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Mat Cauthon posted:This is so crazy it makes perfect sense. With "immaculate conception" being a thing in SW universe, you best believe he'd have soooo many Space Jesuses.
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Brother Entropy posted:imagine not wanting to see this It sounds kind of difficult to make a movie out of. Like if the villains are little microscopic beings, how do you have the characters beat them?
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Dec 21, 2019 05:23
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MJeff posted:The temple in Last Jedi also implied that Snoke might be somehow tied to the origin of the Jedi but uh, nope, apparently he was a vat-grown shmuck for Sheev. Bilirubin posted:how so? there's a mural on the floor of the temple with a face on it that looks very much like snoke. that plus the inexplicable name of 'first order' led to a theory that snoke was, in some way, related to the original jedi.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:23
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Eimi posted:Basically as bad as the message of this movie which is that bloodlines uber alles. The less we hear about how only chosen ones, whether by blood or microbes in you, can wield the force the better. Don't get me wrong. Rey as a Palpatine is my biggest gripe with this film.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:24
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KaptainKrunk posted:Revenge of the Sith and Attack of the Clones are better than Return of the Jedi and way, way better than any of the sequels. This is the goddamn truth people
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Dec 21, 2019 05:24
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2house2fly posted:It sounds kind of difficult to make a movie out of. Like if the villains are little microscopic beings, how do you have the characters beat them? vaccination? wait its a perfect message for our time
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Dec 21, 2019 05:25
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Bilirubin posted:how so? Image is too big to paste here and I'm too lazy to resize it. Google Snoke Jedi Temple, you'll see it. Davros1 posted:That's why we got the Force Dyad. Midi-chlorians in every way but name. From the second they revealed Rey is Sheev's granddaughter, all I could think was "this goes back on TLJ and adds NOTHING to the movie". But apparently they needed it for this loving Force Dyad thing, so can somebody explain what the hell a Force Dyad is and why we needed Rey to have a super special bloodline for it?
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Dec 21, 2019 05:25
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still thinking about how Star wars started as the rebels (brand new passion product from a young Hollywood outsider, unexpected success) and became the Empire (Disney slavishly reproducing hollow nostalgia and forcing movie theaters to show it on their terms)
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Dec 21, 2019 05:26
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Brother Entropy posted:imagine not wanting to see this What about that sounds even remotely interesting or appealing to you? Honest question.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:26
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2house2fly posted:It sounds kind of difficult to make a movie out of. Like if the villains are little microscopic beings, how do you have the characters beat them? was it said that the midichlorians would be villains from what lucas was planning or are you doing a 'kreia was right' bit?
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Dec 21, 2019 05:26
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Kennedy is now claiming he never had any treatments. They’re trying to erase George from the picture. Kinda sounds like what that other studio did with Justice League..... Kennedy said George never wrote any screenplays. She did say he provided summaries of ideas he had in mind for other Star Wars movies, i.e., story treatments. Treatments are not scripts. They never used George's treatments and instead relied on Abrams and Ardnt to come up with the story for what would eventually become The Force Awakens.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:28
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KaptainKrunk posted:Revenge of the Sith and Attack of the Clones are better than Return of the Jedi and way, way better than any of the sequels. Attack of the Clones might be the worst movie I've seen. It's either that or when my parents made me take my sister to Spy Kids 2.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:29
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MJeff posted:Image is too big to paste here and I'm too lazy to resize it. Google Snoke Jedi Temple, you'll see it. Eh. Yeah not really buying it myself. Could explain how he got that nasty forehead divot though. You know, I like the vat of lovely Snoke clones. Makes sense. When you don't pay the Camino cloners and have to "maker" your own you have to go with whatever is even remotely viable. Unrelated thought: I never took the crowd in the auditorium for the ceremony for killing Palps as actually existing as anything other than projection.
