luke. The Johnson interpretation of that just makes it inexplicable, it doesn't send a message of finding one's own place, it simply removes any baggage or expectations of what she "should" be, besides the Force itself expecting her to be great. The fact that there were thousands of people who could use the Force in the prequels, and the fact that in the original trilogy the day is ultimately not won with Force powers but with a coalition of different people fighting to take down the Empire, including people who are looked down on like Ewoks and robots(even Anakin and Luke don't actually win by dint of Force powers, but by their bond and recognition of each other's humanity) sends a message that being blessed with some special talent isn't the only important thing far more than version of her journey does. I don't really understand where this perception even came from, Anakin's specialness was more of a burden that made every faction want to use him and his kids for their own ends, it never sent the message that you have to be Skywalkers to be important, or even that being a Skywalker instantly makes you better than anyone else.
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Onmi posted:As dumb as it is to weigh in, I am going to point this out. Thank you for this. I was going crazy at reading people who had clearly forgotten the events of the movie completely glossing over this. I just rewatched TLJ yesterday and it is an hour before she's even willing to mention that there is a plan. All the times she dodged the question "Is there a plan?" made her eventual reassurance that there was a plan seem like bullshit. The mutiny happens right after. She had every reason to keep what the plan was between her and Leia. She also had every reason to believe a hot head like Poe would try to execute his own half baked and poorly thought out plan. He did that exact thing at the start of the movie!* Simply saying "Leia and I have a plan but we must keep it secret until we can execute it" would have prevented A LOT of problems for the rebels. Speaking of Holdo and Leia, I think that TLJ made a pretty big mistake by having Holdo in that position instead of Leia. How often does Leia get to do something cool in the franchise without being in the shadow of Luke or Han? Leia going out by doing the suicide attack would have ruled. Hell, she'd have overshadowed Luke! Instead that moment went to a character who seemed to exist just to make sure Leia's death was saved for episode 9. The one time it does look like Leia is gonna do something is when they're chasing the crystal foxes to get out of the cave. There is an exit that is blocked by a bunch of loose rocks. Does the force sensitive Skywalker use the force to move the rocks out of the way? No, she stares at the rocks helplessly until Rey shows up to move them for her. God it pisses me off how little Leia gets to do in the franchise. *can't believe this dude was made a general in episode 9
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Dec 20, 2019 16:46
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I gotta say, somehow Adam Driver made me root for him when he turned good. He carried himself like a hero with his body language and facial acting alone once he showed up on lightning planet. He's a drat fine actor.
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Dec 20, 2019 16:50
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Hobo Clown posted:I think a lot of people are misinterpreting that final scene. Rey wasn't taking up the Skywalker because she chooses her own destiny, she just realized she had been caught trespassing at Skywalker Farm and didn't want that old lady to call the cops! 
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Dec 20, 2019 16:51
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Somebody, somewhere, must have had a guilty conscience when they put Rose Tico in a closet and barely let her out. Good lord.
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Dec 20, 2019 16:53
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Codependent Poster posted:I gotta say, somehow Adam Driver made me root for him when he turned good. He carried himself like a hero with his body language and facial acting alone once he showed up on lightning planet. He's a drat fine actor. Watch Marriage Story on Netflix. He and Scarlett Johansson do really really good work.
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Dec 20, 2019 16:53
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Quantum Shart posted:I mean the point was to paint Poe as too up his own arse to believe in the plan, Holdo is Space Jesus and Poe is her Judas, he knows better cause don't you know who he is. His characterisation is even worse in TROS cause even though he did all that in TLS he still gives lip to Rey, he's a shitbag. The point is that they all gently caress up! Everyone in the movie fucks up! Poe fucks up by acting on impulse after being given bad tummyfeels by a new leader he doesn't know. Holdo fucks up by being either too paranoid about leaks or too unconfident in her plan to tell anyone about it, fomenting distrust(no way would Poe have been able to mutiny if he was the only person upset at being out of the loop). Finn and Rose gently caress up by failing to get the master codebreaker they need and instead bringing along some creepy guy they met in jail, and taking calls where Poe relays critical information on speakerphone with the creepy guy in the room. Luke hosed up by reacting in fear to the darkness within Ben, and then by running off to an island to wallow in his self-loathing. Rey fucks up by wanting to be wanted too much to realise she's being played first by Snoke and then by Kylo. Snoke fucks up by not underestimating how much Kylo hates him and overestimating his own ability to read people's feelings. Kylo fucks up by letting his hatred of Luke distract him from his goal of eliminating the rebels at a critical moment. It's like in a tragedy! The good guys make bad decisions and the only reason they don't all die as a result is that the bad guys make bad decisions too.
