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barkbell posted:Why do the new movies and this one in particular treat droids like people. I don't remember 3p0 and r2 being treated much more than a favorite car or toaster. They had human-like emotions and banter but that was for the audience to hear because the main characters just ignored it. Now 3p0 has to sacrifice himself but it really doesn't matter because it's a machine and can just be repaired like he has in every other movie he gets dismantled. Maybe the characters are realising that droids have been people all along
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I like to imagine every plot hole in this movie can be explained if you imagine Palpatine Jr to be a Hunter Biden-level failson who keeps throwing the galaxy into chaos.
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No Mods No Masters posted:Adam driver was so committed to the romance that he was willing to go topless. Now that's dedication He just desperately wanted a new fictional girlfriend after Hannah Horvath. After TFA I kept hoping that Snoke's look was a fake hologram and that the real Snoke would be played by Lena Dunham. Everyone fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Having just seen this last night, after rewatching TFA and TLJ before, I'm stuck on how, for lack of a better word, "cargo culty" the setting feels now. There's are beats in this movie and TFA that don't make sense unless you know what they are mimicking from the originals. Like the destruction of the 7 planets of the new republic in TFA. Superficially similar to destroying Alderaan, but bigger and therefore sadder! Except there's no connection to the characters to make the deaths have impact, and afterwards they are quickly forgotten and never brought up again. In fact death as a whole, while always a little loose in Star Wars, has essentially no impact or meaning at all anymore. It wants to be sad or horrifying, but whether it's a main character or a planet full of nameless casualties, they have the same effect on the characters, which is to say none. It all feels unreal, like watching some bad YouTube sketch that's just pop culture references with no actual story. I watch these movies mostly because I like dissecting stories seeing what could have been better or what got lost through the corporate filmmaking process. TLJ tried to be a little clever with it by trying to directly undermine this central plot of an eternal struggle against an continuously changing pseudofascist enemy, but it was hamfisted and included lots of useless sidetracking for a very muddled message. But the sucking nullity at the core of this new series is shocking to me.
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If there's anything we have been able to agree on in these threads, it's that jakku is tatooine. But also, secondarily, that droids are definitely people
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barkbell posted:Why do the new movies and this one in particular treat droids like people. I don't remember 3p0 and r2 being treated much more than a favorite car or toaster. They had human-like emotions and banter but that was for the audience to hear because the main characters just ignored it. Now 3p0 has to sacrifice himself but it really doesn't matter because it's a machine and can just be repaired like he has in every other movie he gets dismantled. oh no
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Brother Entropy posted:it's probably because they're people Yeah, R2-D2 and and C3P0 were always main characters wtf
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cuntman.net posted:oh no Look, God-dammit, if Terminator Arnie can marry a woman and raise a child (out of basically boredom, it seemed) then 3-PO and R2 can be people. Honestly the Star Wars folks should start treating their droids better before the Cylons from the universe next door decide to come over there and kick some furniture around.
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It's funny to me that in this universe using the force for video communication, an easily available existing technology in universe, loving kills you, but using it to lift tons of stuff or shoot infinity lightning had no consequences on your body (unless someone reflects that poo poo back on you)
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Droids are people, but Wookies definitely aren't and are just unfeeling furry automatons that you can oppress without guilt. Chewie is Han's equivalent of a teddy bear because he's a giant manchild.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:23
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No Mods No Masters posted:If there's anything we have been able to agree on in these threads, it's that jakku is tatooine. But also, secondarily, that droids are definitely people Even battledroids?
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Shaocaholica posted:Even battledroids? Roger-roger.
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"Even soldiers?"
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Shaocaholica posted:Even battledroids? People whose situation is played for comedy or menace or both, but people nevertheless.
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barkbell posted:Why do the new movies and this one in particular treat droids like people. I don't remember 3p0 and r2 being treated much more than a favorite car or toaster. They had human-like emotions and banter but that was for the audience to hear because the main characters just ignored it. Now 3p0 has to sacrifice himself but it really doesn't matter because it's a machine and can just be repaired like he has in every other movie he gets dismantled. It's pretty universal through all of Star Wars that the protagonists treat droids like people, which gets even stronger in the animation with droid-centric episodes and more room to develop the idea. Only people portrayed as dipshits like Watto or Lars and Beru or villains don't and ignore them or treat them as slaves. No Mods No Masters posted:If there's anything we have been able to agree on in these threads, it's that jakku is tatooine. Of course, that's why Rey goes back there at the very end.
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Dec 23, 2019 19:32
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What a massacre then when a Anikin took out the command ship. Not to mention all non combat crew onboard.
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Shaocaholica posted:What a massacre then when a Anikin took out the command ship. Not to mention all non combat crew onboard. like father, like son
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Shaocaholica posted:Even battledroids? Yeah, they're just extremely dumb people.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:It's funny to me that in this universe using the force for video communication, an easily available existing technology in universe, loving kills you, but using it to lift tons of stuff or shoot infinity lightning had no consequences on your body (unless someone reflects that poo poo back on you) Palpatine destroyed a fleet with force lightning and it didn’t kill him. Luke teleconferences and dies lol.
