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qbert posted:Seriously, how are people who go on and on about hating the "plot hole" of Holdo withholding info from Poe in TLJ gonna reconcile the massive plot vortexes of this film? They'll believe anything so long as it's said it happened offscreen because Disney marketing has poisoned their minds into thinking they can just fanfic in a reason for it later thatll make perfect sense. Honest If there was just an interstitial "some time later" between holdos introduction and Poe leading a mutiny all these complaints would be gone. We can find out about the coups origins another time!!
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hobbesmaster posted:The movie makes way more sense if you just realize it’s an old EU novel/comic. One that nobody liked too, for a multitude of reasons but chiefly Rehashing the OT set up by bringing the empire and Palpatine back, thus regressing the canon.
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Dec 20, 2019 17:38
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Lamo “regressing the canon” What does that even mean.
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Dec 20, 2019 17:39
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The ships can’t fly without the control tower. Oh wait, yes they can. Oh wait, no they can’t
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Dec 20, 2019 17:39
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Onmi posted:Oh right. Everyone skips over what we learned Snoke did and how he corrupted Kylo. He was the Gardner at the Jedi temple who Luke scarred for "dome reason." And... That's it. 
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Dec 20, 2019 17:41
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Am I crazy or is the "jam the speeders" scene a direct Spaceballs reference. I'm pretty sure the consoles and character blocking are the same between both movies. I'll need to see stills of both to be 100%, but I'm pretty sure I'm not crazy and just seeing things. That's kind of great if for all the references/homages/ripoff scenes in this movie one of them was to Spaceballs.
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Dec 20, 2019 17:41
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Hazo posted:With all the crazy tech and alien environments in the Star Wars universe, I’m not gonna obsess about this (the Jedi hunter ship was in the loving desert for longer than Luke’s ship was underwater and it fired up just fine). All I was mad about was that they could have just not showed the drat thing in TLJ like it was meaningful. wasn't it in the background of like a single shot
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Dec 20, 2019 17:42
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euphronius posted:Lamo “regressing the canon” Well The Empire is back as the Dominant threat and Sheev is back and the heroes are back to doing what they did in the OT. After a few years of the EU ya know... Not just doing the trilogy again. Dark Empires slick new idea was to gave Luke go under cover as Darth Luke and flirt with eeeeeeeeeevil.
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Dec 20, 2019 17:43
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Mike N Eich posted:Ren being unhinged and insecure doesn't make him less of a dangerous villain. There's interesting narrative space to play around with a villain like Ren who is given nearly unlimited power but is also unhappy and underconfident. It's maybe not a Star Wars thing they're comfortable playing around with though so they just gave him a new master. Right, my hope (or at least my assumption) after the first one was that we were going to see Kylo and Rey grow in parallel through the rest of the trilogy until the final confrontation at the end. Instead, Rey continues to grow while Kylo just kind of shrivels to nothing. I guess this is what balance looks like.
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Golden Bee posted:The ships can’t fly without the control tower. Oh wait, yes they can. Oh wait, no they can’t Wait I know that sound... they're rebooting the system! The thing we blew up will work again!!
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Dec 20, 2019 17:44
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Zoran posted:For all that you’re trying to own people about your superior understanding of military command or whatever, the fact remains that Holdo took over command of an unfamiliar crew that appears to have been personally loyal to this hotshot starfighter commander, froze the dude out and refused to even reassure him that she did have an idea for how to protect their lives, and then faced a mutiny for it. One thing that bugged me is that "the Resistance" was some kind of splinter/shadow faction which, by the beginning of TLJ, consists of three capital ships and like a dozen fighters. When Holdo shows up the entire leadership has been exploded into space, which tbh calls into question the very idea of "chain of command". What is there to be "in command" of?
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General Dog posted:Right, my hope (or at least my assumption) after the first one was that we were going to see Kylo and Rey grow in parallel through the rest of the trilogy until the final confrontation at the end. Instead, Rey continues to grow while Kylo just kind of shrivels to nothing. I guess this is what balance looks like. They humiliated him too much to be the main villain. I know him not being Vader is deliberate but holy poo poo is he just a nerd by the time he turns good. At that point you're retiring Kylo rent just to escape the humiliation.