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Codependent Poster posted:I gotta say, somehow Adam Driver made me root for him when he turned good. He carried himself like a hero with his body language and facial acting alone once he showed up on lightning planet. He's a drat fine actor. When he pulled the lightsaber out of thin air in the middle of the fight with the knights, he had a smug little moment that was peak Solo.
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REY: People said you were too selfish to be a Jedi. And I can’t believe I loving defended you. REN: You used me to leave Kef Bir, and you hated me for it!! You’re playing that innocent little Jedi act, as a strategy, and you’re loving winning!
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Beeez posted:The Force seems way more proactive in this trilogy, yeah. Even with this whole Palpatine reveal, JJ really hasn't explained Anakin's lightsaber behaving the way it did at the Kanata Cantina, when in the first six movies it was some family heirloom that had been used to slaughter kids, not Excalibur. I prefer this interpretation, which is reinforced in Rogue One - the Force will push you towards a certain outcome and even help you in small measures as long as you are doing what it wants (facilitating the hero's storyline) and then as soon as you've done that you're on your own (and probably going to die). Beeez posted:Not really. From the first time we meet her it's clear she's special, it's emphasized over and over how auspicious her destiny is and much natural strength she has. It's honestly emphasized with her more than it was for Anakin or Luke. The Johnson interpretation of that just makes it inexplicable, it doesn't send a message of finding one's own place, it simply removes any baggage or expectations of what she "should" be, besides the Force itself expecting her to be great. The fact that there were thousands of people who could use the Force in the prequels, and the fact that in the original trilogy the day is ultimately not won with Force powers but with a coalition of different people fighting to take down the Empire, including people who are looked down on like Ewoks and robots(even Anakin and Luke don't actually win by dint of Force powers, but by their bond and recognition of each other's humanity) sends a message that being blessed with some special talent isn't the only important thing far more than version of her journey does. I don't really understand where this perception even came from, Anakin's specialness was more of a burden that made every faction want to use him and his kids for their own ends, it never sent the message that you have to be Skywalkers to be important, or even that being a Skywalker instantly makes you better than anyone else. There's no small measure of wink wink nudge nudge poo poo from Han and Leia about how "special" Rey is in TFA and also Snoke seemingly knows who she is when Kylo tells him about her ability to resist his Force interrogation. She was never set up to be nobody and I have no idea why Rian Johnson was allowed to run with that. Not just Kylo telling her that, but the dark side cave thing confirming it. Codependent Poster posted:I gotta say, somehow Adam Driver made me root for him when he turned good. He carried himself like a hero with his body language and facial acting alone once he showed up on lightning planet. He's a drat fine actor. Kylo only works because Adam Driver is a great actor. Despite where they go with him, Kylo is awesome in TFA - obviously conflicted but also crazy strong, dangerous as gently caress, and barely in control. If it has been a less talented actor the character would basically be as poorly received as prequel Anakin.
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Dec 20, 2019 17:00
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It's amazing that Abrams just *could not* let any action leave any lasting consequence. You actually might give Rey some pathos if she accidentally killed Chewbacca - oh poo poo nevermind, he's alive. Oh man! C-3PO has to make the ultimate sacrifice to keep our heroes on the path- oh poo poo oh no, he's got his memories back, no worries. Rey kills Kylo Ren in anger! That should be a bad thing, oh wait oh no nevermind she heals him back up just minutes later. Good fuckin god dude.
