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Leith Maclaine posted:Okay fine: I've already agreed that my phrasing was poor, and spelled out why earlier. It was a snap response to a claim that, at the time, hadn't had anything more that the claim to it. To me, the correct response of the entire thread to a lie detector claim is for every single person to make a post that the lue detector can choose, or not choose, to investigate.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 05:45 |
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2 penny bottle imp posted:What is the point of this? Really oddly specific thing to say. Doesn't clear you either. Could be SK with this, for example. It is more of a clear than I have the ability to kill and looking for a lie to come about. I'm not the one asking for it to be lie detected. I think asking to be lie detected on day 0 as Amnistar did doesn't make sense. But I am saying things in my discussion with him that could be checked by a lie detector since he is saying a direct faction claim couldn't be lie detected. I'll see if I can think of a better clear statement in the morning. But to be clear, I don't think the statement "I have the ability to kill people" and thinking it turning up as a lie will clear anything up.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 05:46 |
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im with gulag here
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 05:47 |
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GulagDolls posted:*grabs a machine gun and guns down this entire page* Sorry for derailing the game into this with my actions. I'll reread people pushing it tommorrow and see if anyone comes across as disingenuous to me. The actual lie detection part doesnt matter, but I gurantee that someone pushing against me right now is just doing so because it's easy, and not because they actually think I'm scum.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 05:47 |
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If there is a lie detector in this game, and as an aside I am not convinced there is, waiving a huge flag and saying lie detect this in order to get a false positive that could be explained away does not seem a good tactic. Amnistar now says his phrasing was poor. I am agreeing with Squiggly and think it was more than that.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 05:50 |
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Amnistar posted:Sorry for derailing the game into this with my actions. nep's case on imp was prety good for d1 stuff
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 05:50 |
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Leith Maclaine posted:If there is a lie detector in this g SHUT THUE gently caress U
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 05:50 |
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Going to sleep now to stop this chain for the time being. Everyone can breath a sigh of relief.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 05:51 |
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Leith Maclaine posted:Amnistar now says his phrasing was poor. Amnistar posted:Yea, I thought about the fact that execution can also be killing someone pater in the day, but the detection had been claimed to be used so I thought gently caress whatever.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 05:53 |
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GulagDolls posted:*grabs a machine gun and guns down this entire page* This is the towniest post in the thread
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 06:03 |
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Nep-Nep posted:This is the towniest post in the thread no this is: im town
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 06:04 |
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Mr. Steak posted:no this is: I tried used my metal detector on that statement. That statement contains no metal except for a soda can pulltab which took me like 2 minutes to sift out.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 06:14 |
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nep Nep. you’re skating on thin ice, rookie
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 10:24 |
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 10:25 |
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I am not Australian.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 12:31 |
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I read squig as legit in their stance. Leith feels forced to me, especially considering how long it took for the vote to come out. Neo's case on imp is very valid as well. I doubt both of them are scum though, and I'm more sold on leith.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 14:19 |
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Mr. Steak posted:i dont like it. risking a lie detect being used on your post is just about the safest gambit a scum can make. first of all the lie detector claim was transparently false anyway, but even if it wasnt, who would even think its likely for the person to use their presumably 1-shot power on day 1 at all? as someone who, as you know, recently modded a game with a lie detector role in it, i know how eager scum are to post pretending they want to get tested, because the risk is so low for the amount of town cred it gives you. and besides that game, my only other experience with the role even being mentioned, was of course a moment i'll never forget in avengers mafia, when the soon-to-be-dunked sk taste was begging for "if there's a lie detector, test me that im not scum". so no i very much do not read amni's response as townie. lol i disagree with like every part of this post, especially given that amni's post was fairly unambiguous unlike your example of a SK trying to get lie detected as not scum, this doesn't take into account Amni's actual provided justification of trying to get a FALSE result which would, again, be perfectly unambiguous. The fact that 2bit imp agrees with this is another mark against them.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 17:22 |