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I think the guy who does Chad Vader actually voices Darth Vader in a new-EU thing? Maybe the Phineas and Ferb crossover. Still the best thing to come out of Disney buying Star Wars.
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RIP Kylo, you almost won one fight against Rey there.
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romanowski posted:wasn't it in the background of like a single shot If I'm remembering correctly, Rey looks down at the water, the camera cuts to the ship, then cuts back to Rey, so it definitely focuses on it for a moment and makes you notice it. fake edit: I just checked, and yeah, that's what happens, right after Rey fetches the lightsaber. I'd screenshot it, but apparently Netflix doesn't allow you to do that, somehow.
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Dec 20, 2019 17:51
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Should have fallen into a coma and then die/disappear rather than double die. "Why did no one tell me that this woman's mother died of a loss of will to live? That's hereditary!" Also, surprised no one's come in with a "if Leia had had Verizon she wouldn't have died making that long distance Force call."
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Dec 20, 2019 17:51
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In that movie is just signifies that Luke definitely was there to die and wasn’t leaving
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Dec 20, 2019 17:52
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Was the giant slug guy someone we should know? He looked kind of familiar, maybe we've seen his species in the cartoons? Or in Monsters Inc?
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Handsome Ralph posted:. It was unnecessary and I don't buy for a minute the "TLJ wrote them into a corner!" argument on this one. Hobo Clown posted:The only corner they were written into in regards to Leia was not killing her off in TLJ. She should have had Holdo's role. Seasoned General and OT favorite up against new brash ST favorite and Han Solo analogue, ultimately sacrificing herself in a huge way to save the Rebellion she's always fought for. I also suspect that Leia was supposed to appear to Kylo on not-Endor and Ford voluntarily stepped in for her. He’s a miserable old man who hates Star Wars but he loved Carrie. romanowski posted:wasn't it in the background of like a single shot
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Dec 20, 2019 17:53
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Hazo posted:I also suspect that Leia was supposed to appear to Kylo on not-Endor and Ford voluntarily stepped in for her. He’s a miserable old man who hates Star Wars but he loved Carrie. I kind of doubt much of the script was even written yet when she died. But that scene was surprisingly effective, even if Harrison Ford didn't even bother to shave for it.
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General Dog posted:I kind of doubt much of the script was even written yet when she died. But that scene was surprisingly effective, even if Harrison Ford didn't even bother to shave for it. I doubt he volunteered for it but I'm sure Carrie being dead made him go from "No, I only came back to kill Han off forever, gently caress off" to "I'll do it." when they came a knockin'
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Dec 20, 2019 17:57
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euphronius posted:Oh no Ugh. I thought this might happen but seeing it is just terrible. We're definitely getting a follow-up movie in a decade where Rey has to rescue Kylo from "force purgatory" so they can be married for real and get that Skywalker clan up and running again.
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Dec 20, 2019 17:59
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Pollyanna posted:After a night of sleep... IOW blame Joseph Campbell
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Hazo posted:
That Chekhov's Gun was actually fired in TLJ, when Luke says "I came here to die"
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Carrie Fisher should’ve never been in any of these Disney sequels imo. I hope Boyega and Ridley get married
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mastershakeman posted:Luke's xwing isn't a loving chekovs gun Jesus loving Christ I just want the skywalker saga to be over for good now.