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Horizon Burning posted:there's a mural on the floor of the temple with a face on it that looks very much like snoke. that plus the inexplicable name of 'first order' led to a theory that snoke was, in some way, related to the original jedi. The mural on the floor was more emblematic of the yin and yang symbol. No idea how you could see Snoke in that, lmao.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:31
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The Snoke mosaic reminds me of the Darth Jar Jar theory floating around for a while
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Dec 21, 2019 05:34
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I'm more concerned with where the hell he found the people to man that fleet than where the giant sith crowd came from.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:36
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Looks exactly like Snoke, I see it now. 
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Dec 21, 2019 05:36
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Bilirubin posted:The Snoke mosaic reminds me of the Darth Jar Jar theory floating around for a while So you're saying it owns, I agree.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:37
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teagone posted:Kennedy said George never wrote any screenplays. She did say he provided summaries of ideas he had in mind for other Star Wars movies, i.e., story treatments. Treatments are not scripts. They never used George's treatments and instead relied on Abrams and Ardnt to come up with the story for what would eventually become The Force Awakens. Kennedy also said making movies is hard because Star Wars didn't have any comic books or novels that could be adapted for such a thing. On the eve of releasing a movie that rehashes a Star Wars Comic/Novel.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:39
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2house2fly posted:It sounds kind of difficult to make a movie out of. Like if the villains are little microscopic beings, how do you have the characters beat them? Vaccine? Quarantine? Scientists in space suits? I mean, you never saw Outbreak or Contagion?
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Dec 21, 2019 05:41
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MJeff posted:I'm more concerned with where the hell he found the people to man that fleet than where the giant sith crowd came from. I'm not. I took the ships rising as an automation thing done by Palps as a sales job, then Kylo goes back and gathers up folks to fly the poo poo, and they are still getting it all sorted. Finding the old dude that I do not recognize to play NotThrawn that worked for the Emperor before was probably one way to get a lot of upper officers if they weren't already First Order. He was great I thought.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:43
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Bilirubin posted:I'm not. I took the ships rising as an automation thing done by Palps as a sales job, then Kylo goes back and gathers up folks to fly the poo poo, and they are still getting it all sorted. So they're flying in thousands of new crew for their fleet, but also it's a secret planet that you need a special compass to find?
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Onmi posted:Kennedy also said making movies is hard because Star Wars didn't have any comic books or novels that could be adapted for such a thing. On the eve of releasing a movie that rehashes a Star Wars Comic/Novel. Cool. I'm mostly just pointing out the difference between story treatments and scripts/screenplays because I've seen several goons mix up the two.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:44
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MJeff posted:So you're saying it owns, I agree. We gotta entertain ourselves somehow between movies
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:What about that sounds even remotely interesting or appealing to you? Honest question. a) it's something new, and after five movies of disney star wars anything that sounds new is gonna sound appealing b) i have a weakness for dumb psychic hippy bullshit in my space opera and that paragraph definitely qualifies c) i love the spite involved with lucas seeing nerds get real mad over such a throwaway detail as midichlorians in the prequels and going 'you know what? i'm gonna make them the main focus next time!'
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Angry Salami posted:So they're flying in thousands of new crew for their fleet, but also it's a secret planet that you need a special compass to find? Kylo already charted the path for them. See Rey doing the same for the rando flotilla
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Eifert Posting posted:Attack of the Clones might be the worst movie I've seen. It's either that or when my parents made me take my sister to Spy Kids 2. Anakin : [telling Padme about the Sand People] I... I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead... every single one of them. And not just the men. But the women... and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals! I HATE THEM! Padme(paraphrased): Oh, Annie! Wanton slaughter makes me sooooo hot for you! I still recall a bit from Legends of Tomorrow where the characters are under assault from the genetic copies of one of the other characters and Ray says, "This is the second worst attack of the clones I've ever seen."