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I'm moving my vote back to ##vote tuppence djinni, they keep ignoring my pointed requests for taking firm stances in a way that's pinging me. They dropped this weak shade and never actually expanded it into a real read:2 penny bottle imp posted:Yeah kind of funny that my vote got so much traction from semi-lurkers. Also, they were so intent on Gulag, and then when the narrative tide shifted against Amnistar, they dropped a vote. They haven't even mentioned their reads on Gulag again after being so comically intent on them early on - feels like scum backing away from bait that nobody bit on. Take a look at how they build up to their vote on Amnistar: 2 penny bottle imp posted:No, I read it as a claim of vig, paranoid gun owner, or similar (or fakeclaim of same). Doesn't read as scum / SK to me. 2 penny bottle imp posted:Let me clarify here - it doesn't read as a scum claim to me. It does read as not a great townie move. [in response to Amnistar doing a big list/read post] 2 penny bottle imp posted:Seems like a scummy post to me. Lots of opinions, but included within is praise for mr. steak and me, both of whom disliked the nightkilling softclaim. This is a really weird reason to call someone scummy! This is the part that really boggles me - check out this conversational progression: Amnistar posted:People I think are not town: Mr. Humalong posted:Your read of gulag is not great. This is the most I’ve seen out of Gulag wrt stating opinions in a long time 2 penny bottle imp posted:Agreed with this as well. Gonna go ahead and ##vote Amnistar. In short, Imp is finally voting Amnistar for their scumread on Gulag - after Imp staunchly had a vote on Gulag for most of the early part of D1 and even confirmed it was a serious vote.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 17:30 |
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Amnistar posted:I made it as a snap post in response to someone claiming to have the ability to detect lies. I figured that there would be limitations to alignment posts, so I though, what is the best way to clear up that you're not on a team opposing town. That involves nightkills so I posted that I can kill people. Like, again, I cannot emphasize enough how townie the progression around the lie detector claim is for Amnistar. Their post came immediately after Birb's: Bernstrike posted:I have a lie detector Amnistar posted:I have the ability to kill people. Amnistar posted:Not sure if legit claiming and if you have any restrictions, but I'm fine putting that down, just in case. The ONLY way that I see this shaking out differently is if Amni and Birb are scum together and coordinated this somehow, but that's far enough out there Occam's Razor says I'm discarding it for now. I would completely and fully expect scum to waffle or think about how to game it rather than just instantly dropping that with an expectation of a FALSE result. People banging on about how this "wastes" a lie detector usage are talking nonsense, clearing someone as town (or at least a non-killing role) is perfectly valid. Dumb reason to be pushing Amni.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 17:34 |
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Leith Maclaine posted:Mr. Steak - They haven't made a mistake yet and that is very un steak like.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 17:37 |
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Leith Maclaine posted:Your statement was This is a really dumb rabbit hole to go down, I advise you to stop focusing so hard on it and think about who the scum are. Again, look at timing - do you think that Amni went through this entire thought process and posted their lie detector claim within a minute of birb posting it?
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 17:41 |
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Amnistar posted:I read squig as legit in their stance. Leith feels forced to me, especially considering how long it took for the vote to come out. I'm not a fan of Squiggly focusing on one tiny point out of everything else and not engaging with much else in the thread. How do you feel about Paul RFS?
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 17:41 |
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Capturing this interesting vote split for later consideration: Votecount for Day 1 Amnistar (4): Squiggly, 2 penny bottle imp, Bernstrike, Leith Maclaine GulagDolls (3): Amnistar, 2 penny bottle imp, Dancer, 2 penny bottle imp (3): Bernstrike, GulagDolls, Podima, Bernstrike (2): Bernstrike, Leith Maclaine (2): Amnistar, Mr. Humalong, Nep-Nep, Squiggly (1): Podima, Anomalous Amalgam, Paul ReiserFS (0): GulagDolls, Nep-Nep (0): Sandwolf, Hal Incandenza (0): Anomalous Amalgam, Mr. Humalong (0): GulagDolls, Mr. Steak (0): Mr. Humalong, Sandwolf (0): Bernstrike, Podima (0): Amnistar, Not Voting (1): Sandwolf With 16 alive, it's 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is December 21st, 2019 at 11:59 p.m. CST -- that's in about 13 hours, 15 minutes.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 17:43 |
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Podima posted:I'm not a fan of Squiggly focusing on one tiny point out of everything else and not engaging with much else in the thread. I dont understand how they can think someone posting reads of people is a bad thing day 1. I think they are wrong, but I dont think they are disenenious in their stance.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 17:48 |
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I won’t vote Amnistar today.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 19:36 |
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Leith Maclaine posted:If there is a lie detector in this game, and as an aside I am not convinced there is, waiving a huge flag and saying lie detect this in order to get a false positive that could be explained away does not seem a good tactic. Okay buddy we never agree You just shot up on my scumdar
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 20:46 |
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Podima posted:I'm not a fan of Squiggly focusing on one tiny point out of everything else and not engaging with much else in the thread. I show up late, find something legit scummy, and you're upset there's not more to comment on day 1 This is loving weak
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 20:49 |
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Squiggly posted:Okay buddy we never agree Far be it for me to think you made a reasonable case. I apologize for daring to think you made sense for once. Won't make that mistake again.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 20:53 |
This has been some of the most intense white noise posting over a D1
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 21:11 |
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Podima posted:I'm moving my vote back to ##vote tuppence djinni, they keep ignoring my pointed requests for taking firm stances in a way that's pinging me. I don't like giving opinions on people I dont have opinions on. Day 1 is too early for mass lists of how you feel about everyone. Allows fake connections to be made too easily in future days. quote:
Nah, I gave multiple reasons for the vote. It's day 1. Don't try too hard to build the Theory of Everything.