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Dec 20, 2019 18:06
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2house2fly posted:That Chekhov's Gun was actually fired in TLJ, when Luke says "I came here to die" Yeah I don't get the Chekhov thing with the X wing. The shot was to show that Luke disabled his ship to stay there. You know the exact loving thing Rey did in the same scene
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I'm sorry if this has been brought up already but I have to ask. Interacting with a woman doesn't mean instant girlfriend But yes her being tossed to the background sucked
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2house2fly posted:That Chekhov's Gun was actually fired in TLJ, when Luke says "I came here to die" Then don’t show the ship at all or show it as a smoldering wreck, like they did with Rey. Not fully intact waiting to be lifted out of the water by a guy who famously had a trial involving lifting that ship out of the water. Onmi posted:I doubt he volunteered for it but I'm sure Carrie being dead made him go from "No, I only came back to kill Han off forever, gently caress off" to "I'll do it." when they came a knockin'  Golden Bee posted:The ships can’t fly without the control tower. Oh wait, yes they can. Oh wait, no they can’t Yeah about that.... so apparently one of the Sith destroyers flew away to blow up Zorri’s planet but the rest of them just... stayed behind? Did I miss an explanation for that one?
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Hobo Clown posted:The only corner they were written into in regards to Leia was not killing her off in TLJ. She should have had Holdo's role. Seasoned General and OT favorite up against new brash ST favorite and Han Solo analogue, ultimately sacrificing herself in a huge way to save the Rebellion she's always fought for. Yeah I felt like that was where they were going with it when I first watched TLJ (since this was well after Fisher had died) but surprise! Hazo posted:This is the “writing into the corner” to which I was referring. And to be clear I would have been okay with letting her go in TLJ too. But if they wanted to spend a bunch of this movie honoring Carrie Fisher I’m okay with that because she ruled. For the record, I love Carrie Fisher and I'm not arguing that she should have been killed off screen because I dislike her or her character. I just feel like this movie didn't do much to honor her other than "hey guys, she's still here, but in CGI form!" At least TLJ it felt like (if it wasn't) most of her scenes were filmed before she had died. I agree with you about the Han stepping in for Carrie Fisher though, that makes sense.
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Dec 20, 2019 18:11
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Did JJ really just toss Kelli Marie Tran's character to the background AND give Finn a new girlfriend to appease lovely fanboys who harassed her off the internet?
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Dec 20, 2019 18:12
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Hazo posted:Then don’t show the ship at all or show it as a smoldering wreck. Not fully intact waiting to be lifted out of the water by a guy who famously had a trial involving lifting that ship out of the water. That one had all the travel data but forgot to beam it back because you can’t copy information in Star Wars
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:That one had all the travel data but forgot to beam it back because you can’t copy information in Star Wars Star Wars’ hosed up tech is one of the reasons taking it seriously sucks.
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Dec 20, 2019 18:14
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The Rise of Skywalker is like if you took the Gil character from Simpsons and made him into a movie
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Dec 20, 2019 18:15
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Blast Fantasto posted:Why did this movie keep introducing characters like halfway in? It’s like if Return of the Jedi introduced 4 characters equivalent to Lando a half hour into the movie. Speaking of which, who the gently caress was Max von Sydow anyway?
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Mat Cauthon posted:Ugh. I thought this might happen but seeing it is just terrible. We're definitely getting a follow-up movie in a decade where Rey has to rescue Kylo from "force purgatory" so they can be married for real and get that Skywalker clan up and running again. Nah he can just force nut into her with his force ghost.
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Dec 20, 2019 18:17
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Golden idea for how they could have handled Carrie Fisher's death: EPISODE IX: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER General Leia Organa has died... Tracking down opening space shot show's Leia's space coffin being ceremoniously released to the stars as some character gives a speech about her. Reason for death mysterious, but Rey sees her as a silent force ghost leading her through breadcrumb-trail plot. Big ending twist where ultimately the bad guy is defeated using knowledge Leia willingly died to communicate
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Dec 20, 2019 18:19
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2house2fly posted:Golden idea for how they could have handled Carrie Fisher's death: Literally "A grave appears" from Alan Dean Foster's fanfic.
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I think it's a shame that Rose's reduced role in the movie can be taken as capitulation to the ugly online response to her character, but at the same time, I don't think there was a single moment in this movie where I said to myself "boy, I sure wish Rose was around right now."
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2house2fly posted:Golden idea for how they could have handled Carrie Fisher's death: Mon Mothma, Jr.: "Many Skywalkers died to bring us this information."
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