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Saw it. Soooo much to unpack, but some initial thoughts... - loving hell the frenetic batshit pacing for the first half of the movie. Soooooo much stuff that could have been separate movies - the whole movie felt like it was pulled from a random set of old Dark Horse comics - Darth Voldemort was something. - speaking of Sheev, when they reveal hes back, nobody acted remotely surprised. At least some disbelief would have been nice to see, but everyone seemed to be like, "oh yeah, of course the space wizard killed at Endor is back with thousands of manned star destroyers with planet killer guns - why does a "Supreme Leader" need to go down and fight alongside his troops so often? - mcguffins! So many of them. The movie was 2/3rds a fetch quest series - the sequel trilogy did for Leia what the OT did for Luke, just not as impactful - I know the Force isnt real, but the "force dyad" poo poo and Reylo being able to transfer tangible items through time and space was weird - it will take Youtubers 3 years to name every godamn ship that showed up at the end If you read my spoiler'd text, you may be surprised to learn that I mostly enjoyed the movie. I'd rank it a little higher than the prequels, but the least of episodes 4 - 9.
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I just saw this movie and it was dogshit from the start when the end of the first paragraph of the title crawl spoiled itself, which is funny because the trailers ALSO spoiled that reveal but it's like they went out of their way to take any mystery of discovery out of the film even for people who avoid the surrounding media blitz. Having just watched A Marriage Story after missing most of Driver's other recent roles, I think he did okay given what he had, but wow this movie had the pace, lack of coherence, and stakes of a kid's show, which it IS, gently caress me
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Alright, let's go through my notes. This film never shuts up and it gave me an immense headache. It started off on the wrong foot with the first 15~20 minutes being incredibly rushed and choppy, and my mood only got worse from there. It's such a loving mess. It's not a fluke of the beginning either, the cinematography is nauseating throughout and I am not kidding about that headache. I think it was all the strobing that did it, I'm not even epileptic and that hurt me after a bit. Leia, holy poo poo. Talk about desecrating Carrie Fisher's memory. Everyone talked at, not with, Leia. Dialogue with her was so obviously inorganic and jarring that I just felt sorry for her all over again. That's the only thing that brought me near to tears in the movie - I'm ashamed on her behalf. I feel the need to apologize to her. You can really tell that this movie is actually two movies mashed together. Everything proceeds at breakneck speed and you don't have time to understand what the gently caress just happened before the situation changes dramatically. The script and story is complete penis, too. Lines are prequel-level cheesy. Characters make choices solely to advance the plot as needed. The Force is reduced to just Bullshit Incarnate that does whatever the plot needs to happen. e.g.: Rey's Force lightning, Rey vs. Ben via Force Bond, Finn's plot-sensitive Force premonitions (not Finn's Force sensitivity itself, that's fine). Don't get me started on the big points as we saw in the leaks. The film has no subtlety, it has no brain cells, it's just dire stupidity all the way. Zorri needs her own series. Get on it, Disney. Oh, the "heheeeeeey!!!" from Frik was funny as poo poo. I love Frik, he's my favorite character in the entire movie. God drat I love Frik. Nobody in the theater had any reaction whatsoever to the Rey-is-a-Palpatine reveal. I died laughing on the inside at Hux's fate. I'M THE SPY  and almost immediately afterwards gets shot by Pryde, I found the spy guys!!!!!!!!! They hosed him so goddamn hard. B-movie level hilarity.Leia's death is badly executed and it just comes off like they're trying to milk Carrie's real life death as hard as possible. Shameful. There is exactly one good scene in the movie, and it's when Ben has his hallucination of Han. The premise surrounding it is moronic (and I get that it's metaphorical), but divorced of that, the scene and especially the acting are genuinely great. Harrison Ford and Adam Driver are great actors, and I respect the hell out of them. "Dad..." "I know". drat. Hey, is it just me, or does the score suck some serious poo poo in this movie? Not only does it feel really weirdly timed, the movie is too noisy to let the score do its drat work - the music is meant to accentuate and highlight the scene, not get drowned out by PEW PEW KABOOM. And the orchestra only knew like two songs anyway, the Imperial March and the Force Theme. Lord, the Force Theme. I hate the Force Theme now. If I never hear the Force Theme again, it will be too soon. Also, what was the point of D-O knowing how to get to Exogol if Rey shows them how to get there anyway? Then some stupid garbage we all know about happens once we get to Exogol. Sigh. I just wanted to go home at this point. The near-wipeout during the big ship "battle" at the end is cheap as gently caress. ...but I did get a little excited when a shitload of ships showed up to the Main Theme. Just a little. Yoda's voice in the midst of all the Jedi voices caught me off guard and I laughed and the people next to me looked at me like dirt. gently caress them. Ben embracing dead Rey has all the energy of a basement dweller clutching his ruined realdoll. Theater reaction to the kiss: quote:Yo they're cousins! First Order SDs crumbling makes no sense, poor R2 has been ignored all this time, the audience looks so very tired, oh god they're some weird Jesus painting now, I regret this movie, I regret this movie, gently caress. gently caress.