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Darko posted:It's pretty universal through all of Star Wars that the protagonists treat droids like people, which gets even stronger in the animation with droid-centric episodes and more room to develop the idea. Only people portrayed as dipshits like Watto or Lars and Beru or villains don't and ignore them or treat them as slaves. the hook in anh literally starts with the sale of droids and luke soon regrets taking the shackles off of them
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Let’s not forget Microsoft lobotomized Tay.
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Raccooon posted:Palpatine destroyed a fleet with force lightning and it didn’t kill him. Luke teleconferences and dies lol. He didn't destroy them though. He EMPs then but only temporarily, because not one of them crashes.
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celewign posted:I think for nerds like me we want to see a battle that feels thought out and real with ships using tactics to defeat their enemies. The battle in RoTS doesn't feel real to me, it's like 12 fighters and a Corvette against 1000 star destroyers. They would get overwhelmed instantly given the way previous movies show that force imbalance turning out. It's silly and the lack of realism given the rules set up in previous movies makes my brain think "huh?". It takes me out of the movie. It's like a JJ Abrams trope as well, so it's doubly frustrating. Yeah, same. TLJ had some promise, but I really wanted to see Master & Commander in space and I didn't get it. I'm annoyed that the First Order Star Destroyers never did anything besides shoot down one TIE fighter.
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thrawn527 posted:I posted this in the other thread, but apparently that comic wasn’t even trying to say that. Once again, I am vindicated for ignoring some nerd making wild claims about what they read on a placemat.
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Luke's a liberal who's relatively nice to droids but would never fight for their freedom. IMO Solo made the situation worse by actually bringing up the issue only to not give it any weight.
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Raccooon posted:Palpatine destroyed a fleet with force lightning and it didn’t kill him. Luke teleconferences and dies lol. Think about how much energy it would take to build a real-time 5G connection between here and, say, ULAS J0015+1. Force Lightning is easy compared to that poo poo.
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barkbell posted:the hook in anh literally starts with the sale of droids and luke soon regrets taking the shackles off of them Yep, and every movie makes a pointed effort that show that protagonists take their time to acknowledge or show compassion to droids. Even Han Solo treats C3PO as a person, he just thinks he's annoying as hell. The prequels specifically show Padme as sympathetic to droids to establish her character, Anakin creates C3PO and is similar to R2 as Luke is, and even Obi Wan is sad when his astromech gets blown up. The analogy of clones and droids in the prequels (and brought out in expansions) is pretty good too, as they both view themselves as individuals and grow separately outside of their programming.
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Groovelord Neato posted:What. It's Return of the Jedi. Rey finds out she's from an evil lineage and the Emperor tries to tempt her by showing all her friends are in trouble in a giant space battle. In ROTJ Luke already knows he's from an evil lineage, he's made his peace with it, and he's confronting the emperor in a gamble to redeem his bloodline and save his dad. Discovering that she's a Palpatine, trying to quit being a jedi and then going to Palpatine to face him down is pretty different from all that. Not radically different but there's a lot of TLJ and TFA that are like traced right over their respective OT movies. For everything TLJ does to be different Luke and Reys subplot plays out almost exactly like Luke's time on Dagobah. Only instead of an honery muppet who has a bad student it's a good student who has an honery bad teacher.
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Everyone posted:Think about how much energy it would take to build a real-time 5G connection between here and, say, ULAS J0015+1. Force Lightning is easy compared to that poo poo. But they literally have those real time connections in universe. Vader can even force choke you over one
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TheKingofSprings posted:Why do you do poo poo like this in every thread I see you post in? stop being mad
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John Wick of Dogs posted:C-3P0 is the last Skywalker
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Palpatine is Anakin's dad in the most biological manner possible. Palpatine cums, this is canon now. It still remains to be seen if Palpatine fucks, though.
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Darko posted:Yep, and every movie makes a pointed effort that show that protagonists take their time to acknowledge or show compassion to droids. honestly i dont know what you are talking about, its obvious uve consumed way more star wars media than me ive only seen movies but 3p0 disappears in cloud city and no one really notices until chewie finds him dismantled. everyone is like aw shucks the toaster broke and are far more concerned with the implication that something fishy is going on and not some true loss of a friend
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They treat it like he has an inconvenient injury, because that is what it is.
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I don't really want to enter the placemat zone too badly here. But even if that comic is disregarded isn't the darth plagueis book where sheev and plagueis try to impregnate the force and it causes a backlash which creates anakin, or whatever, still canon?
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Stairmaster posted:stop being mad When I stop bleeding internally I will stop being mad
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John Wick of Dogs posted:But they literally have those real time connections in universe. Vader can even force choke you over one Using an existing connection is presumably easier than building one from scratch. Or Luke and Leia botched their "Use Force" rolls and the backlash killed them. I'm at the who-gives-a-gently caress stage on that question at this point. Really, I'm at the who-gives-a-gently caress stage on most of Star Wars in general. I'm looking forward to the end of The Mandalorian this Friday so I can stop thinking about it for a few months.
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Every single bad thing in both the prequels and sequels is a result of someone trying to be meta or trying to be something more than a slightly more serious Flash Gordon serial for tweens. Also Lawrence Kasdan post-OT is a major hack and should have stayed in Hollywood exile after Dreamcatcher.
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ungulateman posted:They treat it like he has an inconvenient injury, because that is what it is. so why the change in reaction when 3p0 is going to have to reformat his hard drive and get restored from backup
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