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Dec 20, 2019 17:01
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OB_Juan posted:When he pulled the lightsaber out of thin air in the middle of the fight with the knights, he had a smug little moment that was peak Solo. yeah that was the only time i thought oh right this guy is han solos kid
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Couple things now that I’ve almost woken up: - I stand by my initial reaction that this was by no means a great movie, but they did the best they could after having written themselves into a corner and I was happy with it. - A huge problem was the abundance of nothing characters. Maz, Rose, Jarrah, and unfortunately even  did absolutely nothing to advance the plot (I guess maybe Jarrah gave them parts to fix the Falcon but they could have just written it so the Falcon didn’t crash, and DO knew about Rey’s parents getting stabbed but Rey figured that out herself). I get that a lot of it was just because they had to have Rose and Maz in it but didn’t have anything to do, so they just gave them unimportant lines, but ugh. - Leia was handled perfectly. I was hyper aware that we were seeing old unused footage and I kept expecting it to take me out of the moment, but it didn’t happen. Props to the editing team. - Got really loving tired of Kylo death fakeouts by like the third or fourth one. Jesus Christ JJ. - What happened to all that bullshit about “John Williams used every Star Wars theme ever in this movie”? Literally nothing from the prequels was in it. - One of the hugest things in TLJ (among many) that bothered the piss out of me was the textbook Checkov’s gun of showing us Luke’s X-Wing in the water and then never using it. I was so relieved to see him lift it out. Going back and reading the spoilers from October it does sound like a profoundly stupid mess, but overall I thought it tied things together in an inevitably mediocre but satisfying fashion.
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Mike N Eich posted:It's amazing that Abrams just *could not* let any action leave any lasting consequence. You actually might give Rey some pathos if she accidentally killed Chewbacca - oh poo poo nevermind, he's alive. Oh man! C-3PO has to make the ultimate sacrifice to keep our heroes on the path- oh poo poo oh no, he's got his memories back, no worries. Rey kills Kylo Ren in anger! That should be a bad thing, oh wait oh no nevermind she heals him back up just minutes later. If Rey had killed Chewie she'd be dead to fans. You cant have a character that's only semi liked by many and hated by some kill off a beloved character from the OT. As soon as it happened I was shocked then reality hit me and I realised nah they would be too afraid to do that he's alive somehow.
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Speaking of the Knights of Ren what the gently caress was the point of them? Like who were they? Why did they have lovely axes and maces? Why did they even exist?
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Hazo posted:- One of the hugest things in TLJ (among many) that bothered the piss out of me was the textbook Checkov’s gun of showing us Luke’s X-Wing in the water and then never using it. I was so relieved to see him lift it out. Yeah it’s very cool to see a freshwater ocean where a loving spaceship can rest underwater for years and just get pulled with absolutely no damage to anything. Real loving cool and not loving bullshit like everything else in this orgy of nostalgia. Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Speaking of the Knights of Ren what the gently caress was the point of them? The answer you seek is thoroughly documented here
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Speaking of the Knights of Ren what the gently caress was the point of them? Also dick move attacking the dude you're literally named after.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Speaking of the Knights of Ren what the gently caress was the point of them? Yea they loving sucked. When they were first teased I thought oh cool they're some ex students from the academy that he turned or at least some badass henchmen he employs. Instead we get lovely nobodies who look like they grabbed whatever scrap they could find from the local dump. They served no purpose except to be killed.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Speaking of the Knights of Ren what the gently caress was the point of them? to sell toys, I presume, but I'm not sure they even have that many
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qbert posted:Also dick move attacking the dude you're literally named after. i always thought he got his name from the group, like all the other ones also have ren in their names
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The Knights of Ren: Stimpy, you eediot.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Yeah it’s very cool to see a freshwater ocean where a loving spaceship can rest underwater for years and just get pulled with absolutely no damage to anything. Real loving cool and not loving bullshit like everything else in this orgy of nostalgia.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Star Wars the dead speak!
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cuntman.net posted:i always thought he got his name from the group, like all the other ones also have ren in their names That could be true. Aren't they the other kids he ran away with from Luke's school? I just assumed they all joined his gang and were like his minions or something.
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Hazo posted:With all the crazy tech and alien environments in the Star Wars universe, I’m not gonna obsess about this (the Jedi hunter ship was in the loving desert for longer than Luke’s ship was underwater and it fired up just fine). Honestly, you’re right. One thing that has forever bothered me about Star Wars is the complete lack of spacesuits or acknowledging that you’re flying through loving space. The ships never lose pressure, there’s never a worry of having to be out in space for repairs or anything. And even on the one instance of this happening, Leia just flies back lmao.
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OB_Juan posted:When he pulled the lightsaber out of thin air in the middle of the fight with the knights, he had a smug little moment that was peak Solo. Yeah I was against any Kylo redemption from the start then Driver has him rolling up looking all badass and giving these little smiles and smirks and I'm like, "Well drat this guy rules."
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