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teagone posted:Looks exactly like Snoke, I see it now. It does look like a bulbous-headed alien. Maybe they were trying to evoke "grey aliens" or something, but I can totally see them throwing that in as a hint that Snoke is from some ancient race with a primal connection to the Force or what have you
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Dec 21, 2019 06:01
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I'm so tired of all these star wars.
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Dec 21, 2019 06:02
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Arglebargle III posted:I'm so tired of all these star wars. Well, suck it up, buttercup. The season finale of The Madalorian comes a week from now.
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Dec 21, 2019 06:03
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It's so loving insane that someone in a writer's room brainstorm said "what about a million billion star destroyers with death star lasers on each one" and instead of killing that person as politely as possible everyone else present just nodded thoughtfully
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Just announced by Disney, a new trilogy called Star Reconstruction! With its three subtitles: DeFirstOrderfication, WarCrimesTrials and InfrastructureAppropriations
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Pollyanna posted:This film never shuts up and it gave me an immense headache. It started off on the wrong foot with the first 15~20 minutes being incredibly rushed and choppy, and my mood only got worse from there. It's such a loving mess. It's not a fluke of the beginning either, the cinematography is nauseating throughout and I am not kidding about that headache. I think it was all the strobing that did it, I'm not even epileptic and that hurt me after a bit. Good post in general but holy gently caress I feel this. The first 20 minutes don't fit into the act structure in any way shape or form. It's like they took every beat that should have been in episode 2 and tossed them into a "previously on" segment. The edit is sort of tolerable in the middle, but as soon as we get to the sith planet gabbagool or whatever I have zero sense of what's happening anymore. I just need a god drat establishing shot holy gently caress. Oh wow, that palpatine robot wide shot is cool, why didn't they open with that? Wait, why did they cut to a loving stadium crowd? Are those people? Why isn't anything lit? Wait a second, they're directly below the battle? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF AN EXTERIOR ESTABLISHING WIDE SHOT JESUS CHRIST
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Pretty sad that they just did the first star wars again, but bad. I mean what do you expect from a soulless corporate conglomerate but on the other hand eugh. George Lucas should have held onto it.
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MJeff posted:lol so he was still a massive hack, what a shock. whatever feelings you may have about midichlorians, doubling down on them is pretty much the opposite of what a hack would do
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I think I personally enjoyed this movie more than Last Jedi, but that was mostly because I was able to spend most of the runtime laughing at how bad it was. boy howdy what a dumb film. e: The very first words of the opening crawl set my expectations for the rest of the film and oh boy it did not disappoint
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Its Chocolate posted:still thinking about how Star wars started as the rebels (brand new passion product from a young Hollywood outsider, unexpected success) and became the Empire (Disney slavishly reproducing hollow nostalgia and forcing movie theaters to show it on their terms) It’s like poetry...
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