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 21:40 |
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2 penny bottle imp posted:I don't like giving opinions on people I dont have opinions on. Day 1 is too early for mass lists of how you feel about everyone. Allows fake connections to be made too easily in future days. it also holds them accountable for opinions, which in the case of scum are faked. its a good thing for opinions to be documented. i agree with you that d1 is too early to have useful opinions on *everybody* but as long as a list includes a handful of entries that read "i dont know yet" i literally dont see a problem with it. and if you're trying to say that making a list of opinions is worse than giving opinions on nobody at all, then... hmm
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 21:50 |
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Sandwolf posted:This has been some of the most intense white noise posting over a D1 I was just catching up and totally felt the same way
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 22:15 |
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With 8 hours to go I’m going to vote the leader I feel the worst about. I think most of the votes on Amni are incredibly disingenuous at best, and I don’t have a scum read of gulag at this point, so ##vote cheap imp
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 22:30 |
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Hal Incandenza posted:I was just catching up and totally felt the same way Games I didn't realize Hal was in for 200, Alex
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 22:56 |
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Mr. Humalong posted:With 8 hours to go I’m going to vote the leader I feel the worst about. I think most of the votes on Amni are incredibly disingenuous at best, and I don’t have a scum read of gulag at this point, so ##vote cheap imp Why is voting the scummiest thing posted today disingenuous?
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 22:57 |
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Squiggly posted:Games I didn't realize Hal was in for 200, Alex I didn't know you were here either! Great to see you buddy!
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 23:35 |
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Squiggly posted:Why is voting the scummiest thing posted today disingenuous? I mean it's totally possible that people don't think Amni "lying" was quite what you are making it out to be. I guess I'm not seeing why you would be so sold on this read
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# ? Dec 21, 2019 23:38 |
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Votecount for Day 1 Amnistar (4): Squiggly, 2 penny bottle imp, Bernstrike, Leith Maclaine 2 penny bottle imp (4): Bernstrike, GulagDolls, Podima, GulagDolls (3): Amnistar, 2 penny bottle imp, Dancer, Bernstrike (2): Bernstrike, Squiggly (1): Podima, Anomalous Amalgam, Leith Maclaine (1): Amnistar, Mr. Humalong, Nep-Nep, Paul ReiserFS (0): GulagDolls, Nep-Nep (0): Sandwolf, Hal Incandenza (0): Anomalous Amalgam, Mr. Humalong (0): GulagDolls, Mr. Steak (0): Mr. Humalong, Sandwolf (0): Bernstrike, Podima (0): Amnistar, Not Voting (1): Sandwolf With 16 alive, it's 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is December 21st, 2019 at 11:59 p.m. CST -- that's in about 6 hours, 26 minutes. Deadline is hard - I'll be here for it! Please submit your night actions to me within 24 hours or the end of day (or they will be forfeit). They can be sent via SA PM or - preferably - recorded in your Discord journals.
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# ? Dec 22, 2019 00:34 |
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##vote bern
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# ? Dec 22, 2019 00:35 |
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Case on Amni is the weird lie detector role stuff right? What’s the case on imp?
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# ? Dec 22, 2019 00:36 |